Good Rondo/Bad Rondo

[Greenbean]

There have been many more good Rondos than bad.

Well now we will know for sure!

  A lot of people already do. Are we doing this for all of our players, or is Rondo the only one that people here can readily identify good and bad games from?

Nope. Just Rondo. It's good to keep track of these sorts of things.

Kind of like no one believes any information spread via word of mouth until it is on an official document with a header and a logo.

This is that "official" document.

  Haha. And you're the official, unbiased judge?

Yes 

Someone gets it!

[Greenbean]

There have been many more good Rondos than bad.

Well now we will know for sure!

  A lot of people already do. Are we doing this for all of our players, or is Rondo the only one that people here can readily identify good and bad games from?

Nope. Just Rondo. It's good to keep track of these sorts of things.

Kind of like no one believes any information spread via word of mouth until it is on an official document with a header and a logo.

This is that "official" document.

if you are doing this crap, how about adding whether the team won or not.  for example, bad rondo-1, celtics WIN

Pkease read the original post. This is just for fun. Not everyone like threads like this and I really dont appreciate the tone..."crap"...really?

I did write that they won by the way. If you are going to crap on something why dont you read all of the crap first.

u indicate they won, but your not keeping a tally of it.  my suggestion is that u keep the tally of games won, whether "good or bad" rondo plays

Okay. Good idea. Fixed original post

[Chris]

There have been many more good Rondos than bad.

I disagree.  I think "Bad" Rondo shows up more often than "Good" Rondo.

Of course, I think at times it is a bit of an unfair label, since "Bad" Rondo is still significantly better than any PG we have seen in Boston in years.  But the fact that we know he can be significantly better if he is completely focussed has spoiled us a bit, and I think if he is going to make that leap to superstar status that some people think he is capable of, he is going to have to learn to play closer to he does on his best days about 90% of the time.

Can anyone even name 5 bad games Rondo has had this year?

Again, bad is relative, but if we are going to compare him to the way he plays on his good nights (and elite players do not vary all that much), here are a few bad games over the last few weeks:

@ Milwaukee last night
@ LA Clippers
@ Denver
@ Charlotte
@ Pheonix 1/28
@ Portland 1/27

[Celtics/Run]

There have been many more good Rondos than bad.

I disagree.  I think "Bad" Rondo shows up more often than "Good" Rondo.

Of course, I think at times it is a bit of an unfair label, since "Bad" Rondo is still significantly better than any PG we have seen in Boston in years.  But the fact that we know he can be significantly better if he is completely focussed has spoiled us a bit, and I think if he is going to make that leap to superstar status that some people think he is capable of, he is going to have to learn to play closer to he does on his best days about 90% of the time.

Can anyone even name 5 bad games Rondo has had this year?

Again, bad is relative, but if we are going to compare him to the way he plays on his good nights (and elite players do not vary all that much), here are a few bad games over the last few weeks:

@ Milwaukee last night
@ LA Clippers
@ Denver
@ Charlotte
@ Pheonix 1/28
@ Portland 1/27

2 points 11 assists and 7 rebounds in a win against LAC isn't bad.

Against CHA he had 10 points and 14 assists with 5 rebounds

[Chris]

There have been many more good Rondos than bad.

I disagree.  I think "Bad" Rondo shows up more often than "Good" Rondo.

Of course, I think at times it is a bit of an unfair label, since "Bad" Rondo is still significantly better than any PG we have seen in Boston in years.  But the fact that we know he can be significantly better if he is completely focussed has spoiled us a bit, and I think if he is going to make that leap to superstar status that some people think he is capable of, he is going to have to learn to play closer to he does on his best days about 90% of the time.

Can anyone even name 5 bad games Rondo has had this year?

Again, bad is relative, but if we are going to compare him to the way he plays on his good nights (and elite players do not vary all that much), here are a few bad games over the last few weeks:

@ Milwaukee last night
@ LA Clippers
@ Denver
@ Charlotte
@ Pheonix 1/28
@ Portland 1/27

2 points 11 assists and 7 rebounds in a win against LAC isn't bad.

Against CHA he had 10 points and 14 assists with 5 rebounds

If Chris Paul put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.  If Deron Williams put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.  If Derek Rose put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.

Also, you forgot to mention the 6 turnovers in the CHA game, and the 7 turnovers against LAC. 

