Doc is talking about Rondo in those post-game comments

[Atzar]

...and this is where I officially take a break from this site for awhile.  The attitude here is atrocious.

[Junkyard Dawg]

So anyways, this wasn't meant to be a bash Rondo thread.. I actually see some light in the fact that if Rondo is our biggest problem right now, we are gonna be all right.  Rondo will be back to himself, hopefully this game is a wake up call.

Again this is all speculation, but if you go back to the quote about Doc/Danny consulting with "players" before the Perk trade, if I had to guess I'd say it was the big 3 and maybe not rondo.  And rondo probably feels upset; he's a leader of this team, he's earned the right to be a part of that group... If this is even remotely the case and I'm Danny, i apologize for not including him in that.

Or maybe I should just become a writer for 'the Association'  

[xmuscularghandix]

It's his attitude. You can see that the whole team is trying to pull through offensively and he's just slowly walking up the court, the way he holds the ball, the lack of urgency, and most of all the lack of intelligent passes.

I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade but the chemistry problems last year weren't from Rasheed Wallace, they were Rajon Rondo. He's the player that controls the offense, that same offense that stops being effective when he starts walking it up the court (see Game 7, or any of the other games Boston has allowed heart wrenching comebacks in.)

You hear Tommy screaming about it, which he never doubts ANYTHING that The Celtics do. As soon as they start walking it up, taking time, and getting forced into single bailout shots he flips out. As unbelievable and jaw dropping as Rajon Rondo is when he's pushing the tempo... he's absolutely useless if he walks it up and doesn't initiate the offense until 14 left on the shot clock. Only PG's with outside jump shots have that luxury.

[PosImpos]

Theres a reason this guy was the #21 pick and was cut from Team USA.

Rondo is a Cancer and has a terrible attitude, he also is a poor offensive player and is overrated.

If this franchise wants to go anywhere they need to try to trade Rondo as soon as they can.

Does Rondo for Brooks/Gortat work?

look, we're all disappointed.  but you're bordering on trolling / self-parody here.

[IrishGreen]

I don't understand this absolute nonsesne.

Countless times I've heard this year from Doc, Pierce, KG and Allen that Rondo is the reason we tick, and this is when we were doing well at the start of the year.

Bad chemistry? Give me a break. If anything as I said before in other posts, there is a lack of urgency from other's on the offensive end aswell. For example, a play was ran for Ray last night, he JOGGED around the pick, Rondo got the ball where Ray was meant to be and voila a turnover.

Example two: Pierce runs around a pick at all of 2.3mph. He up fakes, slows down the offense, tries to get to the hole, shouts "and one" hoping that the official says "ah sure why not there you go Paul, just because you shouted". For crying out loud, he had an open shot and all he does is up-fake. Look put me in the game and I'll do that, tell you what, put Scal in the game and he'll at least shoot the dang thing.

I'm honestly sick and tired of people sticking up for the 3 Hall of Famers. In my opinion they should be scoring more, demanding the ball more. They're there to set an example, not float about on thin air like they've been doing lately.

Don't get me wrong, RR hasn't been playing well but the criticism he gets on this forum is both ludacris and of the nature of "lets point our finger at the young fella because our Hall of Famers can do no wrong".

[I Am A Boston Celtic]

Wait until the playoffs.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aUr6vjPVD8

This will return!!!

[Junkyard Dawg]

Don't get me wrong, RR hasn't been playing well but the criticism he gets on this forum is both ludacris and of the nature of "lets point our finger at the young fella because our Hall of Famers can do no wrong".

Yeah I mean, again, I really wasn't trying to criticize Rondo or to say our HOF can 'do no wrong'.  More I was saying maybe Rondo has a legit gripe that the team isn't addressing.  But I think when you see Rondo walk the ball up the court, stop, dribble 7 or 8 times, pace back and forth a few steps, and THEN pass it off with the shot clock at 12 it kind of sets the tone for the other players on the play.

All I'm saying is somebody talk to the kid and find out why he's doing this!  Maybe sit him for a game and get it out of his system.  There aren't gonna be too many more opportunities to get the new players acclimated to the system for the postseason.

[nba is the worst]

Rondo is just showing you/them how pathetic this team is without him playing well. You shouldn't p--- off your most important young player who they signed long term.

So very true, Celtics/Run! Rhondo, we have to remember, is still really young and it wouldn't surprise me if him now having to learn the ways of this hard world is wearing on him.
I'm old and it still wears on me.

I'm curious - do you intentionally add the "h" to Rondo's name?

Why?

