Jeff Green

[KevinGamble]

Am I wrong, or could we have gotten Gerald Wallace instead?

good question.  that guy could be a great offensive 'microwave' off the bench as 6th man.

As for the current thread, I am really excited about this trade (s), and want to welcome Jeff Green to the Celtics family.

Danny walks the walk and pulls off a gutsy move-- few of us could have sent off a fan favorite like perk.   

It is a gamble, and I can't wait to see what we can do now.

Go Celts!

[rav123]

According to 82games.com, Jeff Green is better as an SF than as a PF:


In 09-10 as a PF, Green had a 16.7 PER, his opponents a 20.1 for a difference of -3.4
In 10-11 as a PF, Green had a 13.3 PER, his opponents a 21.5 for a difference of -8.2

In 09-10 as a SF, Green had a 10.5 PER, his opponents a 11.0 for a difference of -0.5
In 10-11 as a SF, Green had a 11.0 PER, his opponents a 13.2 for a difference of -2.3

I guess his offense suffers when he moves to SF because he doesn't have the quickness advantage he has over PFs. But his defense improves a lot, so much so that opponents produce below average. Of course, it's disconcerting that Green is below average as well...

[Fafnir]

According to 82games.com, Jeff Green is better as an SF than as a PF:


In 09-10 as a PF, Green had a 16.7 PER, his opponents a 20.1 for a difference of -3.4
In 10-11 as a PF, Green had a 13.3 PER, his opponents a 21.5 for a difference of -8.2

In 09-10 as a SF, Green had a 10.5 PER, his opponents a 11.0 for a difference of -0.5
In 10-11 as a SF, Green had a 11.0 PER, his opponents a 13.2 for a difference of -2.3

I guess his offense suffers when he moves to SF because he doesn't have the quickness advantage he has over PFs. But his defense improves a lot, so much so that opponents produce below average. Of course, it's disconcerting that Green is below average as well...

Yup, he's been playing out of position. He actually has a well rounded skill set, he just doesn't put it all together into being a better offensive player.

[rondohondo]

According to 82games.com, Jeff Green is better as an SF than as a PF:


In 09-10 as a PF, Green had a 16.7 PER, his opponents a 20.1 for a difference of -3.4
In 10-11 as a PF, Green had a 13.3 PER, his opponents a 21.5 for a difference of -8.2

In 09-10 as a SF, Green had a 10.5 PER, his opponents a 11.0 for a difference of -0.5
In 10-11 as a SF, Green had a 11.0 PER, his opponents a 13.2 for a difference of -2.3

I guess his offense suffers when he moves to SF because he doesn't have the quickness advantage he has over PFs. But his defense improves a lot, so much so that opponents produce below average. Of course, it's disconcerting that Green is below average as well...

Yup, he's been playing out of position. He actually has a well rounded skill set, he just doesn't put it all together into being a better offensive player.

Thats why its going to be awesome to have PP and KG as a mentor for him. They can teach him when to attack/post up etc.  He can learn so much from PP and KG. Plus I think he has the potential to be a very good defender at the SF. He is certainly athletic and strong enough and he has really long arms .

He really didn't have any vets that could teach him how to play , now he has 2 HOF players to learn from. His offense should also improve with Rondo getting him the ball now.

[winsomme]

Odom should not be a bad match up for Green...anyway, he was just bad in that series.

He was bad in that series, but as Bud points out so was Kevin Durant (by his standards) But its hard for me to kill a player who's playing better players (Gasol/Odom are both better) out of position during his first taste of the playoffs.

Fair enough, but again Odom should not be a bad matchup for Green...

I also don't like reports that OKC fans/analysts aren't too upset to see him go...

Odom didn't have a good series against the Thunder though.

