Danny: "Jeff Green could be a better defender than Perk Right Now and in future"

[BudweiserCeltic]

He has had good games against good centers, but it's obvious that he gets lots of help in instances like the Orlando game when Howard has a very productive first half, but is a non factor in the second half. Not because Perk is a immovable force, but because Doc steps up the perimeter defense. When you have guys like Rondo, Pierce and Ray bothering the ballhandler on the perimeter it really helps Perk deny the ball.

What?

The reason Perkins defense is so valuable against the likes of Howard is because he's able to slow him down without the need for doubles.

By not sending doubles to stop Howard in the low post, Boston was able to stay at home with Orlando's perimeter players/shooters, severely limiting their production.

The value Perkins adds to a team like the Thunder is easy to understand: in their last game vs. the Lakers, Gasol and Bynum scored 34 points in 20 shots. It was easier for them to establish position deep, almost under the basket, seal their man and get an high percentage shot over a smaller defender. With Perkins there, this wouldn't and won't happen.

You got short term memory? How about 33 points in 20 shots? And 46 in 20 shots?

Because yes, under a year ago, that happened to us with Perkins playing. And no, it wasn't game 7.

You have troubles with reading comprehension or something?
I wrote it won't happen to OKC, not that it didn't happen to Boston. I mean, isn't it written in a clear enough way? How is it possible to miss that?

I know what you wrote. I'm questioning your logic of how it won't happen in OKC when it has happened on Boston, who is a much superior defensive team.

So, it can happen to Boston but it wont happen to OKC because Perk is there? Great.

[Bankshot]

Baby has defended Howard better than Perk lately.  Just because we don't have Perk, doesn't mean we can't still guard Howard one on one.  Baby kept Howard further away from the basket and you don't have to worry too much about Howard shooting over Baby because he's not a great shooter.

[BballTim]

Perk always gets a lot of credit for his defense, but I'm wondering, is there any statistical evidence that shows he better than any other player?  

Has he been known to shutdown ever start center he matches up with?  For shot blocks he's second tier, for rebounds he's closer to the bottom of the pack.  I don't believe he's made any All NBA Defensive teams.  

I would certainly call him better than average at defending.  But I'm not quite sure if he's at elite level or close to it.

  Statistically he's always among the top post defenders. And, considering Wilt averaged almost 30 a game against Russell, what would entail shutting down centers he matches up against?

  

[droponov]

Perk always gets a lot of credit for his defense, but I'm wondering, is there any statistical evidence that shows he better than any other player?

Yes.



There's more though. For example, against Pau Gasol he allowed 0.78 points per play,  40.0% shooting, 7.4 shooting foul percentage, while Gasol scores at a 0.98 ppp versus the rest of the league.

 

Has he been known to shutdown ever start center he matches up with?  

Yes.

For shot blocks he's second tier, for rebounds he's closer to the bottom of the pack.

 
Wrong. He lead the Celtics in rebounding last season and was leading this one too. To claim he's closer to the bottom of the pack is truly bizarre.

He was also 9th in Blk% for NBA players who logged more than 1500 minutes last season. Maybe that qualifies him as second tier in your vies, but it's still a top-10 position.

But I'm not quite sure if he's at elite level or close to it.

Considering what you wrote, that's not surprising. But he is.

[droponov]

I know what you wrote.

If you know what I wrote, you had some troubles expressing yourself, right?

Just watch how both teams defend, the amount of help they send and you'll figure it out.

[greg683x]

I like Perk and I do think hes a good defender, but as far as our success against D12 goes, I think it more has to do with us as a team making a concerted effort to beat Dwight down the floor and keep him out of the paint, because the mans best offensive move is being able to get up high enough over everyone and dunk.  Take that away and his effectiveness drops dramatically.

Im not saying you can throw any center out there and he'll be able to shut down Dwight, but I definitely am starting to think Perkins wasnt this magical D12 stopper

[BudweiserCeltic]

I know what you wrote.

If you know what I wrote, you had some troubles expressing yourself, right?

Just watch how both teams defend, the amount of help they send and you'll figure it out.

Nope, just thought it was quite obvious where I was going with my line of thinking.

