For those that think your seeing the most out of Jeff Green

[BballTim]

Ok, this is another classic overreaction thread.

Jeff Green has a few good games and now everybody is freaking out. Go check out his stats... he's playing above his head. I expect a regression to the mean shortly. (he's still pretty good though, and way better than Big Baby)

Before you tell me I'm wrong, I said the exact same thing about Krstic's offense when he started off with a couple of big games. Trust me, Green won't continue to shoot the way he's been shooting.

  His numbers aren't that out of line, are they? Some are up a little, some are down a little but they look pretty similar to the rest of his career.

[dysgenic]

How many minutes did we think Pierce's backup was going to get?

Given he can play at least 2 positions, I expected him to play a little more than he has been.  Not a lot more, though.  I see the problem not so much in his minutes, but that they aren't looking for him nearly as much as they should when he is in there.  If you are counting on this guy to be a great defender or rebounder, you are going to be disappointed.  His strength is his offense.  Have to find a way to get him more touches.

[jimmehx]

Wow a megaton post I can agree with!

Green needs significantly more PT especially before the first round begins.

Tp mega

[LooseCannon]

How many minutes did we think Pierce's backup was going to get?

Marquis Daniels was getting 19 mpg before his injury.  I was hoping Green would get a bit more than that by taking some backup 4 minutes from Davis.  He's averaging about 23 mpg, so that seems right.

[Tai]

How many minutes did we think Pierce's backup was going to get?

Marquis Daniels was getting 19 mpg before his injury.  I was hoping Green would get a bit more than that by taking some backup 4 minutes from Davis.  He's averaging about 23 mpg, so that seems right.

Well, Green played 19 tonight. Considering Pierce had 37 minutes tonight, I don't think Green was under-utilized tonight.

[Megatron]

Big Baby the new #1 option. Doc needs to sit him down and have a conversations but It looks like Doc is just fine with baby being our #1 option. Even when the starters are in he keeps chucking or getting blocked.

Some things I just never understand.

Greens offense is lightyears better then Babys yet our main focus is to get baby the ball in the post or have him shoot 18 footers and has been for the entire season.

Why even trade for Jeff Green if hes just going to be used as a generic bench 3. Danny could have traded Marquis for cash like he did with Sac and then sign a d-league or free agent 3 to back pierce up like Rasual Butler or Harangody/Erden for Parker.

Our offense sucks because we have a young athletic offensive weapon in Green, and he gets a grand total of 5 shots tonight, while big baby goes 4-14.

Disgusting misuse of a talented player.

No clue why Green would want to sign here to be Big Baby's sidekick.

[KG Living Legend]

 I think We have seen more than the most of him. 

[winsomme]

There's zero question in my mind that Green is not getting enough burn, especially since he brings what this team doesn't have in its starters right now - scoring.

but the problem is that there is only so many ways to get contributions out of your backup SF. That was always part of the problem trading for him.

[clover]

There's zero question in my mind that Green is not getting enough burn, especially since he brings what this team doesn't have in its starters right now - scoring.

but the problem is that there is only so many ways to get contributions out of your backup SF. That was always part of the problem trading for him.

I think everyone on this thread has a valid point re: Green. (Except the 'over his head' bit.)   Volume shooter Davis is part of the problem too.

[PosImpos]

Green should play 20 minutes a night at least, ideally as much as 25.  He should not be playing fewer minutes than Big Baby.  Big Baby should not play more than 25 minutes.  Ideally, Baby should play 15-20 minutes.

[BballTim]

There's zero question in my mind that Green is not getting enough burn, especially since he brings what this team doesn't have in its starters right now - scoring.

but the problem is that there is only so many ways to get contributions out of your backup SF. That was always part of the problem trading for him.

  They play him some at pf, and playing him at sf could allow PP to back up Ray. If they wanted to they could get 30 minutes or so out of him.

[LarBrd33]

i agree with this thread.  Jeff Green is great.  He's got fringe allstar potential. 

He's still picking up our system and adapting to his role, but averaging 11 points in 23 minutes for the celts... 52% shooting.  44% from three.  He'll average 20+ some day when the big 3 are retired.

[PosImpos]

i agree with this thread.  Jeff Green is great.  He's got fringe allstar potential.  

He's still picking up our system and adapting to his role, but averaging 11 points in 23 minutes for the celts... 52% shooting.  44% from three.  He'll average 20+ some day when the big 3 are retired.

