Top 5 reasons you can't blame: Danny Ainge for trading Perkins to the Thunder

[dlpin]

I guess Doc simply doesn't know the game of basketball. 

So, does he know the game of basketball when he says that he would do trade again?

[wdleehi]

I guess Doc simply doesn't know the game of basketball. 

So, does he know the game of basketball when he says that he would do trade again?

In the offseason. 


Not during a season that likely will be the last shot at a title with this group.

[CoachBo]

5. Perk is injury Prone

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 4. Perk has no offensive game to speak of

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 3. Perk only has himself to blame for getting traded

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2. Lets get real

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1. We won the Championship in spite of Perkins!!

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5)How odd to claim that we are better off with two gimpy but brave oldsters and no real starting center than we would have been with two gimpy but brave oldsters and a slowed down but still legit starting center.

4)How odd to claim that the Celtics offense, which relies heavily on cohesion and folks knowing the playbook well, is better off without a center who knows how to play with the team, who has been a primary pick and screen setter, etc..

3) How odd to claim that it makes sense to trade your starting center on the verge of the playoffs when you are leading the championship chase, because of a possible future contract issue.

4) How odd to claim that ubuntu didn't matter, to a team whose secret weapon was 'ubuntu'.

5)Yes.  We won a championship despite Perkins, just as the Thunder are driving deep into the playoffs despite Perkins.

Its comical that you took out the explanations, because its symbolic of all the Perk lovers who cover their eyes to Perk's obvious deficiencies

5. Perk is injury prone, really not hard to dispute. Like the poster above stated, he has missed 10 or more games every season due to injury. Injured his shoulder in Game 4 2008, and injured his knee Game 6 2010, Can't count on the guy.
And the fact that Danny replaced Perk with aging old centers doesn't make Perk valuable. He just should've had better replacements

4. The fact that the Celtics had 2 offensive liabilities in Rondo and Perk actually NEGATES ball movement. Teams now had the ability to double off of them and crowd Celtics 3 best players. Instead of creating space for the Big 3 to dominate, they do the opposite. Which is one of the reasons for their notorious scoring droughts. No one can get open

3. Perk... only...played...12...games
When will people understand that? The Celtics were 34-10 and leading the conference when Perk was out and not even playing. All the while Shaq and JO were in and out of the lineup. Then when Perk came back they were 4-5, then we went out again for 2 weeks with an injury to his other knee

2. Theres no way we don't win the championship without Paul, KG, and Ray. No need in even discussing that. The fact that fans think their title hopes were damaged with the Perk trade is a slap in the face to those 3 veterans

1. Perk only averaged 13 min per game in 2008. He wasn't even an important part in the Celtics winning
Game 4 and 6 were the biggest games for the Celtics

Game 4 2008 finals
Perk's minutes played- 13:15
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200806120LAL.html

Game 6 2008 Finals
Perk's Minutes played- 13:25
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200806170BOS.html

And one thing fans fail to realize about Perk on Thunder. Ibaka is now in the starting lineup in the 4 position (playing more minutes than Perk). They became a more conventional half-court team when Jeff Green left for Ibaka to start. Their defense is better because of it

Yeah, the OKC people are starting to realize they didn't have to trade Green to move Ibaka into the starting lineup. Green could have keyed their second unit.

Perkins' abilities have been debated ad nauseum. Bottom line for me is always going to be $36 million. He's not worth the money. Not even close, especially not on a team that needs a couple of significant additions to proceed.

[Redz]

1. Trading Perk was just a smokescreen so no one would get upset about trading Gody.

2.  His cat made him do it.

3. Perk's streak to begin his career by increasing his scoring average each of his first 7 seasons was going to end this year and Danny couldn't bear the pain (though he is rooting for a palindrome effect for the remainder of Perk's career).

4. Jeff Green's a wicked good playah

5. That tempting Thunder first rounder could land us the next JR Giddens.

[SHAQATTACK]

He will never be totally off the hook for this years run.

He has made history for himself and thats a fact.

But, landing a D12 or CP3 franchise type player would help my feeling alot abouyt future runs.

[vinnie]

I guess Doc simply doesn't know the game of basketball. 

So, does he know the game of basketball when he says that he would do trade again?

He said he would have WAITED to do the trade and would not do it again in the middle of the season. This was one of the biggest issues many of us focused on.

[greenpride32]

I guess Doc simply doesn't know the game of basketball. 

