Didn't realize how bad and worthless a Player Perk is until today

[Casperian]

Love the man, but the player is insanely overrated around here.

Leon Powe, Bill Walker and Tony Allen's departure got more people riled up on this blog than Perk's....so, I guess we overrate all our players.

I can only speak for myself, but I liked all three of those trades/departures, and still do.

[Celtics4ever]

I don't think he was worthless but some here are acting as if we traded Larry Bird or the like.   

Another case of classic overvaluation of our guys.  I recall when peeps where mad about traded Delonte as part of the package of Ray Allen.   Whenever you get the best player in a trade you win.  We got the player with the most upside in the trade in Green. 

[Roy H.]

I do find it funny, reading some posters (a minority, still) calling Perk "worthless" and a "bum".  I especially enjoyed the comparison to Greg Kite.

The fact is, one of the best GMs in the NBA just gave up two starters (from a good playoff team) and a potential lottery pick for him.  Perk is valued around the league, even if some on CB don't think so.

[csfansince60s]

On Thursday, the day of the trade, I got into my car at Dennis Highlands after 18 holes of paradise after being cooped up all winter on the North Shore.

I turned on the radio, and all hell was breaking loose on 850 and 98.5. People were screaming at the talk jocks about the stupidity of the trade. Oblivious to what was going on, I called my son who was in a computer lab at his college.

I blurted out to him, "What the heck happened? They traded Perk?" He then told me the details of the trade and I was dumbfounded. Then I listened for the next 2 solid hours on my way home to both 850 and 98.5 and almost every caller (95% conservatively) and all but one talk jock of the 5 or 6 they had on and experts thought Danny had lost his mind.

This same sentiment permeated this blog all day Thursday and Friday. The poll that was taken here was overwhelmingly against the trade. (66% to 33% or thereabouts).(I won't say how I voted, but my posts are pretty clear about my position, which, after the initial shock and visceral reaction, hasn't changed and has only become more affirmed).

This trade has caused great divisions on this board. Emotions are still high. Both sides are getting real righteous. Lots of sniping and vitriol amongst ourselves.

The anti-trade people can't believe that the pro-trade people would turn on one of their own in KP, someone who has bled and sweated green his whole career.

The pro-trade people can't believe that the anti-trade people can't see the obvious merits of the trade both now and in the future, given KP's impending free agency and durability issues now and in the future.

Hyperbole rules the day. Posts with inflammatory, sarcastic and hyperbolic titles like this one and the other sides "Potentially one of the  best trades in Cs history" underscore all of our passions for one thing we all have in common: the Cs.

Let's celebrate that and not all this other bullEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.. (Sorry, I'm impassioned!!!)

[Greenbean]

People be crazy

[Tai]

In a way, it's kinda nice that c's fans overrate perk so much, and are so fiercely loyal to him. Says alot about the kind of fans we have and what we like in our players. We're loyal. Unlike if you go over to lakersgrounds and see multiple threads about trading pau gasol and how he's a bum, even though he's the reason they have won the last two titles (I know the mvp of that team is probably kobe, but where were they before that?). So I'm fine with people thinking perk was more than he was.

TP. I go on the ESPN Boards, and it was hilarious everyone wanting to trade the whole team (except Kobe?) and their mothers after every loss on the Lakers board.

[kozlodoev]

I do find it funny, reading some posters (a minority, still) calling Perk "worthless" and a "bum".  I especially enjoyed the comparison to Greg Kite.

The fact is, one of the best GMs in the NBA just gave up two starters (from a good playoff team) and a potential lottery pick for him.  Perk is valued around the league, even if some on CB don't think so.

It is equally funny to see how some people feel as if we just traded away the second coming of Bill Russell. Make no mistake, Perkins is good. But he's certainly not irreplaceable, and there are at least 4 player more important than him on the roster.

[Casperian]

I do find it funny, reading some posters (a minority, still) calling Perk "worthless" and a "bum".  I especially enjoyed the comparison to Greg Kite.

The fact is, one of the best GMs in the NBA just gave up two starters (from a good playoff team) and a potential lottery pick for him.  Perk is valued around the league, even if some on CB don't think so.

What exactly makes Sam Presti one of the best GM´s in the nba? Because Bill Simmons said so? Because Kevin Pritchard took Greg Oden and the Zombies were able to land Durant?

The only impressive thing Presti has ever done was drafting Westbrook at #4, and I did the same in that year´s mock draft. OKC hasn´t won anything, yet, it´s a bit too early to call Presti one of the best GM´s in the league.

To be honest, Danny´s track record is way more impressive than Presti´s, in my opinion. Same goes for guys like Daryl Morey or R.C. Buford.

[CoachBo]

These deals always are a reminder how effectively the NBA has marketed individuals rather than teams. I'm always amazed how much more invested people are in their favorite players than the teams they play on.

It's probably the years I spent on the bench, but the only thing I'm invested in is winning. Individuals? Nah. I don't care who wears any uniform I'm associated with as long as they're a winning player. NEVER going to get all maudlin about the departure of anyone.

[CoachBo]

I do find it funny, reading some posters (a minority, still) calling Perk "worthless" and a "bum".  I especially enjoyed the comparison to Greg Kite.

The fact is, one of the best GMs in the NBA just gave up two starters (from a good playoff team) and a potential lottery pick for him.  Perk is valued around the league, even if some on CB don't think so.

