Doc's rotations

[CoachBo]

As a coach, I'm loathe to criticize another's rotations, since I'm not in their practice.

But ... the last few games have left me scratching my head, with shots going to players who aren't shooters and aren't making anything. Too many shots in Davis' hands. Not enough effort on the glass. Where's Murphy? Rebounding is largely effort, and he can rebound if he can't do anything else. A couple of minutes here and there for him are in order.

So, let's throw this out for discussion: Anyone besides me wondering about Doc's current rotation? He's got at least one scorer on the bench, Green, who frankly isn't getting enough burn. Green's defense and rebounding aren't any worse than the people Doc's playing.

[Change]

Other than Baby playing for a contract, the rotation is not an issue. Doc is playing his best players. I think their lack of chemistry with all the new addition has a lot to do with it, and p--- poor play out of their bigs. Every night Celtics are disadvantaged inside. The interior D without Perk have become soft. Hopefully the O'neals will correct it.

[EJPLAYA]

As a coach, I'm loathe to criticize another's rotations, since I'm not in their practice.

But ... the last few games have left me scratching my head, with shots going to players who aren't shooters and aren't making anything. Too many shots in Davis' hands. Not enough effort on the glass. Where's Murphy? Rebounding is largely effort, and he can rebound if he can't do anything else. A couple of minutes here and there for him are in order.

So, let's throw this out for discussion: Anyone besides me wondering about Doc's current rotation? He's got at least one scorer on the bench, Green, who frankly isn't getting enough burn. Green's defense and rebounding aren't any worse than the people Doc's playing.

TP. I just don't understand Doc's facination with BBD. The guy has been shooting us right out of games lately and yet Doc still lets the guy keep chucking. I have no clue why Jeff Green isn't getting 30 min a game. He is a difference maker out there. He and Troy together are a better option. Once Shaq and JO are back hopefully, Green should be the only one of those three that sees much floor time.

[CoachBo]

Totally disagree, Change. When you're struggling to score - as this team was for three quarters - and Glen Davis gets 15 shots, you are not playing your best players. Ten shots is not enough for Allen, five shots is not enough for Green, and when you're getting worked over on the glass in the fourth because you're playing small ball, you get bigger. You have bigger players.

One of the numerous issues plaguing this team is the way Doc is using his players.

[fairweatherfan]

Isn't Murphy injured?  He twisted an ankle in practice I think.

[Change]

As a coach, I'm loathe to criticize another's rotations, since I'm not in their practice.

But ... the last few games have left me scratching my head, with shots going to players who aren't shooters and aren't making anything. Too many shots in Davis' hands. Not enough effort on the glass. Where's Murphy? Rebounding is largely effort, and he can rebound if he can't do anything else. A couple of minutes here and there for him are in order.

So, let's throw this out for discussion: Anyone besides me wondering about Doc's current rotation? He's got at least one scorer on the bench, Green, who frankly isn't getting enough burn. Green's defense and rebounding aren't any worse than the people Doc's playing.

TP. I just don't understand Doc's facination with BBD. The guy has been shooting us right out of games lately and yet Doc still lets the guy keep chucking. I have no clue why Jeff Green isn't getting 30 min a game. He is a difference maker out there. He and Troy together are a better option. Once Shaq and JO are back hopefully, Green should be the only one of those three that sees much floor time.

couple of reasons
1) KG is a lousy Center (not enough strength)
2) Baby is better rebounder than Green.
3) Big3+Rondo have great Chemistry with Baby

Decreasing Baby's shots would be the one adjustment. I wouldn't change anything else.

[Tai]

Totally disagree, Change. When you're struggling to score - as this team was for three quarters - and Glen Davis gets 15 shots, you are not playing your best players. Ten shots is not enough for Allen, five shots is not enough for Green, and when you're getting worked over on the glass in the fourth because you're playing small ball, you get bigger. You have bigger players.

One of the numerous issues plaguing this team is the way Doc is using his players.

On the roster, yes, we have bigger players. But healthy? Shaq and JO aren't back yet. Even Murphy's injured.

