When is jeff green going to get it?

[JohnBagleyValueMeal]

For comparison, Marquis Daniels stats per 36 minutes this season vs Jeff Green's since coming to the C's.


Marquis per 36 mp:

4.4 FGM/ 8.9 FGA = .491 FG%
.2 3PtM/.8 3PtA = .191 3PFG%
1.5 FTA/2.2 FTA = .684 FT%
.9 ORB + 3.4 DRB = 4.3 TRB
2.5 AST
1.5 STL
.8 BLK
1.5 TO
2.4 PF
10.8 PTS

Jeff Green / 36 MP (as a Celtic):
6.2FGM/11.9 FGA = .517 FG%
0.73PtM/1.8 3PtA= .381 3Pt%
2.9FTM/3.8FTA= .761 FT%
.8 ORB +  2.9 DRB = 3.8 TRB
.8 AST
.8 STL
.9 BLK
1.4 TO    
4.4 PF    
16.0 PTS


Green has shot a percentage well above his career average so far (Green's got a career FG% of .44). He's provided more points, gets to the line more, and hits the three better.

At the same time, Green's rebounding this year has been worse than Quis's was (a smaller guy who never played at the 4). The assist numbers are lower but that's to be expected--Quis was primary ballhander in some games. Quis also has the edge in steals (no real surprise) and about even in blocks (that is surprising, considering the height difference). Green fouls twice as much, which is probably reflective of Green not adapting to the defense quickly enough, as well as his tendency to foul in the post.

[LB3533]

Jeff Green is not the problem, he will, however, be part of the solution come playoff time.

I remember, every playoff, we had not seen anything good from Eddie House or Nate Robinson and they provided a spark for us in the playoffs.

Green is going to provide a spark 100 fold come playoff time.

[Eja117]

Baby being a hog isn't making Ray or KG or PP or Rondo disappear like a Harry Potter invisibility cloak.

When you trade one of the better young players in the league it usually doesn't take a month for them to get it. The laws of physics don't change in the game. If you had trade Rondo his third year in the league to some team he would have still been a good player. Jeff Green has dropped off the face of the Earth.  He looks completely lost like a nobody out there. And in the mean time James Harden has played phenomenally since Green left.

Maybe Green is waiting to flip a switch, but I doubt it

[dysgenic]

Zero rebounds the other night in 20 minutes.  Six foot nine, go get the ball to get your offense going.

[birdwatcher]

Baby being a hog isn't making Ray or KG or PP or Rondo disappear like a Harry Potter invisibility cloak.

When you trade one of the better young players in the league it usually doesn't take a month for them to get it. The laws of physics don't change in the game. If you had trade Rondo his third year in the league to some team he would have still been a good player. Jeff Green has dropped off the face of the Earth.  He looks completely lost like a nobody out there. And in the mean time James Harden has played phenomenally since Green left.
Maybe Green is waiting to flip a switch, but I doubt it

The kid averaged 14pts & 5.5rebs for his career playing with Durant & then Westbrook later...I guess he flipped the switch off? Or is there really no switch? The games he played well in you could see he was getting it, some of these other games I barely saw him touch the ball. When he's in at the 4 he's there to stretch the floor, which is why we always see him standing around the perimeter, not rebounding. If he was on the blocks on offense (which he's pretty solid with his back to the basket) you'd probably see his pts & rbs go up. When he's facing the basket, he can be good, but I prefer him posting up and running hard on the break (the kid can run and has good hands). I think he needs more minutes, more touches.

[wdleehi]

I think he will end up being packaged in a Trade down the line

I wouldn't be surprised at all by that.

Frankly, I would not be surprised if every member of this team is gone in 2 years, other than maybe Pierce (yes, that includes Rondo).

I like Green, but the more I see of him, the more I am convinced he will never be anything more than a solid rotation player...but I also think he is destined to get overpaid on his next contract, and I am not sure if it will be by Danny. 

That has been my belief for a while.


Sign and trade going into 2012 along with the two 1st rounders in an effort to get a new star. 

[mc34]

I actually thought Green has been really solid for us up until the last few games, minus the San Antonio game. In that game he didn't have very impressive stats, but he was making a nice impact off the bench. I still think he's just trying to figure out this team... He still looks a little lost in the team defense and he's not getting the ball enough on offense. I still think that he'll come up big for us in the playoffs.

[Roy H.]

The kid averaged 14pts & 5.5rebs for his career playing with Durant & then Westbrook later...I guess he flipped the switch off?

Honestly, 14 points in 34 minutes per game isn't that impressive.  It suggests a player more at Ricky Davis' level, rather than Paul Pierce's.  He should be fine for our bench, I just don't understand the folks projecting him to be a star.

[LB3533]

The kid averaged 14pts & 5.5rebs for his career playing with Durant & then Westbrook later...I guess he flipped the switch off?

Honestly, 14 points in 34 minutes per game isn't that impressive.  It suggests a player more at Ricky Davis' level, rather than Paul Pierce's.  He should be fine for our bench, I just don't understand the folks projecting him to be a star.

If there was no Durant and just Westbrook and Green, those 14 PPG would be closer to 20 PPG.

14 PPG as a 3rd option is pretty good when you play with volume shooters such as Durant and Westbrook.

[Roy H.]

