Pierce is our best player

[Megatron]

I strongly disagree.

Perkins was our best player, by far.

[droponov]

Also, people seem to conveniently forget that KGs Twolves teams were almost always middle of the pack defensive teams. If KG single handedly can lock down the world, as I am so often lead to believe, how could that be.

Check their rosters. How how awful they were when he was off the floor.

[Mike-Dub]

And he was just named EC player of the week.

http://www.csnne.com/03/07/11/Pierce-named-Eastern-Conference-Player-o/landing_celtics.html?blockID=435036&feedID=3352

[Birdbrain]

I strongly disagree.

Perkins was our best player, by far.

TP classic.

[Carhole]

Also, people seem to conveniently forget that KGs Twolves teams were almost always middle of the pack defensive teams. If KG single handedly can lock down the world, as I am so often lead to believe, how could that be.

Check their rosters. How how awful they were when he was off the floor.

PP and KG both played huge minutes, the sample size for "when they are off the floor" is extremely small.

If you want to find the info I would love to look at it, but for the Twolves it was year after year where they were between 10 and 17th in def efficiency

Also in the 06-07 season we know that the celtics with PP were one of the worst teams ever to lace them up. They were a team with a 10% winning percentage and with him they were almost 500.

KG had better talent on most all of his Twolves teams then PP had. Toine was the best player PP ever played with and He his terrible. He took more shots then points scored in two entire playoff runs! And he couldnt guard anyone.

I would take Sprewell, Cassel and a healthy Wally ahead of anyone Paul played with.

[IrishGreen]

And one....

I think he's said that about 50 times this year when going to the rack and in most occasions it works.

I haven't seen him this intense since the 2008 season. He's really improved his 3pt fg% and also when he took over calling the plays when Rondo was injured, he was awesome.

[Fafnir]

Also, people seem to conveniently forget that KGs Twolves teams were almost always middle of the pack defensive teams. If KG single handedly can lock down the world, as I am so often lead to believe, how could that be.

Check their rosters. How how awful they were when he was off the floor.

PP and KG both played huge minutes, the sample size for "when they are off the floor" is extremely small.

If you want to find the info I would love to look at it, but for the Twolves it was year after year where they were between 10 and 17th in def efficiency

KG became a better team defender with the C's, better system for him, and better defensive personal around him.

He was still an amazing defender with the Timberwolves, but one single great defender doesn't necessarily mean a team will be great defensively. Shawn Marion was another amazing defensive player, but on the Suns that was never going to translate into a top tier defense.

[Carhole]

Also, people seem to conveniently forget that KGs Twolves teams were almost always middle of the pack defensive teams. If KG single handedly can lock down the world, as I am so often lead to believe, how could that be.

Check their rosters. How how awful they were when he was off the floor.

PP and KG both played huge minutes, the sample size for "when they are off the floor" is extremely small.

If you want to find the info I would love to look at it, but for the Twolves it was year after year where they were between 10 and 17th in def efficiency

KG became a better team defender with the C's, better system for him, and better defensive personal around him.

He was still an amazing defender with the Timberwolves, but one single great defender doesn't necessarily mean a team will be great defensively. Shawn Marion was another amazing defensive player, but on the Suns that was never going to translate into a top tier defense.

Exactly! They needed each other. PP could never be as aggressive as he is on quality wing players without KG behind him.

And KG wasnt KG when people were not as committed and the D system was not as advantageous to what he does well. KG may be the greatest help defender I have ever seen

[Fafnir]

Also, people seem to conveniently forget that KGs Twolves teams were almost always middle of the pack defensive teams. If KG single handedly can lock down the world, as I am so often lead to believe, how could that be.

Check their rosters. How how awful they were when he was off the floor.

PP and KG both played huge minutes, the sample size for "when they are off the floor" is extremely small.

If you want to find the info I would love to look at it, but for the Twolves it was year after year where they were between 10 and 17th in def efficiency

KG became a better team defender with the C's, better system for him, and better defensive personal around him.

He was still an amazing defender with the Timberwolves, but one single great defender doesn't necessarily mean a team will be great defensively. Shawn Marion was another amazing defensive player, but on the Suns that was never going to translate into a top tier defense.

Exactly! They needed each other. PP could never be as aggressive as he is on quality wing players without KG behind him.

And KG wasnt KG when people were not as committed and the D system was not as advantageous to what he does well. KG may be the greatest help defender I have ever seen

That's really not what I was saying.

