Krstic is being overrated

[Megatron]

Sorry to challenge people's assumptions.  It's just hard for me to accept that the player who:

a) scores more;
b) shoots a much higher percentage;
c) averages more assists; and
d) averages more offensive rebounds...

... is the *vastly* inferior offensive player.  I just don't buy it.  Call Krstic more versatile, sure.  Maybe "slightly better".  But definitely not vastly better.

The fact that within the past week we have seen Krstic display an array of moves that Perkins has never been able to do is reason enough to call Krstic the better offensive player.

Perkins offensive game consisted of put-backs. He couldnt score otherwise. I've watched every game this year and I havent seen Perkins hit a shot that wasnt a layup/dunk/put-back.

[BudweiserCeltic]

So let's not read too much into the stats about Perk's offensive prowess.

Let's not read too much into the stats put up against Phoenix and Golden State, either.

It's the only thing I have at hand. We'll see.

[Redz]

Sorry to challenge people's assumptions.  It's just hard for me to accept that the player who:

a) scores more;
b) shoots a much higher percentage;
c) averages more assists; and
d) averages more offensive rebounds...

... is the *vastly* inferior offensive player.  I just don't buy it.  Call Krstic more versatile, sure.  Maybe "slightly better".  But definitely not vastly better.

Krstio has shown to be a much smoother scorer in the paint.  He gets the ball and quickly scores.  Call it aesthetics if you will.  He seems to know what to do with the ball when he gets it. 

Perk's posy game had improved, but it was a much more labor intensive practice, but as you say, if the ball goes in the basket it still counts as to points.

[Rondo9dunx]

I think we're just excited because he's better than Semih Roy

great thread btw

[Roy H.]

Sorry to challenge people's assumptions.  It's just hard for me to accept that the player who:

a) scores more;
b) shoots a much higher percentage;
c) averages more assists; and
d) averages more offensive rebounds...

... is the *vastly* inferior offensive player.  I just don't buy it.  Call Krstic more versatile, sure.  Maybe "slightly better".  But definitely not vastly better.

The fact that within the past week we have seen Krstic display an array of moves that Perkins has never been able to do is reason enough to call Krstic the better offensive player.

Perkins offensive game consisted of put-backs. He couldnt score otherwise. I've watched every game this year and I havent seen Perkins hit a shot that wasnt a layup/dunk/put-back.

This just isn't true, but I'm not going to argue with somebody with blinders on. 

[rondohondo]

Sorry to challenge people's assumptions.  It's just hard for me to accept that the player who:

a) scores more;
b) shoots a much higher percentage;
c) averages more assists; and
d) averages more offensive rebounds...

... is the *vastly* inferior offensive player.  I just don't buy it.  Call Krstic more versatile, sure.  Maybe "slightly better".  But definitely not vastly better.

The fact that within the past week we have seen Krstic display an array of moves that Perkins has never been able to do is reason enough to call Krstic the better offensive player.

Perkins offensive game consisted of put-backs. He couldnt score otherwise. I've watched every game this year and I havent seen Perkins hit a shot that wasnt a layup/dunk/put-back.

This just isn't true, but I'm not going to argue with somebody with blinders on.  

not gonna argue with someone with blinders on? hahahaha

You named this thread Kristic is overrated and then go on to Post that Perk is just as good or almost as good a kristic on  offense.

If that's not overrating Perk, I don't know what is ? It's like saying Kristic is just as good at post defense as Perk is.


Roy I agree with a lot of the stuff you post on here , but you seriously have blinders on with this .

You are doing the same exact thing that you're accusing other of .

[rondohondo]

Sorry to challenge people's assumptions.  It's just hard for me to accept that the player who:

a) scores more;
b) shoots a much higher percentage;
c) averages more assists; and
d) averages more offensive rebounds...

... is the *vastly* inferior offensive player.  I just don't buy it.  Call Krstic more versatile, sure.  Maybe "slightly better".  But definitely not vastly better.

The fact that within the past week we have seen Krstic display an array of moves that Perkins has never been able to do is reason enough to call Krstic the better offensive player.