7.8 PPG, 6.38 RPG and he had serious foul trouble during three of those games. He also only got to the line 7 times during the series and shot 41% FG% and had a TS% of .460

but the thing that is going to make trading for Green worth it is primarily his offensive contribution (he is by no means a defensive stopper). And that is where he fell off in the Laker series last year.

whereas Perk's contribution was manning the back line of our defense. We took a big hit there in losing Perk. The question is whether Green can up the offensive element of our game to counteract that loss.

plus, haven't you heard the one benefit Doc said about getting Green? Bringing back small ball. So don't be surprised to see Green at PF a lot for us.

look, I'm in shock right now. Our front court defense was one of our strengths and now it is not. Even if Shaq and JO come back, we've never made a playoff run with them. So, this is not sitting well with me right now.

I'm looking for reasons to be excited about this deal and Green is really the only hope and what I saw from Green in the playoffs last year was not good. Add to that a very underwhelming season this year and I am very concerned...

I love what perk brings defensively, but I just don't get this idea that "our front court D was  a strength and now it is not".
Our D has been terrific all season w/o perk. why do we expect a drop off?

well who makes up our front court D right now?

Forget what everyone says, Im excited about Johnson! That boy was trying to block everything lol

we played a number of games with only semih and bbd maning the middle. our d didn't suffer much. kristic is an upgrade over erden.
Danny would not make this trade if he thought shaq was done.
when he comes back we will have KG shaq, bbd and green and kristic. that is a far deeper big man rotation then we have had at any point this season.

not on defense he isn't...

independent of what just went down
would you swap erden for kristic

not for the Cs...kristic is very soft.

Now you are just talking out of the rear end. Erden has okay potential to be an okay player in this league. But Krsitc helps this team so much more this year than Erden every would have (especially in the playoffs).

Kristic is invisible out there. At least you know when Semih is in the game.

The only way this deal makes any sense is if Green is able to contribute quickly.

[winsomme]

Odom should not be a bad match up for Green...anyway, he was just bad in that series.

He was bad in that series, but as Bud points out so was Kevin Durant (by his standards) But its hard for me to kill a player who's playing better players (Gasol/Odom are both better) out of position during his first taste of the playoffs.

Fair enough, but again Odom should not be a bad matchup for Green...

I also don't like reports that OKC fans/analysts aren't too upset to see him go...

Odom didn't have a good series against the Thunder though.

7.8 PPG, 6.38 RPG and he had serious foul trouble during three of those games. He also only got to the line 7 times during the series and shot 41% FG% and had a TS% of .460

but the thing that is going to make trading for Green worth it is primarily his offensive contribution (he is by no means a defensive stopper). And that is where he fell off in the Laker series last year.

whereas Perk's contribution was manning the back line of our defense. We took a big hit there in losing Perk. The question is whether Green can up the offensive element of our game to counteract that loss.

plus, haven't you heard the one benefit Doc said about getting Green? Bringing back small ball. So don't be surprised to see Green at PF a lot for us.

look, I'm in shock right now. Our front court defense was one of our strengths and now it is not. Even if Shaq and JO come back, we've never made a playoff run with them. So, this is not sitting well with me right now.

I'm looking for reasons to be excited about this deal and Green is really the only hope and what I saw from Green in the playoffs last year was not good. Add to that a very underwhelming season this year and I am very concerned...

  Why not wait a few games and see how he does? The guy he's replacing (Quis) could barely get into games last year in the playoffs.

It's pretty clear he is letting his emotions getting in the way of evaluating the player, because one of all of our favorites was traded.

because clearly Sam Presti is a terrible evaluator of talent...

[BballTim]

Odom should not be a bad match up for Green...anyway, he was just bad in that series.

He was bad in that series, but as Bud points out so was Kevin Durant (by his standards) But its hard for me to kill a player who's playing better players (Gasol/Odom are both better) out of position during his first taste of the playoffs.

Fair enough, but again Odom should not be a bad matchup for Green...

I also don't like reports that OKC fans/analysts aren't too upset to see him go...

Odom didn't have a good series against the Thunder though.