But yeah, we'll see. He'll have some very good games against them, but the assertion that Gasol and Bynum can't have dominant games just because Perk is there is quite flawed. Foul trouble, minutes, played, etc. goes into it. And when those two guys are on, there's not much Perk can do about it.

[birdwatcher]

Perk always gets a lot of credit for his defense, but I'm wondering, is there any statistical evidence that shows he better than any other player?

Yes.



There's more though. For example, against Pau Gasol he allowed 0.78 points per play,  40.0% shooting, 7.4 shooting foul percentage, while Gasol scores at a 0.98 ppp versus the rest of the league.

 

Has he been known to shutdown ever start center he matches up with?  

Yes.

For shot blocks he's second tier, for rebounds he's closer to the bottom of the pack.

 
Wrong. He lead the Celtics in rebounding last season and was leading this one too. To claim he's closer to the bottom of the pack is truly bizarre.

He was also 9th in Blk% for NBA players who logged more than 1500 minutes last season. Maybe that qualifies him as second tier in your vies, but it's still a top-10 position.

But I'm not quite sure if he's at elite level or close to it.

Considering what you wrote, that's not surprising. But he is.

Dwight Howard has 8pts & 6rbs right now against the Heat who are up by 20...He's being guarded by Eric Dampier & Big Z. Now, why didn't OKC trade for them? LOL. Eric Dampier is making D12 a non factor--he must be one of the BEST DEFENSIVE CENTERS IN THE LEAGUE!!!

[barefacedmonk]

Considering what you wrote, that's not surprising. But he is.

Dwight Howard has 8pts & 6rbs right now against the Heat who are up by 20...He's being guarded by Eric Dampier & Big Z. Now, why didn't OKC trade for them? LOL. Eric Dampier is making D12 a non factor--he must be one of the BEST DEFENSIVE CENTERS IN THE LEAGUE!!!

I don't know where droponov got those numbers from...but it says "since 2007-2008"...so how is one game performance vs performance since 2007-2008 equal?

[droponov]

Perk always gets a lot of credit for his defense, but I'm wondering, is there any statistical evidence that shows he better than any other player?

Yes.



There's more though. For example, against Pau Gasol he allowed 0.78 points per play,  40.0% shooting, 7.4 shooting foul percentage, while Gasol scores at a 0.98 ppp versus the rest of the league.

 

Has he been known to shutdown ever start center he matches up with?  

Yes.

For shot blocks he's second tier, for rebounds he's closer to the bottom of the pack.

 
Wrong. He lead the Celtics in rebounding last season and was leading this one too. To claim he's closer to the bottom of the pack is truly bizarre.

He was also 9th in Blk% for NBA players who logged more than 1500 minutes last season. Maybe that qualifies him as second tier in your vies, but it's still a top-10 position.

But I'm not quite sure if he's at elite level or close to it.

Considering what you wrote, that's not surprising. But he is.

Dwight Howard has 8pts & 6rbs right now against the Heat who are up by 20...He's being guarded by Eric Dampier & Big Z. Now, why didn't OKC trade for them? LOL. Eric Dampier is making D12 a non factor--he must be one of the BEST DEFENSIVE CENTERS IN THE LEAGUE!!!

Is this post to take seriously? Honest question. I really can't tell.

[droponov]

I like Perk and I do think hes a good defender, but as far as our success against D12 goes, I think it more has to do with us as a team making a concerted effort to beat Dwight down the floor and keep him out of the paint, because the mans best offensive move is being able to get up high enough over everyone and dunk.  Take that away and his effectiveness drops dramatically.

Im not saying you can throw any center out there and he'll be able to shut down Dwight, but I definitely am starting to think Perkins wasnt this magical D12 stopper

I think Celtics fans have started thinking that after the trade happened because they feel insecure about the trade. I don't remember many people questioning Perkins defensive ability before it If someone had suggested to trade Perkins for Green 2 weeks ago, I think the suggestion would be met with widespread opposition.

There's no reason for that insecurity though.

I liked the trade and I think the Celtics get better, but Perkins is arguably a top-5, top-6 defensive center and a top-3 low post defender, if not the best in the league. An elite defensive player.Green is nowhere near that level and, defending PFs, has been an extremely poor defender in his NBA career. He has potential to be a good defender at the 3, but his production so far puts him as one of the worst defenders in the entire league. But it's possible to acknowledge this and still like the trade.