[CoachBo]

True. That's a fairly recent development, though.

Murphy was brought in to rebound. When he gets back, he has to play until at least one of the O'Neal brothers returns. And Krstic - who will never get a moment of credit here because of the trade, I suppose - had six boards in 25 minutes. The injuries aren't an excuse. Go get him. He's not as ineffective as the trade opponents want to conflate.

Davis' offense has been consistently atrocious lately. The ball's got to go to other hands. And six boards in 35 minutes isn't a good job on the glass, either.

The help inside is coming; I have no concerns about that. The shot selection, where they're falling and how the bench is being employed is a different deal.

[KungPoweChicken]

Yeah, I don't understand the rotations and minute distributions. Jeff Green needs to play more.

[CoachBo]

Watching OKC and Portland, I wish we'd had a shot at Gerald Wallace. He is torching the alleged defensive mastermind Serge Ibaka.

Update: Wallace has 31 and is getting to the rim at will.

[Roy H.]

Yeah, I don't understand the rotations and minute distributions. Jeff Green needs to play more.

This is the only major issue I have with the rotation.  If you're going to change the chemistry of the team to bring in Jeff Green, then you've at least got to play him. 

I guess in fairness to Doc, Krstic's rebounding and defense (or lack thereof) makes it tough to play "small ball" without getting totally destroyed inside.  Neither Krstic nor BBD is a good fit at center next to Green at power forward.

The only lineup Doc could maybe play more is KG-Green-Pierce-Ray-Rondo.  That lineup could use a little more run; KG struggles against physical centers sometimes, but he's definitely better than Krstic in that regard.

[Who]

Where's Murphy? Rebounding is largely effort, and he can rebound if he can't do anything else. A couple of minutes here and there for him are in order.

So, let's throw this out for discussion: Anyone besides me wondering about Doc's current rotation?

Troy Murphy is currently out injured. Day to day. But I have been very disappointed with his lack of playing time when available.

I greatly dislike Doc using BBD, Krstic and KG as a three player big man rotation. He needs a fourth body in there to give those guys proper rest and to keep them active. Too many tired legs out there. Krstic and BBD simply are not suited to playing such a large role (together as 2/3rds of the rotation) in a short rotation.

A lot of similar problems to what we had early in the year when Erden, BBD and Garnett were the sole big man rotation. The flaws of that group hurting the squad (especially the rebounding) and making games closer than they needed to be.

I think it's important they get Troy Murphy back on the floor for 15mpg to help keep those other guys fresh ... to make sure they play at a high level with the minutes they receive ... at least until Shaq and/or Jermaine return.

[CoachBo]

Good points.

Krstic's ineffectiveness is greatly exaggerated here - go figure - but anyone who views him as a 35 minute a night player at the 5 is kidding themselves. The guy we traded isn't a 35 minute player either, for obvious reasons.

His value to us, when we're playing with a more complete roster, is to make the Howards of the world chase him. You'd like to think he'd clear the lane for Rondo to do what he's supposed to be doing with the basketball - drive it and dish - but that appears to be wildly optimistic at this point.

Again - as I've said here before - Nads is like the situational lefty in the bullpen. You match him up against opponents and situations where he can help you and you avoid asking him to do things he cannot do, like bang on the block against the Howards of the world.

 

[The DarkPassenger]

It will be interesting to see how minutes will be distributed when Troy, JO, Shaq and Wafer all get back. Mainly between all those big men. I just hope it doesn't take any minutes from Green. Krstic has been okay but when Shaq and Troy get back and IF JO can come back I see him seeing the end of the bench. Nothing against Krstic but just better players coming back. 

[CoachBo]

Again, you want to be caeful buying into the exaggeration of Krstic's weaknesses that's prevalent on this board. He's actually pretty active on the defensive glass, and his offense will be useful down the road at a position where we're not accustomed to any kind of a threat.

He's not an all-star; he's a situational player. Just like the guy we traded.

In the meantime, the lack of PT for Green is inexcusable and that's on Doc.