What exactly makes Sam Presti one of the best GM´s in the nba? Because Bill Simmons said so? Because Kevin Pritchard took Greg Oden and the Zombies were able to land Durant?

The only impressive thing Presti has ever done was drafting Westbrook at #4, and I did the same in that year´s mock draft. OKC hasn´t won anything, yet, it´s a bit too early to call Presti one of the best GM´s in the league.

To be honest, Danny´s track record is way more impressive than Presti´s, in my opinion. Same goes for guys like Daryl Morey or R.C. Buford.

Yeah, Sam Presti was the same GM who got thoroughly pantsed by Ainge in the Ray Allen deal. I think I'd be fairly careful about elevating him into the pantheon of NBA general managers.

[Greenbean]

I do find it funny, reading some posters (a minority, still) calling Perk "worthless" and a "bum".  I especially enjoyed the comparison to Greg Kite.

The fact is, one of the best GMs in the NBA just gave up two starters (from a good playoff team) and a potential lottery pick for him.  Perk is valued around the league, even if some on CB don't think so.

What exactly makes Sam Presti one of the best GM´s in the nba? Because Bill Simmons said so? Because Kevin Pritchard took Greg Oden and the Zombies were able to land Durant?

The only impressive thing Presti has ever done was drafting Westbrook at #4, and I did the same in that year´s mock draft. OKC hasn´t won anything, yet, it´s a bit too early to call Presti one of the best GM´s in the league.

To be honest, Danny´s track record is way more impressive than Presti´s, in my opinion. Same goes for guys like Daryl Morey or R.C. Buford.

Yeah, Sam Presti was the same GM who got thoroughly pantsed by Ainge in the Ray Allen deal. I think I'd be fairly careful about elevating him into the pantheon of NBA general managers.

To be fair, who would have thought Ray would be this good for this long? Point taken though.

[vinnie]

I do find it funny, reading some posters (a minority, still) calling Perk "worthless" and a "bum".  I especially enjoyed the comparison to Greg Kite.

The fact is, one of the best GMs in the NBA just gave up two starters (from a good playoff team) and a potential lottery pick for him.  Perk is valued around the league, even if some on CB don't think so.

What exactly makes Sam Presti one of the best GM´s in the nba? Because Bill Simmons said so? Because Kevin Pritchard took Greg Oden and the Zombies were able to land Durant?

The only impressive thing Presti has ever done was drafting Westbrook at #4, and I did the same in that year´s mock draft. OKC hasn´t won anything, yet, it´s a bit too early to call Presti one of the best GM´s in the league.

To be honest, Danny´s track record is way more impressive than Presti´s, in my opinion. Same goes for guys like Daryl Morey or R.C. Buford.

Yeah, Sam Presti was the same GM who got thoroughly pantsed by Ainge in the Ray Allen deal. I think I'd be fairly careful about elevating him into the pantheon of NBA general managers.

So I guess since Presti "got pantsed" by DA on the Ray deal that Jeff Green really is not that good of a player. Why are so many so excited about him? (sarcasm here)

[outcry]

In a way, it's kinda nice that c's fans overrate perk so much, and are so fiercely loyal to him. Says alot about the kind of fans we have and what we like in our players. We're loyal. Unlike if you go over to lakersgrounds and see multiple threads about trading pau gasol and how he's a bum, even though he's the reason they have won the last two titles (I know the mvp of that team is probably kobe, but where were they before that?). So I'm fine with people thinking perk was more than he was.

Loyalty and blind idiocy is a fine line. I've never ever been a big fan of Perkins with his cry baby attitude and lack of skill-set on the offensive end. I have ALWAYS felt that way but just never have really said anything about it because it takes away from threads. There's no reason to be insanely loyal to players when they're not loyal to you.

[Las Vegas Asian]

Love the man, but the player is insanely overrated around here.

Leon Powe, Bill Walker and Tony Allen's departure got more people riled up on this blog than Perk's....so, I guess we overrate all our players.

And clearly he is overrated by Sam Presti and Dwight Howard and the other coaches and centers who have claimed that Perk is the toughest defender in the middle for them to play against. It was just so disheartening listening to the calls today. My son finally had to shut the radio off, because it was actually making us both sad.

Perk's d this year was a shell of his play before.  Admit it.  Hell BBD played Howard better on Super Bowl sunday than Perk did.  I think Howard torched Perk for 24 points in the first half.  Doc went with BBD in second half on DH.  

Yep, and all this talk of defense on Howard IMO is overrated as well. We let him get his and run their other players off the 3pt line. When we lose to the Magic it's because their shooters are lighting it up, not because DH12 had a big game.

[CoachBo]

In a way, it's kinda nice that c's fans overrate perk so much, and are so fiercely loyal to him. Says alot about the kind of fans we have and what we like in our players. We're loyal. Unlike if you go over to lakersgrounds and see multiple threads about trading pau gasol and how he's a bum, even though he's the reason they have won the last two titles (I know the mvp of that team is probably kobe, but where were they before that?). So I'm fine with people thinking perk was more than he was.

Loyalty and blind idiocy is a fine line. I've never ever been a big fan of Perkins with his cry baby attitude and lack of skill-set on the offensive end. I have ALWAYS felt that way but just never have really said anything about it because it takes away from threads. There's no reason to be insanely loyal to players when they're not loyal to you.

It's not just Perkins on this blog. You should have seen the vitriol on this board the night the Allen and Garnett trades went down.