[RockinRyA]

Has Danny ever been this wrong?  Perk is one of the best straight up defenders in the league.  Green's versatility (which he doesn't even have that much of) doesn't put him close.  How does Green fit better?  Is there anybody in the league that would be a better anchor in the frontcourt with Kevin Garnett?  Perk is capable of completely shutting down any center in the league other than possibly Bogut and Lopez.  And the help defense between him and KG was scary.

How many games back was he when let Howard score 14 in the first quarter?  I think it was one of his first starting.  And how many did Howard score in the second half??

Also when did Perk ever have any lift?

Baby was actually the one guarding Dwight when he was limited in the second half. Perk is still the big unmovable object he was before, same as his defensive IQ. But he lost a bit of mobility and his shotblocking is almost 0 at this time.

[droponov]

I know what you wrote.

If you know what I wrote, you had some troubles expressing yourself, right?

Just watch how both teams defend, the amount of help they send and you'll figure it out.

Nope, just thought it was quite obvious where I was going with my line of thinking.

But yeah, we'll see. He'll have some very good games against them, but the assertion that Gasol and Bynum can't have dominant games just because Perk is there is quite flawed. Foul trouble, minutes, played, etc. goes into it. And when those two guys are on, there's not much Perk can do about it.

I don't really understand whatever you've been trying to say.

He makes OKC a much more competitive team because it improves their defense and particularly more competitive versus LAL because their post defense and rebounding got a lot better. Ibaka/Perkins with Collison and Mohammed as backups is a huge improvement over Green+Krstic with Ibaka and Collison off the bench. That's all that matters from their viewpoint.

[Dunn]

So after learning how far an unhealthy KG can take this team last year, Danny just figured guys who earned championships don't have any drive. Gee, I'm glad he kept KG, cross my fingers if and when KG gets hurt again. Especially since such a healthy Baby is so awesome vs Dwight, Bynum, and Gasol. Wait no sorry, that's Perk's rep actually. It's his job to advertise his moves since most outside Boston thinks he's lost it. I'm sure he's right about what Jeff Green can be, but reputations are there for reasons, and Jeff was said to not be defensively stout. Danny could've just stayed on his contract excuse as to his motives. He didn't need to do the bs act of trying to sway the fans still upset with the move. Next week, we'll find out Perk had problems with his teammates I'm sure. We have no choice but to move on, time he did.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I know what you wrote.

If you know what I wrote, you had some troubles expressing yourself, right?

Just watch how both teams defend, the amount of help they send and you'll figure it out.

Nope, just thought it was quite obvious where I was going with my line of thinking.

But yeah, we'll see. He'll have some very good games against them, but the assertion that Gasol and Bynum can't have dominant games just because Perk is there is quite flawed. Foul trouble, minutes, played, etc. goes into it. And when those two guys are on, there's not much Perk can do about it.

I don't really understand whatever you've been trying to say.

He makes OKC a much more competitive team because it improves their defense and particularly more competitive versus LAL because their post defense and rebounding got a lot better. Ibaka/Perkins with Collison and Mohammed as backups is a huge improvement over Green+Krstic with Ibaka and Collison off the bench. That's all that matters from their viewpoint.

I'm not arguing that he makes them a better team. I just questioned that a team with two dominant bigs can't have great games against a team just because they feature Perk. That's all.

Along those lines, as much as Perk is effective at times against them, they have also seem quite effective against Perk in a good portion of the latest games, particularly because Gasol and Bynum are long players. Bynum plays above the rim and he's capable of getting position against Perk, though doesn't always manages to.

Gasol doesn't need to get position on Perk to be effective. He can shoot quite comfortably with Perk. Perk is mainly effective against Gasol, when he dupes him into playing a physical game.

In all these two are not Dwight Howard (though Howard has a much polished offensive game this year), they're quite skillful and that Perk can be effective against them is not a certainty. Plus they're two players.

Now agaisnt Howard he should have a much more success, but we'll see. Perk hasn't been healthy enough to really see how he would do with these new Howard.

Still a very good defensive big, one of the best, but against very skillful offensive player, stopping them is not a certainty.