Thank you Danny Ainge for ruining this season

[Rondo No Look]

There was no guarantee that we were going to win the title... and we'll still go deep into the playoffs so I don't see how this has ruined the season. For me, I think it's given me something to talk about.

Making the Finals was all but a given.  Miami and Chicago were simply not as talented as us and we proved that.  Chicago has now beaten us head-to-head and in the record race with Miami approaching quickly

making the finals was a given pre trade until they trade the guy that hadnt played all season? that makes zero sense

[bbd24]

If I really want to cry about Perkins, heck, I'll package up the C's future pick combined with the Clipper 1st rounder and grab someone far better than King Perk.

If something "far better" was available for the Clippers pick and a future #1, why didn't OKC make that deal, rather than giving up Green (as I recall, a far better player than Perk in his own right?)

Because all they had was Ibaka.  They didn't have KG, BBD, Shaq, J.O.  They desperately needed another big who could start.  Thats why their paying him 9M per.  The C's don't have to do that.  They can add a vet like Shaq to the lineup and not miss a beat.

You can make trades like the one Danny did when you have a core 4 the likes of Rondo, Allen, Pierce, and KG.

And yes, Green is the best player in the deal. No question.  But again, knowing Ainge, he'll package his pick and the Clipper pick and that will probably be the best player out of the bunch, including Green.  Helluva move by DA

[Mazingerz]

Wow, basing on the title alone im pretty sure this is a bash-up.

Bowling over Perk, over nate, over gody.

Guys, get over it.

Let me ask you one question, if you were DA what would have you done given the same situation?

Let's chill until the playoffs people

[PosImpos]

2) Pro-Green trade people, you do understand that if the Celtics do not win the Championship, you lose the argument?  Ainge will probably get fired, Doc will leave and most likely end up coaching the Heat (were he will win another title or two), Perk will have several opportunities to win a title in OKC and the Perkins trade will go down as the worst mistake in Boston-sports franchise history.  Yes even worse than Babe Ruth, he wasn't about to win a Championship when he got moved.

No, I don't "understand" that.

If the Celtics don't win the championship, all it means is that they didn't win the championship.  If it turns out they don't win it all after the trade, it doesn't confirm that they would have won it before the trade.  That was not a given, foregone conclusion.

While I am not gonna throw this season out the door just yet, I would like to make two simple comments.

1)  The OP has a right to feel disenfranchised by the Perkins trade.  You can spit shine the deal all you want but the Celtics did "lose" something valuable in this trade.  Again, team chemistry means more than having a young player to help rebuild and in addition, Jeff Green is NOT Kobe Bryant.  So it goes both ways.

2) Pro-Green trade people, you do understand that if the Celtics do not win the Championship, you lose the argument?  Ainge will probably get fired, Doc will leave and most likely end up coaching the Heat (were he will win another title or two), Perk will have several opportunities to win a title in OKC and the Perkins trade will go down as the worst mistake in Boston-sports franchise history.  Yes even worse than Babe Ruth, he wasn't about to win a Championship when he got moved.

I do hope all you Green people are correct, but man if Green doesn't work out or Shaq and JO cannot find a way off the disabled list and help in the playoffs, you guys look foolish.

This is terrible reasoning, even with Perkins there was no guarentee we get back to the Finals let alone win a title.

No  matter how this season turns out Ainge won't be fired. Ownership puts too much trust and credit in him for building a contender for the past four years. Which is exactly the right view to take from an ownership group.

You know, although I completely disagree with Acumens logic, the truth of the matter is that most everyone will judge the trade that way; and it is quite unfair.

But basically, I see exactly what DA saw.  Not only was there no guarantee that the Celts would have returned to the finals (much less win it), but I don't think we would have gotten there.  The hole on the wings was simply too big. 

Not only would PP and Ray have turned to dust by the end of the season, but the imoportant match ups in the east were not in our favor.  Who did we have that could remotely help against lebron and wade?  Or even kobe if we got that far?

I agree with what Fafnir and droopdog said.

[Silent Storm]

A lot of people are quick to gripe and complain by pointing out apparent issues but they don't suggest a feasible solution for them, so what's the point? Saying we would have been better off without the trade is purely hypothetical and right now the starters are missing clutch shots and free throws when before that rarely happened. They can't string together 4 strong quarters right now, the play is inconsistent and there are too many lapses late in games. That doesn't mean the trend won't shift and that all this negativity will be buried.