Perkins offensive game consisted of put-backs. He couldnt score otherwise. I've watched every game this year and I havent seen Perkins hit a shot that wasnt a layup/dunk/put-back.

This just isn't true, but I'm not going to argue with somebody with blinders on.  

double post by mistake

[barefacedmonk]

I maybe wrong but I think these are Perkins' numbers from the 2008-2009 playoffs. When KG wasn't in the lineup.

Minutes: 36:36   FG: 57%   FT: 67%   rebounds: 11.6   pts: 11.9    blks: 2.64

Those are very solid numbers.

But more important is his solid fundamental defense. Besides protecting the interior, Perkins has learned to move quickly when he sets up outside defensively as well. Often the bigs have to show on guards trying to turn the corner on their defender and then get back into position. Or front on the pick and roll and get back down to defend inside. It requires a quick and mobile big man and a lot of energy. Perkins has become very good at the whole motion/revolving defense thing.

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If a below average one dimensional center can put up numbers like that...then Krstic better light it up in the playoffs. He is the better offensive player after all.

My apologies to the OP. I don't mean to turn this into a Perk vs Krstic thread....but it seems we can't say anything about Krstic without someone dragging Perk in the conversation.

[CoachBo]

Which brings up another point that gets lost in this discussion: Perkins is not going to approach those offensive numbers in OKC. It won't happen. The Brooks system won't allow it.

In the meantime, we are chasing a title. The numbers that matter to me are rebounding and scoring vs. opponent. Individual numbers mean nothing.

[screwedupmaniac]

I'm gonna jump out on a highly unpopular limb and say that Perk was overrated too...our system makes players look better than they really are. That's the great thing about having 4 future hall of famers on the floor. I will be interested to see how Perk does with OKC. I wish him the best, but I must say that I am not expecting him to do as well as he did playing next to KG.

Kristic off the bench come playoff time is going to be a great piece to the puzzle. His range will space out the floor, allowing our slashers to get to the hoop. His outside presence, and Shaq's inside presence, will allow us to throw different looks at different teams. Don't forget, we traded one starter with a weak knee for two healthy starters from another team.

Come playoff time, I feel we are a better team than we were before the trade. I still believe in Danny...even though the sentimental part of me misses Perk.

[vinnie]

Kristic has been solid so far on offense, but I look forward to see how he performs against a top tier team that actually plays defense. One other question - what are the chances he bolts after the season given that he is a free agent?

[Eja117]

I admit I underrated him.  I thought he was a horridly bad player.  Turns out he is so-so.  He is way worse than Perk was before the knee thing, and he may turn out to be only mildly worse now that the knee thing has happened.

Throw in Green and a draft pick and we might have made out.  We'll have to wait till the playoffs to see

Really way worse? You make it sound like Krstic is a D league player. They were both starting centers on high quality teams. Even if you are the biggest Perk supporter you have to admit that his ceiling is being a 2nd team all-defense type player. Maybe one day he can get there.  

Yes way worse. Prior to the knee injuries Perk was a player that absolutely any team would want.

Krstic, not so much. Maybe as a 3rd stringer, which is possibly what he will end up with us

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

Sorry Roy,

But Curly isn't getting defensive rebounds because KG and Pierce are getting them all, and Curly is clearly being asked to run the floor like a gazelle (which him and Green are doing quite nicely might I add).

He's also EXTREMELY active around the offensive glass.

Pop Quiz: Who has more lift and a jumper?

a) Perk
b) Curly

Hint: The answer is b

You also haven't given any credit to what KG does to people. He instantly makes them tougher and automatically makes them a better defender - both of which we're seeing from Curly already.

[Edgar]

Hobbsy

I am with Nenad in this one.


and i know you hope i am right

[ballin]

I made a thread almost EXACTLY like this a couple of days ago, and got torn apart for it.

I agree 100% with the original poster though.

What we gave up in defense and rebounding was not NEARLY offset by the modest (if any) gains in offense. And that's not even considering the fact that this new team will have very little time to gel.

UGH.