The Minnesota #2 we just acquired

[Roy H.]

Hoopsworld lists the pick we got in the Erden / Harangody trade as follows:

Boston Celtics: Receives Minnesota's 2013 second-round pick (via Boston from the Delonte West trade on 7/26/10) via the Luke Harangody trade on 2/24/11.

Link

The part I find confusing is the "via Boston" part.  Normally, that means that the team trading the pick sent a pick that once belonged to another team; "via Boston" means that the pick at one time belonged to the Celts.

I understand the "Delonte West" part; Cleveland acquired Minnesota's pick in the deal that sent Delonte and Telfair to Minnesota for Sessions, Hollins, and a #2.  However, I assumed that this #2 was Minnesota's own pick.

So, does anybody know of a trade where Minnesota acquired one of our #2s?  I know that we sent two conditional #2s to Minnesota in the Wally / Ricky deal.  Did we send those already, or was one of them the 2013 pick?

It could be that Hoopsworld is just wrong here (it wouldn't be the first time), but obviously there could be a pretty big difference between a Twolves' #2 and the Celtics own pick.

[lon3lytoaster]

Hmm.. The picks we sent to Minny for Wally and Olowokandi have already been cashed on Craig Smith and Nikola Pekovic.

Typo, maybe? As a matter of fact, I think I read earlier that it is cleveland's pick, but top-55 protected for several years, and if the Cavs have a pick within 1-55 for 3 or so years, they don't have to give us the pick.

I think I explained that wrong.. working on a link.

Nope, i'm confused on this one.
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

[Roy H.]

Hmm.. The picks we sent to Minny for Wally and Olowokandi have already been cashed on Craig Smith and Nikola Pekovic.

Typo, maybe?

Wait, we used to have the Pekovic pick?  How so?  

I know at one point we had a future Portland #2, which then got conveyed to Seattle in the Ray Allen trade.  Was that involved somehow?  It seems unlikely, but maybe I guess.

It's all pretty confusing, mostly because trades aren't accurately reported in the media.

[lon3lytoaster]

Hmm.. The picks we sent to Minny for Wally and Olowokandi have already been cashed on Craig Smith and Nikola Pekovic.

Typo, maybe?

Wait, we used to have the Pekovic pick?  How so?  

I know at one point we had a future Portland #2, which then got conveyed to Seattle in the Ray Allen trade.  Was that involved somehow?  It seems unlikely, but maybe I guess.

It's all pretty confusing, mostly because trades aren't accurately reported in the media.

I think that was the pick we got for Antoine Walker's sign and trade?.. then we traded it to Minnesota for Sczcerbiak and Olowokandi?.. confusing is right.

If I remember correctly, off the top of my head, in 2005 we signed and traded Toine to Miami for Curtis Borchardt, Qyntel Woods and a second rounder. that must be the pekovic pick.

[Roy H.]

Hmm.. The picks we sent to Minny for Wally and Olowokandi have already been cashed on Craig Smith and Nikola Pekovic.

Typo, maybe?

Wait, we used to have the Pekovic pick?  How so? 

I know at one point we had a future Portland #2, which then got conveyed to Seattle in the Ray Allen trade.  Was that involved somehow?  It seems unlikely, but maybe I guess.

It's all pretty confusing, mostly because trades aren't accurately reported in the media.

I think that was the pick we got for Antoine Walker's sign and trade?.. then we traded it to Minnesota for Sczcerbiak and Olowokandi?.. confusing is right.

Ah, that could be.  Kind of a bummer in hindsight, I guess; a piece that we all saw as a throw-in in the trade turned out to be a decent center prospect.

[lon3lytoaster]

Hmm.. The picks we sent to Minny for Wally and Olowokandi have already been cashed on Craig Smith and Nikola Pekovic.

Typo, maybe?

Wait, we used to have the Pekovic pick?  How so? 

I know at one point we had a future Portland #2, which then got conveyed to Seattle in the Ray Allen trade.  Was that involved somehow?  It seems unlikely, but maybe I guess.

It's all pretty confusing, mostly because trades aren't accurately reported in the media.

I think that was the pick we got for Antoine Walker's sign and trade?.. then we traded it to Minnesota for Sczcerbiak and Olowokandi?.. confusing is right.

Ah, that could be.  Kind of a bummer in hindsight, I guess; a piece that we all saw as a throw-in in the trade turned out to be a decent center prospect.

Yea, I really liked him with the 30th pick, but there's no way he would of come over with the rookie scale being how it is in the first round.

[Chris]

The only thing I can think is if this is referring to the first round pick from the Wally trade, which turned into a 2nd rounder, because Minnesota still owes LA a first round pick.  But I believe that would have ended up being a 2012 first rounder.  

