Was trade really necessary??

[Lord_of_the17Rings]

Why do people keep talking about center depth lost? Our center depth didn't change at all. The only change was with Erden, and he was injured an more than easily replaceable.

And what to we gain? A decent player with a lot of potential and a 1st round pick. A player we actually have a chance of resigning as oppose to Perk. He wasn't going to stay here.

I don't understand your statement about center depth lost.  We lost our best defensive center.  Period.  How is that not losing depth?  Yes, we got Kristic but he doesn't give you the same things as Perk.  They could pick up Powe, Murphy, Michael Olowakandi, Stoiko Vrankavic, and yes, they would technically have "more depth" at center, but what about the quality of the depth?

I am trying so hard, but am just not seeing how we are a better team today than we were before the trade.  In my opinion this move was more about the future than this season.  And to me that just doesn't make sense.  Our window is now.  We are going to have to completely rebuild in another year or two when the big three leave anyways.  Now is our chance to win the title.  Not next year, or the year after.  RIGHT NOW.  As others have said, yes we needed help for Pierce after Daniels went down, but it should have been a smaller move that did not take away a key component.  I am so frustrated right now because it just doesn't make sense.

[jpurthe1]

We lost game 7 to lakers because we had 6 points off the bench and from one guy (BBD).

This trade helps our bench. We need more than just our starters to win. You win with a team. We need as many as 7 - 10 guys either playing d, rebounding, scoring. I think this trade helps in those categories. Our team was playing great without perk this year. Better than last year at the same time frame.

We need health and a deep bench that can board and score. We have more flex ability to play other teams in whatever format they want. We can also make match up problems for other teams.

The name of the game is match ups and we have the match ups. Perk was great with KG but any C will be great with KG.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Quality of the depth and amount of depth are two different arguments to make. If you want to discuss quality we can discuss quality, but let's use terms correctly and avoid confusion.

[jpurthe1]

Quality of the depth and amount of depth are two different arguments to make. If you want to discuss quality we can discuss quality, but let's use terms correctly and avoid confusion.

We have quality depth and with Murphy (maybe) and more depth for DOC and coaches

[winsomme]

Yes is the simple answer. Yes two times is the long one.

But we've already had this conversation like 10 times already since Thursday, so why beat around the bush, you already heard everything that needs to be heard about the pro's and con's.

Well it's a little more pertinent now that Murphy and Butler are apparently available....

two simple additions that give you depth at the wing and a big that can rebound and spread the floor without losing one of your core players.

[winsomme]

Yes is the simple answer. Yes two times is the long one.

But we've already had this conversation like 10 times already since Thursday, so why beat around the bush, you already heard everything that needs to be heard about the pro's and con's.

what kind of numbers do you think Green is going to put up compared to say an addition of Rasual Butler?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Yes is the simple answer. Yes two times is the long one.

But we've already had this conversation like 10 times already since Thursday, so why beat around the bush, you already heard everything that needs to be heard about the pro's and con's.

what kind of numbers do you think Green is going to put up compared to say an addition of Rasual Butler?

200 points.

Seriously, who knows. It all has to play itself out.

[rondohondo]

Danny clearly made a calculated decision . Perk is coming off of major knee surgery where he tore all three ligaments. He came back before the original march schedule early because this is a contract year and he wanted to prove that he was healthy again so he could earn a nice big contract. Within 3  weeks of his return he hurt his other MCL on his healthy knee( now he is out for another 3 weeks ) . That is not a good thing for a big man( I know it is only a sprain, but if he is feeling any pain he will try to take pressure off and not move naturally, putting him at risk for an even worse injury).

Perk has had a lot of injuries the past few seasons that he has played through, but bad knee and big men don't go good together. When you consider the fact that he does only a few things ( granted they are elite)low post defense and an intimidation factor , that is not worth what Perk will be demanding in the off-season(probably in the 8-10 mil range). It is not smart to invest that money in a big man who's game doesn't match well at all without 3 other hall of famers providing offense.

A lot of people are sleeping on Shaq. Did you really expect him to play 60+ games? We all knew that when he came here , he would get a big chunk of games off in the middle of the season to save his body. We also saw how the starting lineup played when Shaq was with them. They were virtually unstoppable and were the most or one of the most efficient offenses of all time through the first 30 games.  Shaq is still a HUGE man and no one dare comes in the lane when he is around , and if they do they will pay for it .

We will have enough big men between KG,BBD,Murphy,Kristic,JO to eat up mins at center ( KG will play center at time with Jeff Green at PF)

Add to the fact that we get a young super athletic/high bb iq wing to finally take Posey's role and a future 1st rd pick, this trade is a no brainer. Jeff Green has a bunch of potential and is a much better fit with Rondo going forward. You are going to love these two on the fast break together .


And not that Danny did this trade for this reason, but we now have a very attractive core of

Rondo
Green
PP

in 2012, the same year Dwight Howard is a free agent , and the C's will have a need for a center.  I am not saying it will happen, but at least we have a chance to have it happen now .

Signing Perk wouldn't have been the smart move to make long term  when you consider the injuries and the limited skills.

[guava_wrench]

Is adding Green and Kristic and having to figure out how to assimilate them while totally disrupting our starting unit really worth it when our roster could easily have been:

Rondo
Ray
PP
KG
PErk

Nate
DWest
Butler
Murphy
Baby
Shaq
JO
Wafer

what did the trade add that isn't on this roster....and keeping our nasty edge and advantage in the post?

