Doc "Guard" mentality..?

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Well, I have said it all along...and a lot of people never agreed, but that is to be expected. So, look over the list now, Leon Powe, Sheldon Williams, Stephon Lasme, Harongody, Perk, Erden, all rebounders, all GONE. Danny and Doc, both GUARDS, with no plays ever run for any of them.

  Think Pat Riley would do that...well, no. Of course it was  Riley who said "No rebounds, no Championship!". Not Doc. And what did we get for Erden, a second round pick.....so, what, a maybe-could-develop, center....what did we have, a showed-he-could-develop CENTER...for short money. Reminds me of when lenny wilkins traded dominique wilkins BEFORE the Playoffs that year....and they ended a great season with NOTHING...!

  Now we are depending on SHAQ, and JO...both guys who have already, all year gave us really NOTHING...except some decent commercials.....Should have gotten Battier or TA back, the rest is probably dumb. Just my opinion.

[Fafnir]

Powe was gone after he hurt his knee. He's no longer a rebounder (apparently he might be back though....)

Jeff Green isn't a guard.

They two biggest off season acquisitions this year were two Cs. (Jermaine/Shaq) A lot of the other guys you mentioned aren't even good rebounders (Semih/Lasme), so honestly I don't see it.

I understand you don't like the trade, but the whole Doc/Danny are guards thing is just plain bizare.

[Fafnir]

I am worried that if Jermaine can't play that the C's are going to be hurt on the boards by this trade btw....

Shaq can't give us more than 20 minutes a night.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Powe was gone after he hurt his knee. He's no longer a rebounder (apparently he might be back though....)

Jeff Green isn't a guard.

They two biggest off season acquisitions this year were two Cs. (Jermaine/Shaq) A lot of the other guys you mentioned aren't even good rebounders (Semih/Lasme), so honestly I don't see it.

I understand you don't like the trade, but the whole Doc/Danny are guards thing is just plain bizare.

As usual, a big talker who hasn't EVER played basketball in his life. You are the guy who said, "Who needs rebounds, we can just get back on D after we shoot". Hey, why have the other 4 guys go over half-court. Why, faffy, you might be on to somthing big here...! Keep the replies civil, or just send them to ME in my other file here, the rest of the people here do not want to here about it like that.

[Celtics4ever]

I think it could hurt on the boards too.  KP wasn't a total stud at rebounding with a 6.1 career average but he was servicable and improving.

[Fafnir]

Powe was gone after he hurt his knee. He's no longer a rebounder (apparently he might be back though....)

Jeff Green isn't a guard.

They two biggest off season acquisitions this year were two Cs. (Jermaine/Shaq) A lot of the other guys you mentioned aren't even good rebounders (Semih/Lasme), so honestly I don't see it.

I understand you don't like the trade, but the whole Doc/Danny are guards thing is just plain bizare.

As usual, a big talker who hasn't EVER played basketball in his life. You are the guy who said, "Who needs rebounds, we can just get back on D after we shoot". Hey, why have the other 4 guys go over half-court. Why, faffy, you might be on to somthing big here...! Keep the replies civil, or just send them to ME in my other file here, the rest of the people here do not want to here about it like that.

My replies are civil, however why do you assume I've never played basketball? Or why is playing basketball is a necessity to discussing it on Celticsblog? Please stop trying to make it about me as a person, or myself or another moderator will have to step in.

I think that your thesis that Danny/Doc don't value rebounding is incorrect. Doc has repeatedly stressed rebounding in both team time outs and in press conferences the last few years. Plus overall Doc/Danny have tried to get size/depth at the big man position (which is the key to rebounding).

Do you have any evidence for your theory that since Doc played PG and Danny played PG/SG that they don't value rebounds? (Riley was a guard too) Danny's biggest move ever was to get one of the best rebounders in the history of the NBA.

[Fafnir]

I think it could hurt on the boards too.  KP wasn't a total stud at rebounding with a 6.1 career average but he was servicable and improving.

