Author Topic: Danny: "Jeff Green could be a better defender than Perk Right Now and in future"  (Read 33753 times)

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Offline the moops

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How many games back was he when let Howard score 14 in the first quarter?  I think it was one of his first starting.  And how many did Howard score in the second half??
It was Perk's 7th game back.

Howard had 28 for the game. Not sure how many were in the 2nd half.

Offline BudweiserCeltic

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Most promising thing I've seen from Green has been a couple of blocks and a defensive possession that he took Nash on.

Other than that, it's a bit far fetched. That said, Perk is quite hurt at the moment, and I'm going to give the benefit that Green should be better defensively for us this year.

Also, while I think Perk is a very good defender, he's quite a limited defender... limitations he uses to the fullest. For example, he's benefited a great deal from centers that are also very limited offensively.

But his help defense has been excellent in many regards. I'd say his defensive job was one of the most important aspects of stopping LeBron in many of our playoff series, particularly the 1st one (when too much credit was incorrectly given to Posey).

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Most promising thing I've seen from Green has been a couple of blocks and a defensive possession that he took Nash on.

Other than that, it's a bit far fetched. That said, Perk is quite hurt at the moment, and I'm going to give the benefit that Green should be better defensively for us this year.

Also, while I think Perk is a very good defender, he's quite a limited defender... limitations he uses to the fullest. For example, he's benefited a great deal from centers that are also very limited offensively.

But his help defense has been excellent in many regards. I'd say his defensive job was one of the most important aspects of stopping LeBron in many of our playoff series, particularly the 1st one (when too much credit was incorrectly given to Posey).
Posey's legend benefited from that photo where he knocks Lebron's headband down over his eyes.

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I've been very impressed with Green's defense since he's been here.  He seems to be even a bit taller than listed height.  Has very good foot speed and a quick jumper and reads passing lanes well.  I think the perk thing might be a bit easier to figure.  Finally (finally) Dwight Howard has improved his offensive game.  He is no longer a great athlete in a megatron body with a basketball.  Howard is showing that he is probably on his way to an mvp award in the coming years.  So basically Perk and all the starting centers in the nba will not be able to keep him in control.  The rest of orlando isn't that good, so let dwight score and dare someone else to beat you ala bulls early on.  Danny got a center that is nowhere near as good on low post defense against howard BUT howard will have to move away from the hoop or our sharp shooting serb will kill him.  ;)
See where this is going, howard is looking like a 25 pt 10 rb guy, pull him away from the hoop out of rebounding area and either we get offensive rebounds OR lanes open and he isn't around to block shots.  The phoenix game, I don't know if it was their bad defense, but the lanes and passing was great.
I think our team makes tough matchups for other teams, we are that good we don't really have to change our setups to adjust to other teams good players.  Five starters have to be covered (think shaq), our 2nd unit has krstic, davis, green and dwest that have to be covered.  Danny has given the celts LOTS of weapons.

Offline xmuscularghandix

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How can you judge this either way already? His primary/backup position has flipped, he's been on the team for a week without hardly any real practice under his belt.

That being said I've alway like Green AND I've always liked Krstic as a player (I already see people taking note of him as a player.)

Kevin Garnett is one of the best defensive players of all time, I'd argue that Rondo will be when it's all said and done. Paul is nothing to shake your head at.

Everyone who's played with KG over these four years has improved defensively, this kid is Athletic, young, experience, and has zero injury history... why can't he be a great defensive player?




Offline Carhole

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Green has great physical tools to be a strong defender but i his first 3 games he has actually been pretty bad.

He gets to high and stiff. He has lost position and gotten beat by 3's and 4's when he was in a great position to start.

I am operating under the assumption that this is a short term issue tied to switching teams, but it does concern me a little that the fundamentals of playing d were not there (obviously understanding the scheme couldnt be there already)

Loved the athleticism on the chase down block and picking a couple of skip passes but I cant say I have seen enough to say as a couple have that he has been a good defender so far or that he is anywhere near the factor perk was.

That said, I like the trade as long as Shaq/JO can give us minutes in playoffs

Offline Casperian

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Why are Doc and Danny trying so hard to justify these moves? Whats done is done...get back to coaching doc..and let the new players justify your and DA's decision with their on-court performance.

What do you think? Maybe because some people just can´t let go and bring up the same arguments and questions over and over again?
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Offline barefacedmonk

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Why are Doc and Danny trying so hard to justify these moves? Whats done is done...get back to coaching doc..and let the new players justify your and DA's decision with their on-court performance.

What do you think? Maybe because some people just can´t let go and bring up the same arguments and questions over and over again?

You do know that Doc doesn't lurk around on CB, right?
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Offline diehard celtic

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Wow, Danny and Doc keep downing on Perk abilities making him even madder, which could be bad for us if we meet in the Finals... :-[

Offline manl_lui

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i kind of agree with Danny here, we have different bodies to defend against dwight...Shaq and JO, with Krstic and BBD, to KG

3-4 of them are definitely capable of defending Dwight

as for matchups against Miami or the Lakers, we have Pierce, Ray, and rondo defending the likes of Kobe, Lebron and Wade...