And besides, it not really about the numbers.  It is about how he played, and in those games, he was defintely not playing like he can.  They lost that game against Charlotte, and barely came away with a win against the Clippers, and Rondo's sloppiness had a lot to do with both of those outcomes.

[wdleehi]

The current inside softness hurts Rondo's game on defense right now.   When he takes chances, there isn't the same level of backup right now. 

[Fafnir]

The current inside softness hurts Rondo's game on defense right now.   When he takes chances, there isn't the same level of backup right now. 

Turnovers have been a bigger issue than his defense for me.

[Celtics/Run]

There have been many more good Rondos than bad.

I disagree.  I think "Bad" Rondo shows up more often than "Good" Rondo.

Of course, I think at times it is a bit of an unfair label, since "Bad" Rondo is still significantly better than any PG we have seen in Boston in years.  But the fact that we know he can be significantly better if he is completely focussed has spoiled us a bit, and I think if he is going to make that leap to superstar status that some people think he is capable of, he is going to have to learn to play closer to he does on his best days about 90% of the time.

Can anyone even name 5 bad games Rondo has had this year?

Again, bad is relative, but if we are going to compare him to the way he plays on his good nights (and elite players do not vary all that much), here are a few bad games over the last few weeks:

@ Milwaukee last night
@ LA Clippers
@ Denver
@ Charlotte
@ Pheonix 1/28
@ Portland 1/27

2 points 11 assists and 7 rebounds in a win against LAC isn't bad.

Against CHA he had 10 points and 14 assists with 5 rebounds

If Chris Paul put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.  If Deron Williams put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.  If Derek Rose put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.

Also, you forgot to mention the 6 turnovers in the CHA game, and the 7 turnovers against LAC. 

And besides, it not really about the numbers.  It is about how he played, and in those games, he was defintely not playing like he can.  They lost that game against Charlotte, and barely came away with a win against the Clippers, and Rondo's sloppiness had a lot to do with both of those outcomes.

Now it's about other point guards? Rondo doesn't get half of their usage. When did Rondo have to be greater than those players?

[Chris]

The current inside softness hurts Rondo's game on defense right now.   When he takes chances, there isn't the same level of backup right now. 

Turnovers have been a bigger issue than his defense for me.

Yeah, the defense has always been an issue, and Krstic has actually done a nice job the last few games hedging to stop penetration.  

For me, just the overall sloppiness is what is most frustrating.  Even when he is not turning the ball over, there is a marked difference in the care he puts in passing the ball against good teams versus bad teams.  

[Chris]

There have been many more good Rondos than bad.

I disagree.  I think "Bad" Rondo shows up more often than "Good" Rondo.

Of course, I think at times it is a bit of an unfair label, since "Bad" Rondo is still significantly better than any PG we have seen in Boston in years.  But the fact that we know he can be significantly better if he is completely focussed has spoiled us a bit, and I think if he is going to make that leap to superstar status that some people think he is capable of, he is going to have to learn to play closer to he does on his best days about 90% of the time.

Can anyone even name 5 bad games Rondo has had this year?

Again, bad is relative, but if we are going to compare him to the way he plays on his good nights (and elite players do not vary all that much), here are a few bad games over the last few weeks:

@ Milwaukee last night
@ LA Clippers
@ Denver
@ Charlotte
@ Pheonix 1/28
@ Portland 1/27

2 points 11 assists and 7 rebounds in a win against LAC isn't bad.

Against CHA he had 10 points and 14 assists with 5 rebounds

If Chris Paul put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.  If Deron Williams put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.  If Derek Rose put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.

Also, you forgot to mention the 6 turnovers in the CHA game, and the 7 turnovers against LAC. 

And besides, it not really about the numbers.  It is about how he played, and in those games, he was defintely not playing like he can.  They lost that game against Charlotte, and barely came away with a win against the Clippers, and Rondo's sloppiness had a lot to do with both of those outcomes.

Now it's about other point guards? Rondo doesn't get half of their usage. When did Rondo have to be greater than those players?

Please re-read my posts.  I said that "bad" is a relative term.

If Rondo is being considered and elite player (and I think he has to be one if they want to win the championship), then he needs to be more consistent, like the other elite PGs are. 

[Celtics/Run]

There have been many more good Rondos than bad.