But that pick was traded to Boston, and then back to Minnesota.  

...so, all in all, I am stumped.  

Also, I read this as we are recieving Minnesota's second rounder, not Boston's.  It is suggesting that it was Minnesota's second rounder that was traded to Boston, and somehow ended up in Cleveland. 

Basically though, I just think the website has things mixed up.

[Roy H.]

The only thing I can think is if this is referring to the first round pick from the Wally trade, which turned into a 2nd rounder, because Minnesota still owes LA a first round pick.  But I believe that would have ended up being a 2012 first rounder.  

But that pick was traded to Boston, and then back to Minnesota.  

...so, all in all, I am stumped.  

Also, I read this as we are recieving Minnesota's second rounder, not Boston's.  It is suggesting that it was Minnesota's second rounder that was traded to Boston, and somehow ended up in Cleveland. 

Basically though, I just think the website has things mixed up.

You know what, I think you're right.

The Minnesota pick was never unprotected; it was always contingent upon the Twolves pick that LA owned.  If we didn't receive the #1 by 2012 (I believe), we were to get Minnesota's #2 (and it very well may have been in 2013).  We then traded that pick back to Minnesota in the KG trade. 

So, Minnesota received its own #2 pick (originally given in the Ricky deal) back in the KG deal.  They then traded that pick to Cleveland, who sent it to us.

[Lucky17]

The pick is from a July 26, 2010 deal with Cleveland, not Boston.

Timberwolves acquire Delonte West, Sebastian Telfair    

Cleveland acquires Ramon Sessions, Ryan Hollins, 2013 second round pick from MIN

West was waived a week later by Minnesota.

[Roy H.]

The pick is from a July 26, 2010 deal with Cleveland, not Boston.

Timberwolves acquire Delonte West, Sebastian Telfair    

Cleveland acquires Ramon Sessions, Ryan Hollins, 2013 second round pick from MIN

West was waived a week later by Minnesota.

Yeah, Cleveland got the pick from Minnesota.  The question was, did that Minnesota pick ever belong to Boston.  Chris' explanation seems to be the right one here, which is that Boston at one time had the potential to have that pick, before trading it back to the Twolves.

[Lucky17]

I can't find anything in either the Garnett or Szczerbiak trades that indicates Boston had the rights to that pick at any time, and traded it back to Minnesota.

The Szczerbiak trade netted a 1st from Minnesota that was payable two years after the Wolves sent the Clippers the 1st rounder they owed them, and that was sent back to MIN in the Garnett trade, as everyone remembers. There may have been protections on the pick that might have eventually turned it into a 2nd rounder, but all that was rendered moot with the Garnett trade.

[Jeff]

We should trade the pick for Dwight Howard and let the Magic figure it out.

[Cman]

The pick is from a July 26, 2010 deal with Cleveland, not Boston.

Timberwolves acquire Delonte West, Sebastian Telfair    

Cleveland acquires Ramon Sessions, Ryan Hollins, 2013 second round pick from MIN

West was waived a week later by Minnesota.

Yeah, Cleveland got the pick from Minnesota.  The question was, did that Minnesota pick ever belong to Boston.  Chris' explanation seems to be the right one here, which is that Boston at one time had the potential to have that pick, before trading it back to the Twolves.

So just to make sure I understand:
 
Boston now has Minnesota's 2013 2nd round pick.

All the confusion was because of the prior 2 trades involving Boston and Minny before the pick was sent to Cleveland.

[slamtheking]

The pick is from a July 26, 2010 deal with Cleveland, not Boston.

Timberwolves acquire Delonte West, Sebastian Telfair    

Cleveland acquires Ramon Sessions, Ryan Hollins, 2013 second round pick from MIN

West was waived a week later by Minnesota.

Yeah, Cleveland got the pick from Minnesota.  The question was, did that Minnesota pick ever belong to Boston.  Chris' explanation seems to be the right one here, which is that Boston at one time had the potential to have that pick, before trading it back to the Twolves.

So just to make sure I understand:
 
Boston now has Minnesota's 2013 2nd round pick.

All the confusion was because of the prior 2 trades involving Boston and Minny before the pick was sent to Cleveland.

That would seem to be it.  Seems like we'll finally be getting that pick -- a lot of shuffling around for a second rounder.  Thankfully Minny should still stink at the time of that draft and we should get a decent player with that pick (taking Danny's skill at finding quality in the second round --> Gabe Pruitt notwithstanding  )

[barefacedmonk]

We should trade the pick for Dwight Howard and let the Magic figure it out.