Im all set with Big Baby

[LB3533]

LB3533- you said one thing right and that was that bbd wasnt even in the paint to box out Horford. Exactly the problem. Go back and watch that play again and you'll see bbd standing right behind Horford when he tips it in. Go ahead and blame ray though...

I didn't blame Ray, it was Cowens who pointed out that Ray was late.

Really though the blame is on the perimeter player defending Joe Johnson....5 seconds left on the clock there should be very little chance for Joe to get to the rim so easily.

[LB3533]

Do you think Baby learned his ill advised jumpers from KG? Why the double standard here?

How about because KG is a better shooter? How about because KG is a hall of famer? How about because KG shoots within his range?

BBD returned to form tonight. Poor shooting and shot selection, no rebounding. We got destroyed on the boards because he refuses to box out... Just like that last Horford tip in. About one good game out of five is about right...

Edit.. Let's add that three at the end with PP wide open on the wing with both hands in the air. Selfish play...

Celtics lose game in 4th qt. Big baby tied with Pierce for most shots in the qt. with 5.  All jumpers all misses.  shocker 

Baby has the guts to take the shots....its too bad our Big 3 don't.

[EJPLAYA]

Do you think Baby learned his ill advised jumpers from KG? Why the double standard here?

How about because KG is a better shooter? How about because KG is a hall of famer? How about because KG shoots within his range?

BBD returned to form tonight. Poor shooting and shot selection, no rebounding. We got destroyed on the boards because he refuses to box out... Just like that last Horford tip in. About one good game out of five is about right...

Edit.. Let's add that three at the end with PP wide open on the wing with both hands in the air. Selfish play...

Celtics lose game in 4th qt. Big baby tied with Pierce for most shots in the qt. with 5.  All jumpers all misses.  shocker 

Baby has the guts to take the shots....its too bad our Big 3 don't.

Yeah, that’s someone speaking with truth...

That is one of the most unfounded ridiculous comments I have seen on this blog in a long time.

The only thing that BBD has the guts to do is have to let out his pants after each meal… The guy shoots 35% from the outside yet you say HE is the one with guts to shoot? He has the SELFISHNESS to take the shots. The guy is an offense killer and a horrible rebounder and needs to plant his butt on the pine.

[birdwatcher]

Baby is the new Employee #8--Antoine was super in the post when he came into the league, but he jacked crap from all over the Earth and shot like 38% for his career.

Remember when the Chinese reporter asked Toine why he took so many 3's?

"Because they don't have 4's"

That's what I was thinking when Baby launched that 3 tonight (and made it).

[LB3533]

Baby is the new Employee #8--Antoine was super in the post when he came into the league, but he jacked crap from all over the Earth and shot like 38% for his career.

Remember when the Chinese reporter asked Toine why he took so many 3's?

"Because they don't have 4's"

That's what I was thinking when Baby launched that 3 tonight (and made it).

Uhhh, Baby launched that 3 because again, the offense took its fine and dandy time using up the shot clock, only to kick it out to Baby at the last second.....so Baby took a 30 footer 3 to beat the shot clock.

[LB3533]

Do you think Baby learned his ill advised jumpers from KG? Why the double standard here?

How about because KG is a better shooter? How about because KG is a hall of famer? How about because KG shoots within his range?

BBD returned to form tonight. Poor shooting and shot selection, no rebounding. We got destroyed on the boards because he refuses to box out... Just like that last Horford tip in. About one good game out of five is about right...

Edit.. Let's add that three at the end with PP wide open on the wing with both hands in the air. Selfish play...

Celtics lose game in 4th qt. Big baby tied with Pierce for most shots in the qt. with 5.  All jumpers all misses.  shocker 

Baby has the guts to take the shots....its too bad our Big 3 don't.

Yeah, that’s someone speaking with truth...

That is one of the most unfounded ridiculous comments I have seen on this blog in a long time.

The only thing that BBD has the guts to do is have to let out his pants after each meal… The guy shoots 35% from the outside yet you say HE is the one with guts to shoot? He has the SELFISHNESS to take the shots. The guy is an offense killer and a horrible rebounder and needs to plant his butt on the pine.