I disagree.  I think "Bad" Rondo shows up more often than "Good" Rondo.

Of course, I think at times it is a bit of an unfair label, since "Bad" Rondo is still significantly better than any PG we have seen in Boston in years.  But the fact that we know he can be significantly better if he is completely focussed has spoiled us a bit, and I think if he is going to make that leap to superstar status that some people think he is capable of, he is going to have to learn to play closer to he does on his best days about 90% of the time.

Can anyone even name 5 bad games Rondo has had this year?

Again, bad is relative, but if we are going to compare him to the way he plays on his good nights (and elite players do not vary all that much), here are a few bad games over the last few weeks:

@ Milwaukee last night
@ LA Clippers
@ Denver
@ Charlotte
@ Pheonix 1/28
@ Portland 1/27

2 points 11 assists and 7 rebounds in a win against LAC isn't bad.

Against CHA he had 10 points and 14 assists with 5 rebounds

If Chris Paul put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.  If Deron Williams put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.  If Derek Rose put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.

Also, you forgot to mention the 6 turnovers in the CHA game, and the 7 turnovers against LAC. 

And besides, it not really about the numbers.  It is about how he played, and in those games, he was defintely not playing like he can.  They lost that game against Charlotte, and barely came away with a win against the Clippers, and Rondo's sloppiness had a lot to do with both of those outcomes.

Now it's about other point guards? Rondo doesn't get half of their usage. When did Rondo have to be greater than those players?

Please re-read my posts.  I said that "bad" is a relative term.

If Rondo is being considered and elite player (and I think he has to be one if they want to win the championship), then he needs to be more consistent, like the other elite PGs are. 

You brought up their names. What Rondo is doing has pushed them to first place in the East while leading the league in steals/assists. He may be the third best rebounder on this team.

[BballTim]

There have been many more good Rondos than bad.

Well now we will know for sure!

  A lot of people already do. Are we doing this for all of our players, or is Rondo the only one that people here can readily identify good and bad games from?

Nope. Just Rondo. It's good to keep track of these sorts of things.

Kind of like no one believes any information spread via word of mouth until it is on an official document with a header and a logo.

This is that "official" document.

  Haha. And you're the official, unbiased judge?

Yes 

Someone gets it!

  Someone got it from the start. A new and exciting way to bash Rondo. Knock yourself out.

[BballTim]

If Chris Paul put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.  If Deron Williams put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.  If Derek Rose put up those numbers, it would be considered bad.

Also, you forgot to mention the 6 turnovers in the CHA game, and the 7 turnovers against LAC. 

And besides, it not really about the numbers.  It is about how he played, and in those games, he was defintely not playing like he can.  They lost that game against Charlotte, and barely came away with a win against the Clippers, and Rondo's sloppiness had a lot to do with both of those outcomes.

  So you're saying that you watch those other point guards as much as you watch Rondo and you never finish viewing a game saying that they didn't play like they can?

[tgreanier]

This thread is goofy. Rondo has bad games..so does everyone else on every other team. As basketball is supposed to be a team game - and the Celtics among the few in the NBA I know of who actually focus on playing as a team - I do not care if Rondo has a bad game as long as his team picks up the slack. They did it for Pierce when he laid an egg. They do it for KG and Ray when they look like terrible.

Rajon Rondo is the perfect point guard for the Boston Celtics. I do not want Rose or Wade or Paul or anyone else. Rondo is young and has more to learn, but he is a great point guard with some tendencies to frustrate. So be it.

[Greenbean]

There have been many more good Rondos than bad.

Well now we will know for sure!

  A lot of people already do. Are we doing this for all of our players, or is Rondo the only one that people here can readily identify good and bad games from?

Nope. Just Rondo. It's good to keep track of these sorts of things.

Kind of like no one believes any information spread via word of mouth until it is on an official document with a header and a logo.

This is that "official" document.

  Haha. And you're the official, unbiased judge?

Yes 

Someone gets it!

  Someone got it from the start. A new and exciting way to bash Rondo. Knock yourself out.

I actually started the thread to eventually show there are far less bad games from Rondo than alot of people here seem to think unless I am wrong about it. I say so in the original post. I never bash Rondo. I love his game and think it is ludacris to suggest that he be traded after every bad game he has.

See this thread and my posts in it...


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