Yeah he was our second best rebounder, unless Jermaine/Shaq can return to play most of our C minutes we're going to take a hit in that area.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Powe was gone after he hurt his knee. He's no longer a rebounder (apparently he might be back though....)

Jeff Green isn't a guard.

They two biggest off season acquisitions this year were two Cs. (Jermaine/Shaq) A lot of the other guys you mentioned aren't even good rebounders (Semih/Lasme), so honestly I don't see it.

I understand you don't like the trade, but the whole Doc/Danny are guards thing is just plain bizare.

As usual, a big talker who hasn't EVER played basketball in his life. You are the guy who said, "Who needs rebounds, we can just get back on D after we shoot". Hey, why have the other 4 guys go over half-court. Why, faffy, you might be on to somthing big here...! Keep the replies civil, or just send them to ME in my other file here, the rest of the people here do not want to here about it like that.

My replies are civil, however why do you assume I've never played basketball? Or why is playing basketball is a necessity to discussing it on Celticsblog? Please stop trying to make it about me as a person, or myself or another moderator will have to step in.

I think that your thesis that Danny/Doc don't value rebounding is incorrect. Doc has repeatedly stressed rebounding in both team time outs and in press conferences the last few years. Plus overall Doc/Danny have tried to get size/depth at the big man position (which is the key to rebounding).

Do you have any evidence for your theory that since Doc played PG and Danny played PG/SG that they don't value rebounds? (Riley was a guard too) Danny's biggest move ever was to get one of the best rebounders in the history of the NBA.

The quote of doc saying "don't worry about getting rebounds, just get back on D" is genuine, it was wrote here by another. Another point is that how k mchale likes forwards, ie...kg then al jefferson. So, to me doc is showing how he values guards, MORE than big men/rebounders, by always ditching them.

  And your feeling so comfortable calling anothers post bizarre, and this isn't the first time you have done this brings your position into question. Aren't you a moderator. Can't you talk to people without insulting them? Many others here can. Look at how they respond, even if they disagree. We are here to both agree and disagree. But not insult others doing so, is it that hard?

   You are right, i do not know if you ever played the game, i guess after a hard work week, i was caught off guard.

  I don't really like the trade, although i do not know the new players. It was at least untimely...with the way perk commanded the D vs our biggest rivals.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Are you seriously crying because your post got called bizarre?

So, you wanted plays called for Shelden Williams, Stephon Lasme, Harangody, and Erden? Calls for Perk? By the way, he got plenty of throws down low. Calls for Powe? Well, we threw plenty of balls to him down low, but remember he also was a blackhole.

We have Rondo, Pierce, Garnett, and Allen in there all taking a good chunk of the shots regardless of who is in there. Are we also going to ignore Big Baby? He puts up a ton of shots. We don't have shots to waste on bad offensive players.

Erden injured. Gone.
Harangody. Rookie, won't be used in the playoffs. Gone.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Are you seriously crying because your post got called bizarre?

So, you wanted plays called for Shelden Williams, Stephon Lasme, Harangody, and Erden? Calls for Perk? By the way, he got plenty of throws down low. Calls for Powe? Well, we threw plenty of balls to him down low, but remember he also was a blackhole.

We have Rondo, Pierce, Garnett, and Allen in there all taking a good chunk of the shots regardless of who is in there. Are we also going to ignore Big Baby? He puts up a ton of shots. We don't have shots to waste on bad offensive players.

Erden injured. Gone.
Harangody. Rookie, won't be used in the playoffs. Gone.

This must ge the site "tough guy online dot com" "As advertised, be the tough guy you always wanted, without consequences..! Tell off a stranger, of course not in person...do it from the safety of your moms cellar (your new adult b-room!)" This is why people I play hoop with say they wouldn't ever talk here... Instead of coming here to talk hoop, it is like volunteering to be stuck in the rotary for an hour..!
Hahaha. Well, like i said, there are plenty of good people here, and a few who want to show you how tuff they are....!

