Was trade really necessary??

[winsomme]

except for the fact that Perk is out for the next 3 weeks and who knows how he will be moving when he comes back ...

He moved pretty well coming back from a surgery...but a knee sprain casts doubts on his ability to rehab and come back?

fair enough, but Perk coming back healthy for the playoffs is way more likely than Shaq coming back healthy for the playoffs...and Shaq is the plan for starting center in the playoffs.

Shaq is motivated to win over kobe.

Perk had mentioned several times how he was motivated to go up against the Lakers if they were to meet in the finals again. He was quoted as saying that he could have helped on the boards...Gasol wouldn't have dominated that game like he did.

...and I think its fair to assume that every player on our team is very motivated to win a championship. This Shaq wants to win over Kobe makes for good read on espn...nothing else.

yep. everyone knows that if Perk hadn't gone down we'd most likely have two Titles with this squad...

if we had shaq we would have won last year, if ray didn't go 3-14 we would have won. If PP didn't have to play 46 mins he would have without a doubt been much fresher and maybe we score a fewe extra baskets.

It wasn't just perk being out that lostg us game 7, that is such a cop out.

With Jeff Green on the roster ray and PP won't have to play 45+ mins without have a legit scorer/defender to let them rest.

they wouldn't have to play 45 mins with Butler, Wafer, and DWest also....but we'd still have Perk.

[jpurthe1]

DOC was seeing the playoffs from last year al over again with QUIS being out. Maybe PERK out again. They made a decision that they think with Shaq and Green they are better for the playoffs with Perk and QUIS.

I mean last year we were:

Rasheed, Perk, Quis...

This year it is:

Shaq, Green, JO(?), Nenad, Murphy(?)

Come on what do you take?

[jpurthe1]

You are correct but the NBA and STERN would love to get that hype machine going in the playoffs.

Celtics-Lakers rivalry is pretty hyped up as it is...Shaq, Perk or Kobe aren't going to add much to it....and NBA's markeing department does a very good job of hyping up players/series etc. Miami Heat, LeBron etc are all products of this hype machine.

Yes we lost the boards but if our bench scored 5 points we win. We had only 6 points off the bench from 1 guy (BBD).

True. The Bench should have helped more...but Marquis was a member of that bench too...and this trade wouldn't have taken place if he hadn't gone down against Orlando. So we could have met Lakers with almost the same bench again.

Or if Rondo had a reliable jumper, he could have given us those 5 points we needed to win the trophy.

Quis was out for last years finals.

[barefacedmonk]

A lot of assumptions there. Go back and see how that series went and see what assurances you get about Gasol's game and rebounding. None.

Gasol was hard to stop since game 1 with or without Perk. In fact, Game 7 was his worst shooting night.

Obviously, Perk could have helped us in the rebound department. So could have some other center who could have played. Still, there were games when they out rebounded us with Perk in there... so, too much talk.

What needed to happen was for one of our main guys to step up, and none did. And when none of them could step up, we didn't have anyone on the bench to really step up instead of them.

Shaq wants to win over Kobe is not an assumption? I was responding to that.

Yea, there are too many ifs and buts involved..just like we all are assuming now that if we find ourselves in the same situation again, then Greene will be able to help us out.

I'm sure assumptions played a little part in Danny's decision somewhere. So, why try to brush it off by saying "too many assumptions there". Aren't we all ecstatic because we assume that Greene will be our "Posey" this year?

[jpurthe1]

Only time will tell and hope we are here in June holding a banner together...

[barefacedmonk]

hope we are here in June holding a banner together...

+1.

[guava_wrench]

A lot of assumptions there. Go back and see how that series went and see what assurances you get about Gasol's game and rebounding. None.

Gasol was hard to stop since game 1 with or without Perk. In fact, Game 7 was his worst shooting night.

Obviously, Perk could have helped us in the rebound department. So could have some other center who could have played. Still, there were games when they out rebounded us with Perk in there... so, too much talk.

What needed to happen was for one of our main guys to step up, and none did. And when none of them could step up, we didn't have anyone on the bench to really step up instead of them.

We were actually much better for most of the game with Sheed and no Perk. It was when Sheed ran out of gas that we lost.

It was also Sheed's great work in the post on offense in the first half that helped give us the lead. Would that have happened if Perk started? No way to know.

We didn't need Perk. We just needed another OK Center to share load with Sheed. Actually, we just needed Sheed in shape.

The important point is that we can be successful without Perk. It is being shorthanded that doomed us in game 7.

[barefacedmonk]

I don't remember who was available last summer...but DA shouldn't have resigned Marquis if there was even one decent back up SF available. That guy is as fragile as it gets.