Yeah I wanna know why we have this so called Big 4, but they don't show up with much consistency in the all important 4th quarters?

Why is it that Baby is the consistent one who takes the shots?

We have a lot of people here complaining that Baby is shooting to much.....which begs to question why is he getting the ball all the time?

Tell our hall of famers and all star point guard to keep the rock and shoot it!!!

[EJPLAYA]

Do you think Baby learned his ill advised jumpers from KG? Why the double standard here?

How about because KG is a better shooter? How about because KG is a hall of famer? How about because KG shoots within his range?

BBD returned to form tonight. Poor shooting and shot selection, no rebounding. We got destroyed on the boards because he refuses to box out... Just like that last Horford tip in. About one good game out of five is about right...

Edit.. Let's add that three at the end with PP wide open on the wing with both hands in the air. Selfish play...

Celtics lose game in 4th qt. Big baby tied with Pierce for most shots in the qt. with 5.  All jumpers all misses.  shocker 

Baby has the guts to take the shots....its too bad our Big 3 don't.

Yeah, that’s someone speaking with truth...

That is one of the most unfounded ridiculous comments I have seen on this blog in a long time.

The only thing that BBD has the guts to do is have to let out his pants after each meal… The guy shoots 35% from the outside yet you say HE is the one with guts to shoot? He has the SELFISHNESS to take the shots. The guy is an offense killer and a horrible rebounder and needs to plant his butt on the pine.

Yeah I wanna know why we have this so called Big 4, but they don't show up with much consistency in the all important 4th quarters?

Why is it that Baby is the consistent one who takes the shots?

We have a lot of people here complaining that Baby is shooting to much.....which begs to question why is he getting the ball all the time?

Tell our hall of famers and all star point guard to keep the rock and shoot it!!!

You see there is this thing called passing the ball around the perimeter which makes it tougher for the defense to guard you. As teams switch and rotate it often creates open shots. So good players actually try and move the ball around to get 3-4 passes in quick succession in order to try and free someone up for a good shoot in their range.

This happens with those 5 out on the floor until the ball ends up in BBD’s hands. Then instead of continuing the movement of the ball, BBD decides that if no one is remotely near him (even if he is out of his range) that he MUST shoot the ball. Somehow he has not learned that passing up an okay shot by a poor shooter and working it to one of the Hall of Famers who actually are good scorers is a better idea.

That my friend is how the Big 3 don’t end up taking the shots. They play good ball movement and like Sesame Street “One of these things is not like the others…"

[LB3533]

And sometimes our Big 3 passes up a good shot to give it to Baby who is even more open....in the Big 3's mind that open jumper by Baby is the best shot.

I contend, KG down on the box, 10 feet contested fadaway is a higher percentage shot than Baby's mid range shot.

I also contend that Rondo can beat his guy off the dribble any time he wants to and go in for the layup, but he doesn't do that enough....he rather settle for the chance at his assist so he passes it to the open Baby after we fail to screen and find Ray open.

[birdwatcher]

Baby is the new Employee #8--Antoine was super in the post when he came into the league, but he jacked crap from all over the Earth and shot like 38% for his career.

Remember when the Chinese reporter asked Toine why he took so many 3's?

"Because they don't have 4's"

That's what I was thinking when Baby launched that 3 tonight (and made it).

Uhhh, Baby launched that 3 because again, the offense took its fine and dandy time using up the shot clock, only to kick it out to Baby at the last second.....so Baby took a 30 footer 3 to beat the shot clock.

I know I watched it, too. Point being, he's a PF/C jacking up tons of shots a foot inside the 3pt line, when his bread and butter is his knack for finding daylight in the paint.

[LB3533]

Baby is the new Employee #8--Antoine was super in the post when he came into the league, but he jacked crap from all over the Earth and shot like 38% for his career.

Remember when the Chinese reporter asked Toine why he took so many 3's?

"Because they don't have 4's"

That's what I was thinking when Baby launched that 3 tonight (and made it).