7.8 PPG, 6.38 RPG and he had serious foul trouble during three of those games. He also only got to the line 7 times during the series and shot 41% FG% and had a TS% of .460

but the thing that is going to make trading for Green worth it is primarily his offensive contribution (he is by no means a defensive stopper). And that is where he fell off in the Laker series last year.

whereas Perk's contribution was manning the back line of our defense. We took a big hit there in losing Perk. The question is whether Green can up the offensive element of our game to counteract that loss.

plus, haven't you heard the one benefit Doc said about getting Green? Bringing back small ball. So don't be surprised to see Green at PF a lot for us.

look, I'm in shock right now. Our front court defense was one of our strengths and now it is not. Even if Shaq and JO come back, we've never made a playoff run with them. So, this is not sitting well with me right now.

I'm looking for reasons to be excited about this deal and Green is really the only hope and what I saw from Green in the playoffs last year was not good. Add to that a very underwhelming season this year and I am very concerned...

  Why not wait a few games and see how he does? The guy he's replacing (Quis) could barely get into games last year in the playoffs.

It's pretty clear he is letting his emotions getting in the way of evaluating the player, because one of all of our favorites was traded.

because clearly Sam Presti is a terrible evaluator of talent...

  Again, you should let them play a few games and see what happens. I'm somewhat reminded of all of your posts about how Danny screwed up last year by not signing Leon, who was going to be a big contributor to the Cavs in the playoffs because he'd be fully recovered by then.

[vinnie]

Odom should not be a bad match up for Green...anyway, he was just bad in that series.

He was bad in that series, but as Bud points out so was Kevin Durant (by his standards) But its hard for me to kill a player who's playing better players (Gasol/Odom are both better) out of position during his first taste of the playoffs.

Fair enough, but again Odom should not be a bad matchup for Green...

I also don't like reports that OKC fans/analysts aren't too upset to see him go...

Odom didn't have a good series against the Thunder though.

7.8 PPG, 6.38 RPG and he had serious foul trouble during three of those games. He also only got to the line 7 times during the series and shot 41% FG% and had a TS% of .460

but the thing that is going to make trading for Green worth it is primarily his offensive contribution (he is by no means a defensive stopper). And that is where he fell off in the Laker series last year.

whereas Perk's contribution was manning the back line of our defense. We took a big hit there in losing Perk. The question is whether Green can up the offensive element of our game to counteract that loss.

plus, haven't you heard the one benefit Doc said about getting Green? Bringing back small ball. So don't be surprised to see Green at PF a lot for us.

look, I'm in shock right now. Our front court defense was one of our strengths and now it is not. Even if Shaq and JO come back, we've never made a playoff run with them. So, this is not sitting well with me right now.

I'm looking for reasons to be excited about this deal and Green is really the only hope and what I saw from Green in the playoffs last year was not good. Add to that a very underwhelming season this year and I am very concerned...

  Why not wait a few games and see how he does? The guy he's replacing (Quis) could barely get into games last year in the playoffs.

It's pretty clear he is letting his emotions getting in the way of evaluating the player, because one of all of our favorites was traded.

because clearly Sam Presti is a terrible evaluator of talent...

  Again, you should let them play a few games and see what happens. I'm somewhat reminded of all of your posts about how Danny screwed up last year by not signing Leon, who was going to be a big contributor to the Cavs in the playoffs because he'd be fully recovered by then.

I agree that we need to let these guys play a few games. I don't like the trade, but it is done so let's see what happens. The "good" news is, it looks like the Celts are close to signing Powe again 

[Rondo9dunx]

Kid is a beast

[Megatron]

Jeff Green is a stud and a legit starter, the fact that we have a long, 6'9 athletic guy coming off the bench is ridiculous. The guy is a definite starter on any team.

Nenad is 7'0 and provides more offense then Perkins.

C's have things to overcome before we can declare the team better then before the trade.

1) Will teams still fear the Celtics frontline?
2) Will the team be able to overcome the emotional aspect of losing Perk.
3) Will our defense suffer.
4) Will Shaq or JO be healthy, because if they arent we cant win a title.
5) Will Green be a better player on the C's then he was on OKC?

Before the trade we were title favorites and clearly the best team in the east.

We wont find out if this trade was worth it unless we get to the Finals and win. If we dont make it to the Finals this trade was a bust and Danny should be fired.

[bruinsandceltics]

Kristic is invisible out there. At least you know when Semih is in the game.

