Perk is just a slightly better player than TA

[greenpride32]

The loss of Perk is obviously very tough off the court for the players and coaches.  It's like having one of your best friends move far away when you're middle school age.

But the business at hand is making your team better and I think we accomplished that yesterday.  Jeff Green has all-star potential.

Perk is a below average offensive player.  He makes easy shots difficult ones.  Even Semih finished better than him.  And a 38 year old Shaq makes him look like an amateur.  He can't shoot free throws.  He travels all the time.  He tries to do too much when he gets double or triple teamed rather than kicking the ball out.

Sound familar?  Exactly the same flaws TA has on the offensive end.

So where is Perk's value?  On the defensive end; same as TA.  But they both take bad fouls at times and Perk has that tendency to pickup unnecessary T's.

So other than "chemistry" what does Perk really bring to the table?  The C's have held 1st place in the East all year without.  So we've already proven we can win without him.

This thread isn't meant to bash Perk, but his value has been grossly overstated here.  He's been great for us the past several years, during our down and glory years.  But he's not even close to being one of our key pieces.


 

[scaryjerry]

Just weird

Theres thousands of people who think we cant win a championship now

Did we just trade away the big 4? not that I saw

We traded a guy who played 11 games for us this season, and while doing so made us worse

[DinoRadjaLives]

The loss of Perk is obviously very tough off the court for the players and coaches.  It's like having one of your best friends move far away when you're middle school age.

But the business at hand is making your team better and I think we accomplished that yesterday.  Jeff Green has all-star potential.

Perk is a below average offensive player.  He makes easy shots difficult ones.  Even Semih finished better than him.  And a 38 year old Shaq makes him look like an amateur.  He can't shoot free throws.  He travels all the time.  He tries to do too much when he gets double or triple teamed rather than kicking the ball out.

Sound familar?  Exactly the same flaws TA has on the offensive end.

So where is Perk's value?  On the defensive end; same as TA.  But they both take bad fouls at times and Perk has that tendency to pickup unnecessary T's.

So other than "chemistry" what does Perk really bring to the table?  The C's have held 1st place in the East all year without.  So we've already proven we can win without him.

This thread isn't meant to bash Perk, but his value has been grossly overstated here.  He's been great for us the past several years, during our down and glory years.  But he's not even close to being one of our key pieces.


 

Only thing is you can't find defensive centers anymore with an attitude, it seems to be a lost art

[Fafnir]

Being an offensively limited defender with a turnover problem is very different when your a SG and when you're a C.

Perkins is in many ways similar to Tony Allen in how you can describe his game, but Perkins is a much much better player.

[Donoghus]

Being an offensively limited defender with a turnover problem is very different when your a SG and when you're a C.

Perkins is in many ways similar to Tony Allen in how you can describe his game, but Perkins is a much much better player.

Agreed.

Let's not over-react and bring Perk down to TA's level now.

[Roy H.]

Being an offensively limited defender with a turnover problem is very different when your a SG and when you're a C.

Perkins is in many ways similar to Tony Allen in how you can describe his game, but Perkins is a much much better player.

Agreed.

Let's not over-react and bring Perk down to TA's level now.

+1.

[wdleehi]

Equal? 



One is a championship starting level C. 



One is the 4th swingman on a good team. 

[Big_Matt34]

Agreed.

Let's not over-react and bring Perk down to TA's level now.

+1.

The same TA that is thriving in Memphis, with a PER of 17.2, which would be the 4th highest on our team? Even more impressive considering PER doesn't even take TA's greatest strength into account, being his defense. I'm not saying he is better than Perkins, as Perk is clearly a more important player, but TA's "level" is far from a bad thing.

As for the actual deal...Perkins going hurts, nevermind the fact that he was one of my favorite players, but he was obviously a great, great defender, and had old school attitude which was a great fit here. With that said...it's not some championship window ending trade. As great as he was on defense, he was an offensive liability, which is why he didn't play down the stretch of games quite a bit. The move is risky, beause it is banking on the health of the O'Neal's, and potential buyouts, but there is some serious upside to it as well. The OP's notion is ridiculous though, as far as importance, one is the starter on a championship contending team, and the other is a 3rd wing.

[Celtics18]

Being an offensively limited defender with a turnover problem is very different when your a SG and when you're a C.

Perkins is in many ways similar to Tony Allen in how you can describe his game, but Perkins is a much much better player.

I was a big TA fan, but I agree 100% with your sentiment.  You can't compare a 6'4" shooting guard who is a defensive specialist to a center who is a defensive specialist. 

As much as I loved TA, Perk had a much bigger positive impact on this team. 

[Bankshot]

Being an offensively limited defender with a turnover problem is very different when your a SG and when you're a C.

Perkins is in many ways similar to Tony Allen in how you can describe his game, but Perkins is a much much better player.

I was a big TA fan, but I agree 100% with your sentiment.  You can't compare a 6'4" shooting guard who is a defensive specialist to a center who is a defensive specialist. 

As much as I loved TA, Perk had a much bigger positive impact on this team. 

I agree about turnovers.  But I still think TA is a better player.

[Evantime34]

This is preposterous.

[Fafnir]

Agreed.

Let's not over-react and bring Perk down to TA's level now.

+1.

The same TA that is thriving in Memphis, with a PER of 17.2, which would be the 4th highest on our team? Even more impressive considering PER doesn't even take TA's greatest strength into account, being his defense. I'm not saying he is better than Perkins, as Perk is clearly a more important player, but TA's "level" is far from a bad thing.

As for the actual deal...Perkins going hurts, nevermind the fact that he was one of my favorite players, but he was obviously a great, great defender, and had old school attitude which was a great fit here. With that said...it's not some championship window ending trade. As great as he was on defense, he was an offensive liability, which is why he didn't play down the stretch of games quite a bit. The move is risky, beause it is banking on the health of the O'Neal's, and potential buyouts, but there is some serious upside to it as well. The OP's notion is ridiculous though, as far as importance, one is the starter on a championship contending team, and the other is a 3rd wing.

Tony Allen is thriving because with Rudy Gay hurt he's getting minutes and shot attempts. Tony has shown in the past he can produce if he's the starter, but typically those stats don't translate into wins for his team.

His problem was always being a role player.

[pearljammer10]

This is preposterous.

More than preposterous.

[Big_Matt34]

Tony Allen is thriving because with Rudy Gay hurt he's getting minutes and shot attempts. Tony has shown in the past he can produce if he's the starter, but typically those stats don't translate into wins for his team.

His problem was always a role player.

I would have 100% agreed with that until last year, but i thought he showed he can accept being a role player, and was [dang] important for us. Memphis also has been on a roll since TA has been getting big minutes when Mayo got suspended. Anyways, I was just defending TA some, as his "level" is pretty good. But i completely disagree with the OP, Perk is clearly a more important player, saying otherwise is crazy IMO.

[Change]

This is preposterous.

More than preposterous.

Raise you another preposterous. Celtics were a healthy Perk away from a second Championship. Therefore this nonsense.