[clover]

I agree with IrishGreen, both Doc and Danny have been clear that the Big Three and Rondo have been off.  You see in Washburn's writeup today a clear finger-pointing at Pierce, and he wouldn't be that pointed without some clear signals from the coaches on that.

[CoachBo]

Losing, like winning, is a team effort. You don't get to this point without equal doses of responsibility across the board.

With that said, the PG play right now is atrocious, as are several other facets of this team's game. Absolution for Rondo, or anyone else right now, is Fool's Gold.

[BballTim]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4682157/rivers-weve-become-very-very-selfish

I know the starters have been playing somewhat uninspired, but I think about PP/Ray/KG and I just can't imagine he's referring to any of them.  MAYBE BBD because of those awful shots he throws up at times, but to put this loss on him is a stretch.

It comes down to Rondo.  Him walking the ball up the court, lazily getting into the offense.  You heard Tommy talking about it all night tonight.  I can see Rondo still holding a grudge for them trading Perk, and I remember a few weeks ago Doc saying that they consulted with some of the players about the trade.  What if the Big 3 were included and not Rondo? 

  I hate to break up all the Rondo hate, but did you start a thread called "Doc is talking about Rondo in those post-game comments" and then like to a video and article, neither of which have Doc referring to Rondo?

[Vermont Green]

Rondo is clearly in a funk and in my opinion, it is the result of a case of self-inflated worth in Rondo's own mind.  First there was the contract, then all the assists early in the year along with MVP talk from senseless national commentators.  Now he seems to be dribbling around looking for the chances to make the perfect pass, get an assist, and show how good he is.  He needs to get back to the hungry, humble, hustling player that made him what he is.

If he is even the least bit miffed becasue DA didn't consult him about a trade, then he really needs a dose of reality.

[Junkyard Dawg]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4682157/rivers-weve-become-very-very-selfish

I know the starters have been playing somewhat uninspired, but I think about PP/Ray/KG and I just can't imagine he's referring to any of them.  MAYBE BBD because of those awful shots he throws up at times, but to put this loss on him is a stretch.

It comes down to Rondo.  Him walking the ball up the court, lazily getting into the offense.  You heard Tommy talking about it all night tonight.  I can see Rondo still holding a grudge for them trading Perk, and I remember a few weeks ago Doc saying that they consulted with some of the players about the trade.  What if the Big 3 were included and not Rondo?

  I hate to break up all the Rondo hate, but did you start a thread called "Doc is talking about Rondo in those post-game comments" and then like to a video and article, neither of which have Doc referring to Rondo?

Right.. and once again, I'm not 'hating' on Rondo.  I, personally, wouldn't take any PG in the league over Rondo on this team.  Maybe I should've posted "Who is Doc talking about in those postgame comments?" but it just seems like such a strange thing to call out the players for being "selfish" when none of them are taking any more shots than usual, so I speculate...

[BballTim]

Rondo is clearly in a funk and in my opinion, it is the result of a case of self-inflated work in Rondo's own mind.  First there was the contract, then all the assists early in the year along with MVP talk from senseless national commentators.  Now he seems to be dribbling around looking for the chances to make the perfect pass, get an assist, and show how good he is.  He needs to get back to the hungry, humble, hustling player that made him what he is.

If he is even the least bit miffed becasue DA didn't consult him about a trade, then he really needs a dose of reality.

  If all that's true then he does need a dose of reality, but it's all groundless speculation.

[BballTim]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4682157/rivers-weve-become-very-very-selfish

I know the starters have been playing somewhat uninspired, but I think about PP/Ray/KG and I just can't imagine he's referring to any of them.  MAYBE BBD because of those awful shots he throws up at times, but to put this loss on him is a stretch.

It comes down to Rondo.  Him walking the ball up the court, lazily getting into the offense.  You heard Tommy talking about it all night tonight.  I can see Rondo still holding a grudge for them trading Perk, and I remember a few weeks ago Doc saying that they consulted with some of the players about the trade.  What if the Big 3 were included and not Rondo?

  I hate to break up all the Rondo hate, but did you start a thread called "Doc is talking about Rondo in those post-game comments" and then like to a video and article, neither of which have Doc referring to Rondo?

Right.. and once again, I'm not 'hating' on Rondo.  I, personally, wouldn't take any PG in the league over Rondo on this team.  Maybe I should've posted "Who is Doc talking about in those postgame comments?" but it just seems like such a strange thing to call out the players for being "selfish" when none of them are taking any more shots than usual, so I speculate...

  So you're saying that Rondo never passes the ball and starts looking for his shot every time he gets the ball into the front court? Check out a video of AI sometime. Rondo's averaging more assists than shots this month and the only likely reason for Doc to call anyone on the team selfish is Rondo shooting too much? No "hate" there...