Green can and WILL improve on defense...and i believe that Pierce and KG will influence and make him a better defender than he is now...not to mention hes a better scorer compare to Marquis...

hes not going to just transform into a good defender right away but he'll be a better defender in the playoffs compare to now and thats definitely going to be a plus by then...

just look at Wafer...i HATED him in the beginning of the season because he sucks on defense...i think he improved a lot since then...his defense is picking up

Offline 17wasEZ

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Most promising thing I've seen from Green has been a couple of blocks and a defensive possession that he took Nash on.

Other than that, it's a bit far fetched. That said, Perk is quite hurt at the moment, and I'm going to give the benefit that Green should be better defensively for us this year.

Also, while I think Perk is a very good defender, he's quite a limited defender... limitations he uses to the fullest. For example, he's benefited a great deal from centers that are also very limited offensively.

But his help defense has been excellent in many regards. I'd say his defensive job was one of the most important aspects of stopping LeBron in many of our playoff series, particularly the 1st one (when too much credit was incorrectly given to Posey).
Posey's legend benefited from that photo where he knocks Lebron's headband down over his eyes.

Are you saying that it wasn't a great defensive move?  ;D  

Actually, how different would this team be if they had re-signed Posey.  I don't think they would have won the title with him last year, but I believe Perk would still be a Celtic this year  if Posey was still wearing green.
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Wow, Danny and Doc keep downing on Perk abilities making him even madder, which could be bad for us if we meet in the Finals... :-[

I'm not sure. The same ills that plagued Perk when he wore Green will remain now that he is playing for OKC.

I will miss the man, surely..but Doc is on point here - at least from the standpoint of Green guarding multiple positions...and his statement of "Could Be"....JG certainly has the potential for that.

But like I said earlier - in a potential Finals matchup against OKC, Perk can't beat us on his own. He'd be pulled out the paint to guard Nenad, Dropkick, KG, or JO as they can all hit the mid-range J with some consistency.

We would certainly have to watch out for Perk, but he cannot win games on his own - right now with OKC that depends on Durant or Russell.

Offline Casperian

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Why are Doc and Danny trying so hard to justify these moves? Whats done is done...get back to coaching doc..and let the new players justify your and DA's decision with their on-court performance.

What do you think? Maybe because some people just can´t let go and bring up the same arguments and questions over and over again?

You do know that Doc doesn't lurk around on CB, right?

What does CB have to do with it?

Ever heard of words like twitter and social networks? Reporters ask the questions they think people want to have answered (or better: which get a lot of viewers).

Always the same arguments = always the same questions = always the same answers
« Last Edit: March 03, 2011, 08:05:44 PM by Casperian »
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Offline hpantazo

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Wow, Danny and Doc keep downing on Perk abilities making him even madder, which could be bad for us if we meet in the Finals... :-[

I'm not sure. The same ills that plagued Perk when he wore Green will remain now that he is playing for OKC.

I will miss the man, surely..but Doc is on point here - at least from the standpoint of Green guarding multiple positions...and his statement of "Could Be"....JG certainly has the potential for that.

But like I said earlier - in a potential Finals matchup against OKC, Perk can't beat us on his own. He'd be pulled out the paint to guard Nenad, Dropkick, KG, or JO as they can all hit the mid-range J with some consistency.

We would certainly have to watch out for Perk, but he cannot win games on his own - right now with OKC that depends on Durant or Russell.

I think Doc is well on point with his remarks. I love Perk, but my biggest concern for the offseason before the trade was if we should resign him. I was worried about his injury history and spending too much on a player with some serious limitations.

Danny was respectful to Perk to not make any of these comments until after Perk got his extension.

Offline hpantazo

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Most promising thing I've seen from Green has been a couple of blocks and a defensive possession that he took Nash on.

Other than that, it's a bit far fetched. That said, Perk is quite hurt at the moment, and I'm going to give the benefit that Green should be better defensively for us this year.

Also, while I think Perk is a very good defender, he's quite a limited defender... limitations he uses to the fullest. For example, he's benefited a great deal from centers that are also very limited offensively.

But his help defense has been excellent in many regards. I'd say his defensive job was one of the most important aspects of stopping LeBron in many of our playoff series, particularly the 1st one (when too much credit was incorrectly given to Posey).
Posey's legend benefited from that photo where he knocks Lebron's headband down over his eyes.

Are you saying that it wasn't a great defensive move?  ;D  

Actually, how different would this team be if they had re-signed Posey.  I don't think they would have won the title with him last year, but I believe Perk would still be a Celtic this year  if Posey was still wearing green.

I don't think so, Posey is useless now. Danny could have had him on the cheap at the deadline but didn't want him. Not signing him was a very, very smart move in retrospect, as will be trading Perk