Was trade really necessary??

[KobeShesNotConsenting!]

People just imagine if Green can come in this year and average 24-25 minutes and get 12-13 points this year he'll be big. He'll finally play his right position, have rondo, and all the vets to teach him he might really develop. Next year he can maybe get 30 min a game, 15-17 points a game when used properly by rondo. He has unused potential and I think Ainge is tryin to extend the big 3's lifespan and this might work

[winsomme]

 But I don't think for a minute that DA would have done this trade without some idea that one or both of those guys will be ready.

  I hear this a lot but I don't really agree with it. If Danny can't count on the O'Neals then he can't really afford to go into the playoffs with our title hopes absolutely depending on Perk being able to stay healthy and play big minutes if necessary.

or dependent on Nenad Krstic as our starting center...any way you slice it (trade or no trade), if both the Os and Perk are all injured going into the playoffs we're screwed...

[BballTim]

 But I don't think for a minute that DA would have done this trade without some idea that one or both of those guys will be ready.

  I hear this a lot but I don't really agree with it. If Danny can't count on the O'Neals then he can't really afford to go into the playoffs with our title hopes absolutely depending on Perk being able to stay healthy and play big minutes if necessary.

or dependent on Nenad Krstic as our starting center...any way you slice it (trade or no trade), if both the Os and Perk are all injured going into the playoffs we're screwed...

  So you're claiming that Krstic as our only healthy center is no better than no healthy center? It's time to step back from the ledge.

[cman88]

in regards to people talking about losing defense...the track record of the Celts this year with Shaq, erden, von wafer and nate(to an extent)...all non-defensive players..show that if the celts can get players to buy into their mentality...it doesnt matter who it is,they will play D

so, im not too worried about Kristic, green buying in and excelling. KG will make sure of it.

[Tai]

 But I don't think for a minute that DA would have done this trade without some idea that one or both of those guys will be ready.

  I hear this a lot but I don't really agree with it. If Danny can't count on the O'Neals then he can't really afford to go into the playoffs with our title hopes absolutely depending on Perk being able to stay healthy and play big minutes if necessary.

or dependent on Nenad Krstic as our starting center...any way you slice it (trade or no trade), if both the Os and Perk are all injured going into the playoffs we're screwed...

How is Murphy better than Krstic, again?

[winsomme]

 But I don't think for a minute that DA would have done this trade without some idea that one or both of those guys will be ready.

  I hear this a lot but I don't really agree with it. If Danny can't count on the O'Neals then he can't really afford to go into the playoffs with our title hopes absolutely depending on Perk being able to stay healthy and play big minutes if necessary.

or dependent on Nenad Krstic as our starting center...any way you slice it (trade or no trade), if both the Os and Perk are all injured going into the playoffs we're screwed...

  So you're claiming that Krstic as our only healthy center is no better than no healthy center? It's time to step back from the ledge.

well it's not no starting center...I mean worst case scenario Baby would start but what I'm saying is that in terms of winning a Title, if all those guys are out (ie scenarios where we made the trade or didn't make the trade) we're not going to win a Title...

[BballTim]

 But I don't think for a minute that DA would have done this trade without some idea that one or both of those guys will be ready.

  I hear this a lot but I don't really agree with it. If Danny can't count on the O'Neals then he can't really afford to go into the playoffs with our title hopes absolutely depending on Perk being able to stay healthy and play big minutes if necessary.

or dependent on Nenad Krstic as our starting center...any way you slice it (trade or no trade), if both the Os and Perk are all injured going into the playoffs we're screwed...

  So you're claiming that Krstic as our only healthy center is no better than no healthy center? It's time to step back from the ledge.

well it's not no starting center...I mean worst case scenario Baby would start but what I'm saying is that in terms of winning a Title, if all those guys are out (ie scenarios where we made the trade or didn't make the trade) we're not going to win a Title...

  I don't think I'd guarantee that. We finish a lot of games with Baby and KG as it is, and they're also looking at going with Rondo/RA/PP/Green/KG at times.

[Bankshot]

The answer is obvious.  We had the second best record in basketball without Perk, Delonte, and JO, and with Marquis (who is a mediocre as a SF) backing up Pierce.  All we needed was another average SF to replace Marquis and the return of Delonte and JO would've been more than enough (Perk was already back playing well).

Instead all our hopes and dreams lie on a 38 year old diesel truck being healthy.

But Perk wasn't healthy either and we risked not having one healthy center for the playoffs.  Danny got rid of one that couldn't stay healthy the last few years and got a healthy Krstic and he'll probably get Murphy too.  Perk was hurt both times the Celtics went to the Finals and it's looking like he's headed that way once again. That, coupled with the fact that there was no way he was worth (and no way DA was paying him) 10 million and I say yes, it was necessary.  Rondo and Jeff Green going forward is a more talented and attractive duo (as far as luring free agents) than Perk and Rondo, imo.

I didn't think he was severely hurt both times the Celtics went to the Finals, he just sustained an unfortunate injury in the second to last game.  I also wouldn't say he "couldn't stay healthy the last few years."  You are trying to make him sound like a highly injury-prone player so the trade looks smarter, but that's simply not true.  You have no reason to believe that Perk would've been hurt in this year's finals.  And there was no way we were signing Perk anyway and messing up our cap space so there's no reason to assume we're gonna match whatever offer Green gets.