If there was no Durant and just Westbrook and Green, those 14 PPG would be closer to 20 PPG.

Maybe.  Or maybe defenses would focus on Green rather than Durant, and those 14 PPG would be 15 PPG at a lower efficiency.  I personally don't see him as the star scorer that a lot of folks do; I think he's a decent player who would be an average -- rather than star -- starter.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Or is he being totally misused by doc? He has had 3 or 4 good games, but in my opinion, he has been close to a Bust so far. One of the most passive players I have ever see. I don't see great potential, but hope I am wrong.

Doc's not using him right -- namely, he's not using him enough. Just like Doc's misusing Baby by using him too much. And if Green's being passive, he's probably just following the example shown to him by the starters -- you know, Rondo (until the last two games) refusing to penetrate, Baby jacking jumpers instead of going inside, KG hardly ever posting up.

[Cinzilla]

Jeff Green wasn't efficient as a 3rd option, even with Durant and Westbrook getting all the attention and him being defended by much slower players.

OKC without Durant? In that case, Harden would become their 2nd best scorer and Green would still be a 3rd option - just in a 20/30 wins team. Maybe a 18ppg player... but an even more inefficient one.

With the Celtics he's being more efficient because he's playing more as a role-player as he doesn't have to construct his shots so often (barely ever).

Anyone who believes he can be an effective (prolific and efficient) top-3 option in a good team is extremely delusional.

The idea that he isn't being used enough is bogus. His usage rate is 20.1%, which is 4th in the team, below Pierce, Garnett, Glen Davis. He uses more possessions than Ray Allen. In fact, he should be used less.

Finally, the biggest knock on Jeff Green during his AAU days playing for Curtis Malone was for being... too passive. He was too passive in college and during his entire NBA career. He's a soft and timid player and has always been. Blaming Rondo or Garnett or Doc Rivers for his playing ethos is beyond absurd.

[LooseCannon]

Honestly, 14 points in 34 minutes per game isn't that impressive.  It suggests a player more at Ricky Davis' level, rather than Paul Pierce's.  He should be fine for our bench, I just don't understand the folks projecting him to be a star.

According to basketball-reference.com, there are 14 players with 13.0-15.0ppg in 32.0-36.0mpg:

Lamar Odom
Elton Brand
Steve Nash    
Kyle Lowry    
Andre Miller    
Beno Udrih    
Mike Conley
D.J. Augustin    
Jrue Holiday
Andrew Bogut
Jeff Green
John Salmons
Anthony Morrow
Tayshaun Prince

It is left to the reader to draw conclusions from that list.

[Roy H.]

Honestly, 14 points in 34 minutes per game isn't that impressive.  It suggests a player more at Ricky Davis' level, rather than Paul Pierce's.  He should be fine for our bench, I just don't understand the folks projecting him to be a star.

According to basketball-reference.com, there are 14 players with 13.0-15.0ppg in 32.0-36.0mpg:

Lamar Odom
Elton Brand
Steve Nash    
Kyle Lowry    
Andre Miller    
Beno Udrih    
Mike Conley
D.J. Augustin    
Jrue Holiday
Andrew Bogut
Jeff Green
John Salmons
Anthony Morrow
Tayshaun Prince

It is left to the reader to draw conclusions from that list.

In part, that's because most teams don't play guys who contribute nothing but mediocre scoring that many minutes.  Almost all of the guys on that list contribute something to their team that goes beyond scoring.  With the point guards, it's running the offense and assists.  With guys like Odom, Bogut and Brand, it's rebounding.  A guy like Tayshaun Prince is a defensive specialistm while Morrow is an elite floor-stretcher.  Green is about as good as John Salmons -- um, yay?  I wouldn't trade Perk for John Salmons, either.

Green is a one-dimensional scorer who doesn't score that well.  When you're below average at defense, rebounding (at the small forward position), and passing, I expect more than the 147th best scoring per minute in the NBA.

[KobeShesNotConsenting!]

Honestly, 14 points in 34 minutes per game isn't that impressive.  It suggests a player more at Ricky Davis' level, rather than Paul Pierce's.  He should be fine for our bench, I just don't understand the folks projecting him to be a star.

According to basketball-reference.com, there are 14 players with 13.0-15.0ppg in 32.0-36.0mpg:

Lamar Odom
Elton Brand
Steve Nash    
Kyle Lowry    
Andre Miller    
Beno Udrih    
Mike Conley
D.J. Augustin    
Jrue Holiday
Andrew Bogut
Jeff Green
John Salmons
Anthony Morrow
Tayshaun Prince

It is left to the reader to draw conclusions from that list.

In part, that's because most teams don't play guys who contribute nothing but mediocre scoring that many minutes.  Almost all of the guys on that list contribute something to their team that goes beyond scoring.  With the point guards, it's running the offense and assists.  With guys like Odom, Bogut and Brand, it's rebounding.  A guy like Tayshaun Prince is a defensive specialistm while Morrow is an elite floor-stretcher.  Green is about as good as John Salmons -- um, yay?  I wouldn't trade Perk for John Salmons, either.

Green is a one-dimensional scorer who doesn't score that well.  When you're below average at defense, rebounding (at the small forward position), and passing, I expect more than the 147th best scoring per minute in the NBA.

Absolutely wrong. Green has lots of potential and has a chance to really develop over the next coupler years.