So, does he know the game of basketball when he says that he would do trade again?

He said he would have WAITED to do the trade and would not do it again in the middle of the season. This was one of the biggest issues many of us focused on.

But what Doc said is all in hindsight.  In the real world we don't have the benefit of hindsight.  If your preferred starting center was thought to be ready for a healthy return by the entire medical staff, and you have a surplus player then yes you move him to fill a bigger need.  It's a dumb question asked by sports reporters to stir controversy.  It's like asking somebody if they would have bought Microsoft stock in 1985. 

It's a double standard; the Celtics were only dominant this year because of Shaq (27-9 record with him).  We would not have won banner 18 without him.  So you can't say we were dumb to try to rely on him; we really had no choice.

[OsirusCeltics]

I guess Doc simply doesn't know the game of basketball. 

So, does he know the game of basketball when he says that he would do trade again?

He said he would have WAITED to do the trade and would not do it again in the middle of the season. This was one of the biggest issues many of us focused on.

But what Doc said is all in hindsight.  In the real world we don't have the benefit of hindsight.  If your preferred starting center was thought to be ready for a healthy return by the entire medical staff, and you have a surplus player then yes you move him to fill a bigger need.  It's a dumb question asked by sports reporters to stir controversy.  It's like asking somebody if they would have bought Microsoft stock in 1985. 

It's a double standard; the Celtics were only dominant this year because of Shaq (27-9 record with him).  We would not have won banner 18 without him.  So you can't say we were dumb to try to rely on him; we really had no choice.

TP
Exactly what my point was

[ctrey]

Let's take a look at the whole trade. People are leaving out the pick we get is a critical piece to this whole thing. It will most likely be outside the top ten next year somewhere between 11 and 15 in what will be a very deep draft. I want to wait and see what that pick brings us first and foremost.

 Additionally I think it needs to be pointed out that Green played out of position nearly his entire time in OKC. He is a 3 not a 4 where he played and then continued to play here for quite a bit. He actually puts up very good numbers playing the three. On the occasions he played when Durant was unable, his numbers were excellent. I am not saying we will hang his jersey up one day but I would like to see him play at the 3 for an extended time before throwing him under the bus.

We also need to be honest about Perk. He was solid here, but clearly he was a product of the system and fit. Of course it helped immensely playing next to KG and with a pass first point gaurd in Rondo. To say he has not worked out well in OKC is an understatement. It is also important to point out Perk is two years older than Green, has played at his true position his entire career and has only slowly improved. I think it is safe to say that Green has a greater chance to evolve into something better at this point than Perkins.

[wdleehi]

Let's take a look at the whole trade. People are leaving out the pick we get is a critical piece to this whole thing. It will most likely be outside the top ten next year somewhere between 11 and 15 in what will be a very deep draft. I want to wait and see what that pick brings us first and foremost.

 Additionally I think it needs to be pointed out that Green played out of position nearly his entire time in OKC. He is a 3 not a 4 where he played and then continued to play here for quite a bit. He actually puts up very good numbers playing the three. On the occasions he played when Durant was unable, his numbers were excellent. I am not saying we will hang his jersey up one day but I would like to see him play at the 3 for an extended time before throwing him under the bus.

We also need to be honest about Perk. He was solid here, but clearly he was a product of the system and fit. Of course it helped immensely playing next to KG and with a pass first point gaurd in Rondo. To say he has not worked out well in OKC is an understatement. It is also important to point out Perk is two years older than Green, has played at his true position his entire career and has only slowly improved. I think it is safe to say that Green has a greater chance to evolve into something better at this point than Perkins.

We have looked at the whole trade over and over.



I merged it with one of the many Perk trade threads so posters don't need to repeat everything we have already said over and over. 

[Who]

We also need to be honest about Perk. He was solid here, but clearly he was a product of the system and fit. Of course it helped immensely playing next to KG and with a pass first point gaurd in Rondo. To say he has not worked out well in OKC is an understatement.

The only reason Perk is struggling in Oklahoma is because doesn't have his legs back (yet?).

He isn't physically able to be the same player than he was in Boston. Too limited in terms of quickness, agility and overall mobility.

It has nothing to do with the system or his skill-set. His body just isn't right.

Hopefully, Perk will be able to come back strong health wise next season ... because he is a good fit for that team and a valuable role player.

[Gomesfan]

I don't blame him!!! My top reason...... he would not have been the difference this year to get past the Heat...period!