On another team, in all likelihood, unless Danny thinks he's good enough to use a good portion of our cap-space (which will probably be less after the new CBA) on him after the lockout next season.

I like Jeff Green quite a bit, but is he really that good?  Like, cornerstone good?  I'm not sure I'd have much confidence in a team on which he is the 3rd best player - and he'll probably want to be paid as if he's the 2nd best player (since he may very well be after the Big 3 retire).

Post Big-3, I think our best bet is probably just to tank for a year or two and get good draft picks.  A core of Rondo + whoever is willing to come to Boston in free agency to play with Rondo isn't going to win titles.  We'll need to acquire another superstar somehow and then probably draw in a third high level player because of the presence of Rondo and the superstar.

[LarBrd33]

i agree with this thread.  Jeff Green is great.  He's got fringe allstar potential.  

He's still picking up our system and adapting to his role, but averaging 11 points in 23 minutes for the celts... 52% shooting.  44% from three.  He'll average 20+ some day when the big 3 are retired.

On another team, in all likelihood, unless Danny thinks he's good enough to use a good portion of our cap-space (which will probably be less after the new CBA) on him after the lockout next season.

I like Jeff Green quite a bit, but is he really that good?  Like, cornerstone good?  I'm not sure I'd have much confidence in a team on which he is the 3rd best player - and he'll probably want to be paid as if he's the 2nd best player (since he may very well be after the Big 3 retire).

Post Big-3, I think our best bet is probably just to tank for a year or two and get good draft picks.  A core of Rondo + whoever is willing to come to Boston in free agency to play with Rondo isn't going to win titles.  We'll need to acquire another superstar somehow and then probably draw in a third high level player because of the presence of Rondo and the superstar.

Cornerstone? ... no.  I see him more as a Danny Granger/Andre Iguodala level (I think he'll be on that level... not saying he'll have the same kind of game as either of those guys).   Fringe all-star who either will be the best player on a lotto team or a key part of a contender.  Btw... If Granger/Iggy were playing on Durant's team, I'd fully expect them to struggle playing PF too.   And along those same lines... I think if the Celtics had suddenly acquired a Danny Granger... I think 11 points in 23 minutes is about what we'd get from him if he were backing up Pierce in limited minutes.

[PosImpos]

i agree with this thread.  Jeff Green is great.  He's got fringe allstar potential. 

He's still picking up our system and adapting to his role, but averaging 11 points in 23 minutes for the celts... 52% shooting.  44% from three.  He'll average 20+ some day when the big 3 are retired.

On another team, in all likelihood, unless Danny thinks he's good enough to use a good portion of our cap-space (which will probably be less after the new CBA) on him after the lockout next season.

I like Jeff Green quite a bit, but is he really that good?  Like, cornerstone good?  I'm not sure I'd have much confidence in a team on which he is the 3rd best player - and he'll probably want to be paid as if he's the 2nd best player (since he may very well be after the Big 3 retire).

Post Big-3, I think our best bet is probably just to tank for a year or two and get good draft picks.  A core of Rondo + whoever is willing to come to Boston in free agency to play with Rondo isn't going to win titles.  We'll need to acquire another superstar somehow and then probably draw in a third high level player because of the presence of Rondo and the superstar.

Cornerstone? ... no.  I see him more as a Danny Granger/Andre Iguodala level (I think he'll be on that level... not saying he'll have the same kind of game as either of those guys).   Fringe all-star who either will be the best player on a lotto team or a key part of a contender.  Btw... If Granger/Iggy were playing on Durant's team, I'd fully expect them to struggle playing PF too.   And along those same lines... I think if the Celtics had suddenly acquired a Danny Granger... I think 11 points in 23 minutes is about what we'd get from him if he were backing up Pierce in limited minutes.

I guess I have a much higher opinion of Iggy and Granger than you do, or at least a much lower opinion of Jeff Green.  Especially so with Iggy - I think Iggy would be a great #3 on a good team (he showed that ability last summer on the USA team).

One thing to note about Green vs. those two players is that his PER has been fairly lower (slightly below league average), while theirs has been quite high (18-20+).  The fact that's he played out of position a lot, and has been the third option on his team, has effected that, but it's still a big difference between him and those two players.  I'm not sure I see his potential to be quite that good.