[homericepisode]

A lot of people are quick to gripe and complain by pointing out apparent issues but they don't suggest a feasible solution for them, so what's the point? Saying we would have been better off without the trade is purely hypothetical and right now the starters are missing clutch shots and free throws when before that rarely happened. They can't string together 4 strong quarters right now, the play is inconsistent and there are too many lapses late in games. That doesn't mean the trend won't shift and that all this negativity will be buried.

Thoughtful post, and I agree. One thing that is not hypothetical: if Perk wasn't traded, he still would have been out for two weeks, leaving Semih as the only "healthy" Center on our team. We'd be struggling to keep pace for the second/third seed either way, as Nate went down with an injury, Semih needs/needed surgery and Harangody wasn't talented enough to win any games for us. And all the while there would be zero rest for Pierce, Ray & KG, which is still part of the problem. The starters basically have no legs left, and at this point we're better off resting them when we can instead of fighting for a playoff seeding. To be honest, at this point I wouldn't care if we dropped down to the 4 seed and played the Hawks. They're a jump shooting team that's one of the worst in the league at getting to the line, so interior defense may not be as much of a thorn for the C's in that series.

[birdwatcher]

A lot of people are quick to gripe and complain by pointing out apparent issues but they don't suggest a feasible solution for them, so what's the point? Saying we would have been better off without the trade is purely hypothetical and right now the starters are missing clutch shots and free throws when before that rarely happened. They can't string together 4 strong quarters right now, the play is inconsistent and there are too many lapses late in games. That doesn't mean the trend won't shift and that all this negativity will be buried.

Thoughtful post, and I agree. One thing that is not hypothetical: if Perk wasn't traded, he still would have been out for two weeks, leaving Semih as the only "healthy" Center on our team. We'd be struggling to keep pace for the second/third seed either way, as Nate went down with an injury, Semih needs/needed surgery and Harangody wasn't talented enough to win any games for us. And all the while there would be zero rest for Pierce, Ray & KG, which is still part of the problem. The starters basically have no legs left, and at this point we're better off resting them when we can instead of fighting for a playoff seeding. To be honest, at this point I wouldn't care if we dropped down to the 4 seed and played the Hawks. They're a jump shooting team that's one of the worst in the league at getting to the line, so interior defense may not be as much of a thorn for the C's in that series.

I agree about the Hawks--I hadn't even thought of slipping that far though, but it's true.

[LooseCannon]

That's why the real stupid move in this whole saga was not re signing Tony Allen.  Yes Tony Allen.  For a measley 3 million dollars and an extra year.  Chump change for Wyc and Co.  Think about it people :   You re sign Tony Allen  the that means Marquis doesnt come back, then he doesn't get hurt in A Celtics uniform (which is the real cause of the Perkins trade) , and your back up wing defender problem is solved with one of the best defensive role players in the league.  Pretty simple to me.  The 2010-11 Celtics season was derailed because Danny Ainge wouldn't give Tony Allen 3 years and 9 million dollars.  Pathetic, just pathetic Danny.  Everybody and their grandmother knew Marquis would get hurt, he gets hurt every year,  but i dont know for the life of me why Tony Allen is not on this team. 

Because Marquis Daniels and Tony Allen have equally questionable health and it would be stupid to give either player a contract with a guaranteed third year.  It is ridiculous to criticize Daniels for being injury-prone, then want Tony Allen instead.

[BASS_THUMPER]

the title of this thread many fans here i know in cali feel the same way..

every time i give a reason for them to keep they head up....they have a reason and a half that it's over..

few years back around this time we had talks about trying to get first round  pick..

it has been worse.

[thebat]

I also miss Perks (who doesn't?). But if Shaq and JO come back healthy and in full strenght plus Rondos fantastic game playing  orchestration, then it will make me forget about Perk!

This current team + healthy Shaq + healthy JO + Rondo's superb ball handling + current bench = clearly banner 18th!