I also wouldn't say that having the 2 best defensive players at the 2 hardest positions to fill is any less attractive than Rondo + a guy that can't really start at the 3 or 4 on a championship team (and definitely not the 3 considering we already have Pierce under contract).

He was hurt enough the first time to miss a game in the Finals and hurt enough the next time to not only miss a Finals game, but miss a big chunk of the next season.  Considering he's hurt now as well, it's not a stretch to think there's a good chance he won't help you in the playoffs.

[winsomme]

 But I don't think for a minute that DA would have done this trade without some idea that one or both of those guys will be ready.

  I hear this a lot but I don't really agree with it. If Danny can't count on the O'Neals then he can't really afford to go into the playoffs with our title hopes absolutely depending on Perk being able to stay healthy and play big minutes if necessary.

or dependent on Nenad Krstic as our starting center...any way you slice it (trade or no trade), if both the Os and Perk are all injured going into the playoffs we're screwed...

  So you're claiming that Krstic as our only healthy center is no better than no healthy center? It's time to step back from the ledge.

well it's not no starting center...I mean worst case scenario Baby would start but what I'm saying is that in terms of winning a Title, if all those guys are out (ie scenarios where we made the trade or didn't make the trade) we're not going to win a Title...

  I don't think I'd guarantee that. We finish a lot of games with Baby and KG as it is, and they're also looking at going with Rondo/RA/PP/Green/KG at times.

and that's at least one reason why you are not as upset about the trade as I am...I just don't think we can win a Title without that big man advantage...

I think it's why we made it to the precipice last year and ultimately didn't win.

[BballTim]

 But I don't think for a minute that DA would have done this trade without some idea that one or both of those guys will be ready.

  I hear this a lot but I don't really agree with it. If Danny can't count on the O'Neals then he can't really afford to go into the playoffs with our title hopes absolutely depending on Perk being able to stay healthy and play big minutes if necessary.

or dependent on Nenad Krstic as our starting center...any way you slice it (trade or no trade), if both the Os and Perk are all injured going into the playoffs we're screwed...

  So you're claiming that Krstic as our only healthy center is no better than no healthy center? It's time to step back from the ledge.

well it's not no starting center...I mean worst case scenario Baby would start but what I'm saying is that in terms of winning a Title, if all those guys are out (ie scenarios where we made the trade or didn't make the trade) we're not going to win a Title...

  I don't think I'd guarantee that. We finish a lot of games with Baby and KG as it is, and they're also looking at going with Rondo/RA/PP/Green/KG at times.

and that's at least one reason why you are not as upset about the trade as I am...I just don't think we can win a Title without that big man advantage...

I think it's why we made it to the precipice last year and ultimately didn't win.

  We still have the big four, and West and Green and Baby are good bench players. It's not like we're dependent on winning the center matchup to get by. But you're assuming that Krstic can't play reasonably well for us, that Green won't have a major impact and that Perk will be at full strength during the playoffs. None of those things have happened.

[BudweiserCeltic]

People make a big deal about Perk's defense on Howard during the playoff, but keep ignoring that Baby and Sheed where also responsible with keeping Howard in check. And KG to a lesser extent. Though Perk overall has had the biggest success against him, he's not the sole player in the NBA who can guard him.

Shaq is one of those. O'neal is one of those. And we still have Baby and KG.

Perk or no Perk, we still have the big man advantage in the East. How can anyone argue otherwise?

[BudweiserCeltic]

And more importantly, the Magic no longer have Gortat.

[jdpapa3]

And more importantly, the Magic no longer have Gortat.

And a lot of teams are showing this year that you CAN double Dwight and STILL beat the Magic.

[lon3lytoaster]

It'll really be a good trade if we can stop giving Baby anywhere near 30 MPG.

I've really warmed up to Glen, but he just isn't that type of player and once Jeff gets intergrated into our team, I hope he can chip a lot of minutes away from Davis.

I'm happy with this trade and while it might not have been life or death if we made the trade, I think it will make us better once everyone is healthy enough to play.

[winsomme]

 But I don't think for a minute that DA would have done this trade without some idea that one or both of those guys will be ready.

  I hear this a lot but I don't really agree with it. If Danny can't count on the O'Neals then he can't really afford to go into the playoffs with our title hopes absolutely depending on Perk being able to stay healthy and play big minutes if necessary.

or dependent on Nenad Krstic as our starting center...any way you slice it (trade or no trade), if both the Os and Perk are all injured going into the playoffs we're screwed...

  So you're claiming that Krstic as our only healthy center is no better than no healthy center? It's time to step back from the ledge.

well it's not no starting center...I mean worst case scenario Baby would start but what I'm saying is that in terms of winning a Title, if all those guys are out (ie scenarios where we made the trade or didn't make the trade) we're not going to win a Title...

  I don't think I'd guarantee that. We finish a lot of games with Baby and KG as it is, and they're also looking at going with Rondo/RA/PP/Green/KG at times.

and that's at least one reason why you are not as upset about the trade as I am...I just don't think we can win a Title without that big man advantage...

I think it's why we made it to the precipice last year and ultimately didn't win.

  We still have the big four, and West and Green and Baby are good bench players. It's not like we're dependent on winning the center matchup to get by. But you're assuming that Krstic can't play reasonably well for us, that Green won't have a major impact and that Perk will be at full strength during the playoffs. None of those things have happened.

And Green and Krstic being major contributors hasn't happened....I just think, balancing the unknowns, I'd rather be waiting for Perk's return than hoping Krstic somehow plays a lot better than he did in OKC...