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Why Tim Duncan is overrated and KG is underrated
« on: March 06, 2011, 05:40:40 PM »

Offline OsirusCeltics

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To me KG is the greatest Power Forward to play this game (With honorable mention to Dave DeBusschere, Kevin Mchale, Bob Pettit, and Elvin Hayes)

Honestly I never respected Tim Duncan. Not for him as a person or his unselfishness on the court, but his career.


Duncan is not a power forward. He is a center that plays power forward. He played PF due to him playing with Robinson. Then when he retired, Duncan was too scared to play against Shaq when he was on the Lakers so he stayed in that position.

Also people really overlook how stacked those Spurs teams were. From the '99 team with Avery Johnson, Mario Ellie, Shawn Elliot, Robinson, etc. Then later Kerr, Stephen Jackson,  Ginobili, Parker, etc. Let someone say KG had any body on his team close to that. None of his teammates were no where as good as even one of Duncan's. To me its impressive that KG lead his teams to the playoffs and lost in the WC Finals in 2004 with Sprewell and Cassell as his best teammates

And now on Duncan the player. As crazy as it may sound, Duncan was overrated. He is the perfect example of a system guy. Duncan was the lone player in all those 4 titles, but so was Popovich as a coach. Popovich to me is one of the greatest coaches of all time IMO. One of the best at creating plays, and recognizing the talent he has and utilizing it to its greatest potential to succeed. One of the best half court executing teams. Duncan was not that great an individual talent offensively or defensively. I will admit had a very high BBall IQ and utilized the "system" to perfection and had the physical tools to do so. Not to mention he was the ultimate team player.  He knows exactly where to be and it helps that he is a good passer. But when have you ever seen Duncan put someone in a phone booth defensively or dominated someone offensively? What I'm basically saying is Duncan's greatness is predicated on Popovich's off and deff sets.

KG on the other hand never had a steady coach on the Wolves except for Flip Saunders for a few years. Was the anchor on defense on a poor defensive team. One of the best defensive players of any position IMO. An exceptional passer. Also one of the best footwork for a big man. Only Mchale and Olajuwon are in his league in that regard. Duncan's defense is again a "system" defense. He plays good defense on only power forwards since he really is a center anyway lol

To say Duncan is the best because of his titles is wrong, given his very talented teammates and hall of fame coach. Is Kobe better than Oscar Robertson because of his 5 titles? Um..hell no. Duncan is not in the same league as KG

This is not a shot at Duncan to make KG look good. I am simply stating that he is not the player people portray him to be. Duncan should still be in the Hall of Fame obviously, but not in that all time elite status. KG, instead of Duncan, should be regarded as the greatest PF to ever play
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Re: Why Tim Duncan is overrated
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2011, 05:47:01 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2011, 05:48:23 PM »

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I thought I was going to be reading a post about why Duncan is overrated, not why you love KG. You don't have to downgrade Duncan's abilities in order to lift up KG's. I think about 99% of the basketball watching world would say you are wrong, including myself.

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2011, 05:50:52 PM »

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I give this thread my "This post is silly" stamp.
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Duncan was not that great an individual talent offensively or defensively.

Sorry, but that's just not remotely true at all.  Offensively, he's averaged 20.7 points for his career (including a career high of 25.5 points per game in 2002).  Defensively, he was on the All-Defense team 13 times.  

Also, I don't really understand the "he isn't a PF" argument.  As I understand it, you argue that he actually played PF, but that he *should* have been a center?  Doesn't that make him a power forward?  Heck, KG is 7'1"; shouldn't he have played center by your logic, as well?


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I disagree. Duncan is a force and I do like KG, probably my favorite Celtic player besides Ray Allen, but Duncan playing PF I think is more of a style by the Spurs. The Spurs were doing back then what the Lakers are doing now. Duncan developed an mid range shot and Gasol is learning. Duncan is a great PF/C and will be a HOFer some day... same as KG.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2011, 05:56:36 PM »

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Career highlights and awards
4× NBA Champion (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007)
3× NBA Finals MVP (1999, 2003, 2005)
2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2002–2003)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1998)
13× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2011)
9× All-NBA First Team (1998–2005, 2007)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2006, 2008–2009)
All-NBA Third Team (2010)
8× All-Defensive First Team (1999–2003, 2005, 2007–2008)
5× All-Defensive Second Team (1998, 2004, 2006, 2009–2010)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1998)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2000)
USBWA College Player of the Year (1997)
Naismith College Player of the Year (1997)
John Wooden Award (1997)
2× ACC Player of the Year (1996–1997)

Looks real over-rated to me. The guy is one of the best ever plain and simple.

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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2011, 06:06:42 PM »

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Because of team success.

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To me KG is the greatest Power Forward to play this game (With honorable mention to Dave DeBusschere, Kevin Mchale, Bob Pettit, and Elvin Hayes)

Wow, no love for Malone or Barkley?

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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2011, 06:23:51 PM »

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He's a great player and a classy guy. If anything I feel like I don't hear that much about him compared to KG (maybe that's because I live in Boston). I also think he and KG are very different players. KG is fiery while Duncan is quiet and unassuming, but both lead in different ways.

Anyway to refute your claims that he's overrated. He was the #1 pick of the 1997 draft, which was not as great as the '96 draft but still produced Chauncey Billups and Tracy McGrady.

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Just check how many titles Duncan has and how many KG has and you will know why. Please.
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Why Tim Duncan is overrated and KG is underrated
Let me guess, because Duncan plays for the Spurs, and Garnett plays for the Celtics...  :o
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Why Tim Duncan is overrated and KG is underrated
Let me guess, because Duncan plays for the Spurs, and Garnett plays for the Celtics...  :o

lol. 

The epitomy of homerism.

What PosImpos, kozoldoev, and ejplaya said...among many others.

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Also people really overlook how stacked those Spurs teams were. From the '99 team with Avery Johnson, Mario Ellie, Shawn Elliot, Robinson, etc. Then later Kerr, Stephen Jackson,  Ginobili, Parker, etc.

In any other context, I would assume this to be egregiously sarcastic.

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I tend to disagree.  I think the majority of people judge the two pretty accurately.  I certainly don't believe either is egregiously rated by most rational basketball observers.


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