Flop of the year: Big Baby flop vs Knicks

[Army_of_One_Nation]

Flop of the year?  How soon we forget:

I nominate this for flop of the millennium!

[barefacedmonk]

It wasn't a "touch"...it was hit.

http://video.thescore.com/watch/glen-big-baby-davis-takes-elbow-from-carmelo

...and if you don't remember, he has a history of concussions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCJK1hPpLCE

But what does that have to do with whether he was acting or not?  

The only relevant evidence is the video, and whether you believe the reaction was a natural reaction to the actual hit.  I personally don't think so.  I think there was a delay, and an unnatural flop.  

Don't get me wrong, I think it was absolutely the right thing to do, I just don't think he executed it well.  I think he overplayed it, and made it look fake, which caused the refs not to blow the whistle.  If he had just reacted normally to it, or been a better actor, I think it would have been a foul, and perhaps even a flagrant.  My guess is in real time that his reaction was so over the top, that the refs thought he wasn't even hit, and was faking it, rather than just exagerating the hit.

The refs swallow their whistles on a lot of plays..so, I wouldn't let that decide if it was a flop or not...and where is the delay? I don't notice it at all...he went down pretty much as soon as he was hit. Do you think a player who is "faking" it or trying to "sell" it will sit on the sideline holding his head in pain? BBD was seen doing just that when we called for a timeout very soon after he went down.

I think BBD flops sometimes...that's why he has all those charges...but this particular one was not a flop.

EDIT: And what makes you think he was acting? Getting hit by an elbow in the face or head is very painful...and his reaction seemed to fit the hit, imo. Take a look at the video when we played the Magic...the guy is stumbling across the court and needs support to stay on his feet. Some people might even call that acting...while it wasn't.

[xmuscularghandix]

Flop of the year?  How soon we forget:

the BEST

[Finkelskyhook]

Davis probably has 10 of the top 20 flops in the league this year.

[Chris]

Do you think a player who is "faking" it or trying to "sell" it will sit on the sideline holding his head in pain? BBD was seen doing just that when we called for a timeout very soon after he went down.

Absolutely.  They know the cameras are around, and the refs are watching, and they know that it looks very bad for them if they don't sell it. 

And again, I am not saying he wasn't hit, I am just saying that the reaction was exagerated to try to draw a call.

[barefacedmonk]

Do you think a player who is "faking" it or trying to "sell" it will sit on the sideline holding his head in pain? BBD was seen doing just that when we called for a timeout very soon after he went down.

Absolutely.  They know the cameras are around, and the refs are watching, and they know that it looks very bad for them if they don't sell it. 

And again, I am not saying he wasn't hit, I am just saying that the reaction was exagerated to try to draw a call.

I guess there are no genuine reactions to hits then...because the cameras are on the players all the time. I find it very hard to believe that the refs would be watching what a particular player does during a time out. I don't agree with you...but I won't argue further.

[Birdbrain]

He got elbowed in the eye the angle that you see on tv wasn't a very good one.  Not a flop in the least.  Very bad missed call in fact.  With fans like Boston you don't need enemies.

[European NBA fan]

One of the dirtiest plays of the night (and it was a night with blood on the floor), and you call it a flop? There is really no delay in Big Baby's reaction. It is nearly impossible to consiously react like that, unless you are a trained stuntman.

As kozlodoev noted things like that look harmless in slo-mo.

[fairweatherfan]

Do you think a player who is "faking" it or trying to "sell" it will sit on the sideline holding his head in pain? BBD was seen doing just that when we called for a timeout very soon after he went down.

Absolutely.  They know the cameras are around, and the refs are watching, and they know that it looks very bad for them if they don't sell it. 

And again, I am not saying he wasn't hit, I am just saying that the reaction was exagerated to try to draw a call.

It looked like a flop on the initial hit, but staying down made it more believable to me.  Teammates and coaches have a pretty good sense of when their guy is flopping, and staying on the ground for a full possession to sell a call that's long over, then costing the team a timeout and possibly a 3 second violation, wouldn't go over well at all.  Baby is not afraid to flop, but I think he got shaken up a little bit despite what looked like pretty soft contact.

[Roy H.]

The contact looked incidental, but I'm not going to doubt another man's pain.  He got elbowed by a big guy, and even glancing blows can be painful.  Again, to me it doesn't look that bad and appears to be exaggerated, but I have no way of having any confidence in that.

It's similar to the stuff between KG and Channing Frye.  That contact looked light, but anybody who has been in that situation knows it can be very painful.  Something similar could have been going on here.

[BballTim]

The contact looked incidental, but I'm not going to doubt another man's pain. 

  I can see how people could call it a flop, but how can you call it incidental when Melo is looking at Davis when he initiates the contact?

[GreenEnvy]

I was worried he got a concussion, considering he has a history of them.

He was caught flush by 'Melo, who was wild with his elbows (as was Amare) a handful of times last night. They must have enrolled in an online course at the School of Elbowing with Professor Dwight Howard.


I didn't think it was a flop at all. It's one thing to do it, not get a call, and get back up after a bit. He couldn't get up for D and didn't get up for offense. They needed a timeout to get him right. He was definitely shaken up.



And yeah, nothing compares to Bosh. That was actually pathetic.

[Adelaide Celt]

Flop of the year? Hardly. Not even top 10.

[Cman]

Do you think a player who is "faking" it or trying to "sell" it will sit on the sideline holding his head in pain? BBD was seen doing just that when we called for a timeout very soon after he went down.

Absolutely.  They know the cameras are around, and the refs are watching, and they know that it looks very bad for them if they don't sell it. 

And again, I am not saying he wasn't hit, I am just saying that the reaction was exagerated to try to draw a call.

It looked like a flop on the initial hit, but staying down made it more believable to me.  Teammates and coaches have a pretty good sense of when their guy is flopping, and staying on the ground for a full possession to sell a call that's long over, then costing the team a timeout and possibly a 3 second violation, wouldn't go over well at all.  Baby is not afraid to flop, but I think he got shaken up a little bit despite what looked like pretty soft contact.

Agreed.  He is a flopper, no doubt about it.  But I think that was legit.  It wouldn't go over well with teammates to be lying there grimacing in pain and carrying on if not true.

[BballTim]

They must have enrolled in an online course at the School of Elbowing with Professor Dwight Howard.

  Haha. I had that exact same thought last night.