[2short]

We got better!! Nate has been the least effective guy on roster (besides Bradley) for some time now.  Perk hasn't helped us to our record this year at all.  He is a very good low post defender and shot blocker.  Besides that he is pretty limited as far as a starting NBA caliber center.  We just added a first rd draft pick, a probable third string center who gives us different things than perk and green who has the length, athletic ability and offense to lead the second unit.  Danny upset the apple cart, isn't that the main issue that has people upset?  Maybe I'm completely wrong but I look at our bench now compared to earlier this year, last year and when we won the title and I'm very very happy.  Come playoff time we now have the ability to end games like we did when posey was here, kg green pp ray rondo.  And no matter where Murphy goes you know Miami will get a center off a buyout, too many bigs names floating around that they aren't going to get someone.  They,ny,Orlando and Chicago will be tough come playoff time.  Adding green helps against all those teams.  He can guard 3 posistions and can help against turk, melo, lebron etc.  If we don't run pp into the ground he can win any close game.

[barefacedmonk]

I guess its time to make peace with this decision. Perk is gone..for better or worse...and I wish him the very best.

I sincerely hope and pray that DA got this right...for me personally, its a championship or bust...we'll be a team on the rebuild very soon...maybe as early as next year...so we have to make this season count. When the Big 3 were first formed, I expected atleast two championships...we already got one..now lets get another one.

[BballTim]

Is adding Green and Kristic and having to figure out how to assimilate them while totally disrupting our starting unit really worth it when our roster could easily have been:

Rondo
Ray
PP
KG
PErk

Nate
DWest
Butler
Murphy
Baby
Shaq
JO
Wafer

what did the trade add that isn't on this roster....and keeping our nasty edge and advantage in the post?

  One thing the trade added was a healthy center.

  You're making 5 assumptions here:

  Perk will be healthy

  Murphy will be bought out

  Butler will be bought out

  Murphy will sign with the Celts

  Butler will sign with the Celts

  If any of those 5 assumptions don't work out then you have problems. Danny knocked that down to 2 assumptions (Murphy being bought out and coming here) and isn't really dependent on those assumptions working out.

[winsomme]

Is adding Green and Kristic and having to figure out how to assimilate them while totally disrupting our starting unit really worth it when our roster could easily have been:

Rondo
Ray
PP
KG
PErk

Nate
DWest
Butler
Murphy
Baby
Shaq
JO
Wafer

what did the trade add that isn't on this roster....and keeping our nasty edge and advantage in the post?

  One thing the trade added was a healthy center.

  You're making 5 assumptions here:

  Perk will be healthy

  Murphy will be bought out

  Butler will be bought out

  Murphy will sign with the Celts

  Butler will sign with the Celts

  If any of those 5 assumptions don't work out then you have problems. Danny knocked that down to 2 assumptions (Murphy being bought out and coming here) and isn't really dependent on those assumptions working out.

but the trade lost us our starting center and made it less clear why Murphy and Butler SHOULD sign with us in our pitch to them (ie making it harder to sign them).

Murphy would be the healthy center to add and frankly should start over Kristic if he signs with us (making the trade even more questionable).

[Bankshot]

DOC was seeing the playoffs from last year al over again with QUIS being out. Maybe PERK out again. They made a decision that they think with Shaq and Green they are better for the playoffs with Perk and QUIS.

I mean last year we were:

Rasheed, Perk, Quis...

This year it is:

Shaq, Green, JO(?), Nenad, Murphy(?)

Come on what do you take?

Yep.  Not to mention both times the Celtics went to the Finals, Perk got hurt.  And now he's hurt again?  That doesn't look promising for the playoffs.  Trade him! lol

[winsomme]

  If any of those 5 assumptions don't work out then you have problems. Danny knocked that down to 2 assumptions (Murphy being bought out and coming here) and isn't really dependent on those assumptions working out.

plus, do we really have problems if we don't sign Butler and Murphy? I mean, the only way not having Kristic (ie trade didn't happen) has any impact on this team is if none of Perk, Shaq, and JO come back to play in the playoffs. and if that happens, we're in trouble any way you slice it (with or without Kristic)

[BballTim]

Is adding Green and Kristic and having to figure out how to assimilate them while totally disrupting our starting unit really worth it when our roster could easily have been:

Rondo
Ray
PP
KG
PErk

Nate
DWest
Butler
Murphy
Baby
Shaq
JO
Wafer

what did the trade add that isn't on this roster....and keeping our nasty edge and advantage in the post?

  One thing the trade added was a healthy center.

  You're making 5 assumptions here:

  Perk will be healthy

  Murphy will be bought out

  Butler will be bought out

  Murphy will sign with the Celts

  Butler will sign with the Celts

  If any of those 5 assumptions don't work out then you have problems. Danny knocked that down to 2 assumptions (Murphy being bought out and coming here) and isn't really dependent on those assumptions working out.

but the trade lost us our starting center and made it less clear why Murphy and Butler SHOULD sign with us in our pitch to them (ie making it harder to sign them).

Murphy would be the healthy center to add and frankly should start over Kristic if he signs with us (making the trade even more questionable).

  According to 82games opposing centers are hitting about 45% of their shots against Krstic. Last year when Murphy played center opponents hit over 57% of their shots against him. I'm guessing your claim that Murphy should start over Krstic is based solely on your aversion to this trade.

  And, again, your plan is based on having a player that wasn't even bought out on our roster. What if he picks another team? What if he hadn't agreed on a buyout?