Uhhh, Baby launched that 3 because again, the offense took its fine and dandy time using up the shot clock, only to kick it out to Baby at the last second.....so Baby took a 30 footer 3 to beat the shot clock.

I know I watched it, too. Point being, he's a PF/C jacking up tons of shots a foot inside the 3pt line, when his bread and butter is his knack for finding daylight in the paint.

If we start to focus on giving the ball to Baby down in the paint more....people are going to complain even more about what black hole Baby is as a player on offense.

[mmbaby]

I'm with you, LB3533. Your arguments are very sound, which is more than I can say for some here. TP

And I agree, the top players need to shoot and quit wimping out at the last minute.

[Edgar]

No. 11 will fit perfectly in his spot on cs rotation

[Casperian]

Yeah I wanna know why we have this so called Big 4, but they don't show up with much consistency in the all important 4th quarters?

Why is it that Baby is the consistent one who takes the shots?

We have a lot of people here complaining that Baby is shooting to much.....which begs to question why is he getting the ball all the time?

Tell our hall of famers and all star point guard to keep the rock and shoot it!!!

That pretty much sums it up.
If Baby was doing things he wasn´t supposed to do, I´m sure Doc would sit him. But Baby does what the team philosophy calls for: take the open shot. It´s not really his fault that teams leave our 5th option more open.
The thing is, the people who criticize him for that don´t trust his shooting ability. The team, on the other hand, apparently does.

He is a little trigger happy, but it´s ridiculous to call him a black hole, or even worse, the reason why we lose, in my opinion. Baby does a lot of things well, and works in our system, and the coaches trust him.

At this point, it´s a matter of "perception becomes reality". People want to criticize him for his shooting, and whenever he ends up with more shots than either KG, Ray or Pierce, at any point during the game, they will point it out and say "See, he´s a black hole". If he´s shooting over 60% they call it "surprisingly well". If he´s setting a good pick, he does "what he´s paid for".

I think BBD was just an easy target after Tony´s departure for those of us who need a scapegoat to blame if we lose.

[LB3533]

There are just certain players who are "easy" targets.

Baby is one of them. You can throw in Tony Allen, Nenad Kristic and even Troy Murphy.

It can be argued that Rondo is sometimes a target too, fair or not.

But it is my feeling that the best players on our team need to take the responsibility...not cough it up so easily to our role players.

Case in point, last night against the Hawks, late in the 4th quarter...KG was down low and took, missed his patent fallaway jumper. A few series later he has an even better position down low and a passes it up to Baby for the open jumper.....a miss.

This is an instance where KG's unselfishness hurt the team.

Now if Baby was making his jumper all game....ok I won't fault KG for making that pass.

But I think KG felt he had already missed prior so he passed it up to the open teammate.

And honestly, in the fundamental basketball sense...KG didn't do anything wrong...he passed to the open teammate.

The issue for me is as a superstar in the NBA...you gotta go up strong!!!!

[More Banners]

There are just certain players who are "easy" targets.

Baby is one of them. You can throw in Tony Allen, Nenad Kristic and even Troy Murphy.

It can be argued that Rondo is sometimes a target too, fair or not.

But it is my feeling that the best players on our team need to take the responsibility...not cough it up so easily to our role players.

Case in point, last night against the Hawks, late in the 4th quarter...KG was down low and took, missed his patent fallaway jumper. A few series later he has an even better position down low and a passes it up to Baby for the open jumper.....a miss.

This is an instance where KG's unselfishness hurt the team.

Now if Baby was making his jumper all game....ok I won't fault KG for making that pass.

But I think KG felt he had already missed prior so he passed it up to the open teammate.

And honestly, in the fundamental basketball sense...KG didn't do anything wrong...he passed to the open teammate.

The issue for me is as a superstar in the NBA...you gotta go up strong!!!!

Excellent.

BBD needs to have the sense to move the ball along crisply to those superstars, especially when he's the only non-superstar on the floor.  The comparisons to Toine are accurate on this count: BBD is a ball stopper in the sense that his first impulse when he gets a pass is to look and see what he's got, not to move it along a la Matt Bonner, who is much more sound in terms of fundamental team basketball, and consequently a much better role player.