KG was always KG, but the team results weren't there because of the talent and overall system he was in. Pierce certainly could have been a better defender before KG showed up, but he like most high usage guys couldn't or at least didn't do it consistently.

[Carhole]

Also, people seem to conveniently forget that KGs Twolves teams were almost always middle of the pack defensive teams. If KG single handedly can lock down the world, as I am so often lead to believe, how could that be.

Check their rosters. How how awful they were when he was off the floor.

And you are just referring to defense I assume but the reality is on Offense PP had his greatest jump in efficiency when Doc came and instituted a real offense even though he was playing with nobodies.

KG has seen a nice spike in his efficiency since playing with a true lead scorer.

[AlexC45]

In this team is hard to say whos the best each player bring something different to the court, that why this team starting lineup is so complete. Let me explain.

Rondo , know how to run set play
Pierce, his a clutch shooter,can hit mid range shots and has good defense
Allen , one of the best if not the best shooters off all times he knows how to come around screens and do that catch and shoot that honestly no one else can do this with the perfection he does.
Garnett, the guy can flat out get you mad in the inside he can rebound his defense is superb and he can also be clutch.

Thats just the way i see it.

[Greenbean]

The sky is blue. Water is wet.

[Carhole]

Also, people seem to conveniently forget that KGs Twolves teams were almost always middle of the pack defensive teams. If KG single handedly can lock down the world, as I am so often lead to believe, how could that be.

Check their rosters. How how awful they were when he was off the floor.

PP and KG both played huge minutes, the sample size for "when they are off the floor" is extremely small.

If you want to find the info I would love to look at it, but for the Twolves it was year after year where they were between 10 and 17th in def efficiency

KG became a better team defender with the C's, better system for him, and better defensive personal around him.

He was still an amazing defender with the Timberwolves, but one single great defender doesn't necessarily mean a team will be great defensively. Shawn Marion was another amazing defensive player, but on the Suns that was never going to translate into a top tier defense.

Exactly! They needed each other. PP could never be as aggressive as he is on quality wing players without KG behind him.

And KG wasnt KG when people were not as committed and the D system was not as advantageous to what he does well. KG may be the greatest help defender I have ever seen

That's really not what I was saying.

KG was always KG, but the team results weren't there because of the talent and overall system he was in. Pierce certainly could have been a better defender before KG showed up, but he like most high usage guys couldn't or at least didn't do it consistently.

I agree with you so it feels like we are saying the same thing to me ha.

KG has always been what he is, but he did not get as noticed for it until he joined a team with equal commitment and a good scheme.

PP could never give the effort he does without the scheme and a big guy to have his back like KG

[drza44]

PP and KG both played huge minutes, the sample size for "when they are off the floor" is extremely small.

If you want to find the info I would love to look at it, but for the Twolves it was year after year where they were between 10 and 17th in def efficiency

Also in the 06-07 season we know that the celtics with PP were one of the worst teams ever to lace them up. They were a team with a 10% winning percentage and with him they were almost 500.

KG had better talent on most all of his Twolves teams then PP had. Toine was the best player PP ever played with and He his terrible. He took more shots then points scored in two entire playoff runs! And he couldnt guard anyone.

I would take Sprewell, Cassel and a healthy Wally ahead of anyone Paul played with.

Garnett missed 6 games in 2007.  The Wolves went 0 - 6, with an average loss margin of 19.2 points. 

On the year, the Wolves were +13 in the roughly 3000 minutes he played, and -310 in the 1000 minutes he sat.  Sample size wasn't an issue...the 2007 Wolves were really, REALLY bad outside of Garnett.  I mean, like historically bad.

The '07 Celtics were terrible without Pierce...-5.9 points/48 minutes without their Captain.

The '07 Wolves were even worse without KG... -14.8 points/48 minutes without Garnett.

I don't see why this needed to be brought up, but if you're going to do it then at least be accurate.  Since they started keeping track of the +/- stats in 2002, no player in the NBA has done more to elevate his teams than Garnett.  Not Duncan, not Kobe, not LeBron.  And not Pierce.

Oh yeah, and as far as defense goes, KG tended to have a similar on-court/off-court defensive impact for the Wolves as he's had for the Celtics.  The difference is, here the defense without him would be almost average so his impact takes it from average to epic.  In Minnesota, the defense without him was putrid, so he took it from wretched to average.

His individual defensive impact was similar, it's all about the starting point.

[Onslaught]

Always thought he was the best player on the team.