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Are you seriously crying because your post got called bizarre?

So, you wanted plays called for Shelden Williams, Stephon Lasme, Harangody, and Erden? Calls for Perk? By the way, he got plenty of throws down low. Calls for Powe? Well, we threw plenty of balls to him down low, but remember he also was a blackhole.

We have Rondo, Pierce, Garnett, and Allen in there all taking a good chunk of the shots regardless of who is in there. Are we also going to ignore Big Baby? He puts up a ton of shots. We don't have shots to waste on bad offensive players.

Erden injured. Gone.
Harangody. Rookie, won't be used in the playoffs. Gone.

Powe a black hole...he got rebounds, he made his own shots. That was his #1 value.  A ton of shots...bbd needs to rebound, we have shooters.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Just saying that a bit too much drama for a post simply being called bizarre and then try to throw the "oh, but you're a mod card".  Particularly when you're arguing in a site about a passionate/emotional subject for many, some thick skin has to be in place. But whatever, don't want to derail this thread any more than it already is.

And of course, Pat Riley has surrounded the Miami Heat with a lot of big guys...?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Are you seriously crying because your post got called bizarre?

So, you wanted plays called for Shelden Williams, Stephon Lasme, Harangody, and Erden? Calls for Perk? By the way, he got plenty of throws down low. Calls for Powe? Well, we threw plenty of balls to him down low, but remember he also was a blackhole.

We have Rondo, Pierce, Garnett, and Allen in there all taking a good chunk of the shots regardless of who is in there. Are we also going to ignore Big Baby? He puts up a ton of shots. We don't have shots to waste on bad offensive players.

Erden injured. Gone.
Harangody. Rookie, won't be used in the playoffs. Gone.

Powe a black hole...he got rebounds, he made his own shots. That was his #1 value.  A ton of shots...bbd needs to rebound, we have shooters.

I was talking from the perspective of running plays for him. He didn't pass the ball.

Well, we just brought Powe back by the looks of it.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Are you seriously crying because your post got called bizarre?

So, you wanted plays called for Shelden Williams, Stephon Lasme, Harangody, and Erden? Calls for Perk? By the way, he got plenty of throws down low. Calls for Powe? Well, we threw plenty of balls to him down low, but remember he also was a blackhole.

We have Rondo, Pierce, Garnett, and Allen in there all taking a good chunk of the shots regardless of who is in there. Are we also going to ignore Big Baby? He puts up a ton of shots. We don't have shots to waste on bad offensive players.

Erden injured. Gone.
Harangody. Rookie, won't be used in the playoffs. Gone.

Powe a black hole...he got rebounds, he made his own shots. That was his #1 value.  A ton of shots...bbd needs to rebound, we have shooters.

I was talking from the perspective of running plays for him. He didn't pass the ball.

Well, i don't want to fight about it. We aren't fixing anything. I like leon, i like rebounders. if you don't, no big deal to me. i do understand about the C's $$$, and perk wanted a lot....erden...well not so much. He was a developing project...which is what we get in the second round....right? Thing is, he DID develop...a guy gets injured, you dump him? What about D league..? Gody, ne feelings, could turn into a good role player on a team that plays him. Erden showed a lot of promise. Especially as a #2 center. How many good centers are there anyway..? Not many...

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Just saying that a bit too much drama for a post simply being called bizarre and then try to throw the "oh, but you're a mod card".  Particularly when you're arguing in a site about a passionate/emotional subject for many, some thick skin has to be in place. But whatever, don't want to derail this thread any more than it already is.

And of course, Pat Riley has surrounded the Miami Heat with a lot of big guys...?

Well, right...but it was known for him...ewing, mourning, he did love the center..and for thick skin...where does it begin and end..i just don't see the reason..I'd enjoy it if it was in person..I invite anyone anytime to say it to me when i am out of work and around. IO don't want it, but i can deal with it. but online makes the guy look.......