[Larry for 3]

That's why the real stupid move in this whole saga was not re signing Tony Allen.  Yes Tony Allen.  For a measley 3 million dollars and an extra year.  Chump change for Wyc and Co.  Think about it people :   You re sign Tony Allen  the that means Marquis doesnt come back, then he doesn't get hurt in A Celtics uniform (which is the real cause of the Perkins trade) , and your back up wing defender problem is solved with one of the best defensive role players in the league.  Pretty simple to me.  The 2010-11 Celtics season was derailed because Danny Ainge wouldn't give Tony Allen 3 years and 9 million dollars.  Pathetic, just pathetic Danny.  Everybody and their grandmother knew Marquis would get hurt, he gets hurt every year,  but i dont know for the life of me why Tony Allen is not on this team. 

Because Marquis Daniels and Tony Allen have equally questionable health and it would be stupid to give either player a contract with a guaranteed third year.  It is ridiculous to criticize Daniels for being injury-prone, then want Tony Allen instead.

I see your point, but Tony Allen has played in 66 games this season and Marquis is done for the season with spinal cord issues.  If Danny took my advise then we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now. That's the problem I have with it. For what, 3 million dollars.  This whole value system people have is so overated.  Sometimes you have to pay a little more to get the most solid roster.  1 year and 3 million dollars is nothing in the NBA.  Your probally one of those people who wants to let Glen Davis walk and thinks the Celtics can get Carl Landry or Shane Batttier for the veterans min or on the cheap for 2 million a year.  Not gonna happen.  Teams will be willing to pay more, sure they might be over paid but the team has the player and the Celtics will be stuck again with the Von Wafers of the world or buy out guys for our bench.  I'm not saying give Glen Davis a blank check, but I'm willing to pay more up to a point to keep him.  That's my point.  This whole situation could have been avoided for 3 million dollars.  Geez, Danny gave Scal 5 years and that didnt stop us from winning # 17. 

[Tai]

I thought Tony Allen just wanted more playing time somewhere else. What is this about only 1 year and $3M being all it took to keep him here?

[StartOrien]

I thought Tony Allen just wanted more playing time somewhere else. What is this about only 1 year and $3M being all it took to keep him here?

Danny's implied on a few occasions that he made a very similar offer. Who knows if thats true.

[housecall]

Personally im giving Danny's plan a chance to come to full fruition.It will take the season to play itself out completely before we start thinking about throwing stones and at whom.

[Fafnir]

That's why the real stupid move in this whole saga was not re signing Tony Allen.  Yes Tony Allen.  For a measley 3 million dollars and an extra year.  Chump change for Wyc and Co.  Think about it people :   You re sign Tony Allen  the that means Marquis doesnt come back, then he doesn't get hurt in A Celtics uniform (which is the real cause of the Perkins trade) , and your back up wing defender problem is solved with one of the best defensive role players in the league.  Pretty simple to me.  The 2010-11 Celtics season was derailed because Danny Ainge wouldn't give Tony Allen 3 years and 9 million dollars.  Pathetic, just pathetic Danny.  Everybody and their grandmother knew Marquis would get hurt, he gets hurt every year,  but i dont know for the life of me why Tony Allen is not on this team. 

Because Marquis Daniels and Tony Allen have equally questionable health and it would be stupid to give either player a contract with a guaranteed third year.  It is ridiculous to criticize Daniels for being injury-prone, then want Tony Allen instead.

I see your point, but Tony Allen has played in 66 games this season and Marquis is done for the season with spinal cord issues.  If Danny took my advise then we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now. That's the problem I have with it. For what, 3 million dollars.  This whole value system people have is so overated.  Sometimes you have to pay a little more to get the most solid roster.  1 year and 3 million dollars is nothing in the NBA.  Your probally one of those people who wants to let Glen Davis walk and thinks the Celtics can get Carl Landry or Shane Batttier for the veterans min or on the cheap for 2 million a year.  Not gonna happen.  Teams will be willing to pay more, sure they might be over paid but the team has the player and the Celtics will be stuck again with the Von Wafers of the world or buy out guys for our bench.  I'm not saying give Glen Davis a blank check, but I'm willing to pay more up to a point to keep him.  That's my point.  This whole situation could have been avoided for 3 million dollars.  Geez, Danny gave Scal 5 years and that didnt stop us from winning # 17. 

Tony has been as much an injury risk as Marquis though.