How is it disrupting our starting unit? Shaq had started more games this season than Perk and he was quite fine in that role. Perk is out injured right now, so I'm not sure why people are doubting Shaq's ability to play late in the season but bemoaning trading the currently out injured Perk.

Also, losing Perk also hurt us zero percent in our post offense.

The trade added a starting quality backup 3 and a center who is able to contribute over the next few weeks where we will be shorthanded (and Perk will be out injured). It also got rid of Nate -- addition by subtraction.

[jpurthe1]

Yes is the simple answer. Yes two times is the long one.

But we've already had this conversation like 10 times already since Thursday, so why beat around the bush, you already heard everything that needs to be heard about the pro's and con's.

what kind of numbers do you think Green is going to put up compared to say an addition of Rasual Butler?

200 points.

Seriously, who knows. It all has to play itself out.

What guarantees butler comes to Boston. With green it was a guarantee to get him. Plus when healthy our center position was a position of strength. We had to give up some of that strength to fix another position,

This issue was a combination, Perk wanting to make tons more than what we could give and Quis getting hurt which made this deal mandatory for our win now team.

[winsomme]

Is adding Green and Kristic and having to figure out how to assimilate them while totally disrupting our starting unit really worth it when our roster could easily have been:

Rondo
Ray
PP
KG
PErk

Nate
DWest
Butler
Murphy
Baby
Shaq
JO
Wafer

what did the trade add that isn't on this roster....and keeping our nasty edge and advantage in the post?

How is it disrupting our starting unit? Shaq had started more games this season than Perk and he was quite fine in that role. Perk is out injured right now, so I'm not sure why people are doubting Shaq's ability to play late in the season but bemoaning trading the currently out injured Perk.

Also, losing Perk also hurt us zero percent in our post offense.

The trade added a starting quality backup 3 and a center who is able to contribute over the next few weeks where we will be shorthanded (and Perk will be out injured). It also got rid of Nate -- addition by subtraction.

We're talking 3 (going on 4) seasons of these guys being together....yeah this trade has disrupted our starting unit...

plus, Murphy makes Kristic completely unnecessary.

[guava_wrench]

Is adding Green and Kristic and having to figure out how to assimilate them while totally disrupting our starting unit really worth it when our roster could easily have been:

Rondo
Ray
PP
KG
PErk

Nate
DWest
Butler
Murphy
Baby
Shaq
JO
Wafer

what did the trade add that isn't on this roster....and keeping our nasty edge and advantage in the post?

How is it disrupting our starting unit? Shaq had started more games this season than Perk and he was quite fine in that role. Perk is out injured right now, so I'm not sure why people are doubting Shaq's ability to play late in the season but bemoaning trading the currently out injured Perk.

Also, losing Perk also hurt us zero percent in our post offense.

The trade added a starting quality backup 3 and a center who is able to contribute over the next few weeks where we will be shorthanded (and Perk will be out injured). It also got rid of Nate -- addition by subtraction.

We're talking 3 (going on 4) seasons of these guys being together....yeah this trade has disrupted our starting unit...

plus, Murphy makes Kristic completely unnecessary.

You don't have to keep all 5 guys together to win! How many repeat champions kept all their starters together to win? Sometimes you need to change parts to keep things running.

Our starting unit is not disrupted. It will be completed with a veteran who has been with the team for a full season and who has started more games at center for us this season than anyone else.

[jpurthe1]

We won the championship because of shooters and defense.

Where does Perk fix our shooting? Green helps in the scoring department (shooting) and plays D.
Nenad helps in the scoring (shooting) and plays some D.

You have to give to get something done. We only had perk or BBD to give up.

We are able to pay BBD because he is cheaper but Perk wanted more than we could give. I do not want to give up PERK for NOTHING.

Danny did the right thing for the franchise.

He did not put the Franchise off their goal since SIZE is still here and our shooting improved, our winf scoring and defense improved and nate is gone (improvement with dwest).

Murphy, Powe will improve the toughness with Nenad and Shaq and JO.

I am ready to battle the small east teams out there are you?

[winsomme]

Yes is the simple answer. Yes two times is the long one.

But we've already had this conversation like 10 times already since Thursday, so why beat around the bush, you already heard everything that needs to be heard about the pro's and con's.

what kind of numbers do you think Green is going to put up compared to say an addition of Rasual Butler?

200 points.

Seriously, who knows. It all has to play itself out.

What guarantees butler comes to Boston. With green it was a guarantee to get him. Plus when healthy our center position was a position of strength. We had to give up some of that strength to fix another position,

This issue was a combination, Perk wanting to make tons more than what we could give and Quis getting hurt which made this deal mandatory for our win now team.

well before the trade we had a clear spot for Butler...

[jpurthe1]

Yes is the simple answer. Yes two times is the long one.

But we've already had this conversation like 10 times already since Thursday, so why beat around the bush, you already heard everything that needs to be heard about the pro's and con's.

what kind of numbers do you think Green is going to put up compared to say an addition of Rasual Butler?

200 points.

Seriously, who knows. It all has to play itself out.

What guarantees butler comes to Boston. With green it was a guarantee to get him. Plus when healthy our center position was a position of strength. We had to give up some of that strength to fix another position,

This issue was a combination, Perk wanting to make tons more than what we could give and Quis getting hurt which made this deal mandatory for our win now team.

well before the trade we had a clear spot for Butler...

Does not mean he would come here...he might want to go back to Miami or Chicago. We have green a guarantee with a trade.