The only way this deal makes any sense is if Green is able to contribute quickly.

So invisible that they had him starting on a very good Thunder team. 

[winsomme]

Odom should not be a bad match up for Green...anyway, he was just bad in that series.

He was bad in that series, but as Bud points out so was Kevin Durant (by his standards) But its hard for me to kill a player who's playing better players (Gasol/Odom are both better) out of position during his first taste of the playoffs.

Fair enough, but again Odom should not be a bad matchup for Green...

I also don't like reports that OKC fans/analysts aren't too upset to see him go...

Odom didn't have a good series against the Thunder though.

7.8 PPG, 6.38 RPG and he had serious foul trouble during three of those games. He also only got to the line 7 times during the series and shot 41% FG% and had a TS% of .460

but the thing that is going to make trading for Green worth it is primarily his offensive contribution (he is by no means a defensive stopper). And that is where he fell off in the Laker series last year.

whereas Perk's contribution was manning the back line of our defense. We took a big hit there in losing Perk. The question is whether Green can up the offensive element of our game to counteract that loss.

plus, haven't you heard the one benefit Doc said about getting Green? Bringing back small ball. So don't be surprised to see Green at PF a lot for us.

look, I'm in shock right now. Our front court defense was one of our strengths and now it is not. Even if Shaq and JO come back, we've never made a playoff run with them. So, this is not sitting well with me right now.

I'm looking for reasons to be excited about this deal and Green is really the only hope and what I saw from Green in the playoffs last year was not good. Add to that a very underwhelming season this year and I am very concerned...

  Why not wait a few games and see how he does? The guy he's replacing (Quis) could barely get into games last year in the playoffs.

It's pretty clear he is letting his emotions getting in the way of evaluating the player, because one of all of our favorites was traded.

because clearly Sam Presti is a terrible evaluator of talent...

  Again, you should let them play a few games and see what happens. I'm somewhat reminded of all of your posts about how Danny screwed up last year by not signing Leon, who was going to be a big contributor to the Cavs in the playoffs because he'd be fully recovered by then.

I believe I was wanting him on the Cs not worried about his contributions to CLE...wouldn't have minded having him in game 6 and 7 actually considering controlling the glass was the main reason we lost game 7....and hey look who might be walking through that door again, Ricky P...

but that's all really beside the point. I am open to this trade working and will be hopefully watching tonight. I'm just not psyched about the trade off of interior defense for potential offensive upgrade...

[jdz101]

I dont think dudes should be written off without playing a minute. Defensive stats from Oklahoma are fairly irrelevant, as their team defence isn't even in the same ballpark as a C's defence.

From what I've seen Jeff Green is a talented player and Danny did well to acquire something of that quality instead of waiting for perk to make a contractual decision, and possibly leave in the off-season.

A lot of people are also discounting the fact that Perk is a big heavy guy coming back from a torn ACL and a knee reconstruction. For all we know he could continually have issues or do his knee again. Happens with bigs ALL the time.

[clover]

Jeff Green is a stud and a legit starter, the fact that we have a long, 6'9 athletic guy coming off the bench is ridiculous. The guy is a definite starter on any team.

Nenad is 7'0 and provides more offense then Perkins.

C's have things to overcome before we can declare the team better then before the trade.

1) Will teams still fear the Celtics frontline?
2) Will the team be able to overcome the emotional aspect of losing Perk.
3) Will our defense suffer.
4) Will Shaq or JO be healthy, because if they arent we cant win a title.
5) Will Green be a better player on the C's then he was on OKC?

Before the trade we were title favorites and clearly the best team in the east.

We wont find out if this trade was worth it unless we get to the Finals and win. If we ' make it to the Finals this trade was a bust and Danny should be fired.

The only team Green isn't a definite starter on is one which is very good generally and has a clear All-Star level guy already at the three.  That would leave him out of the starter position in Miami, OKC and Boston right now, for example.  But he arguably hasn't played in his natural position since coming into the league with Durant.  I don't think we've  seen all of what he can do and what he can develop into.

I also don't think we've seen all of how defensive Doc's system and  KG's 'guidance' can make of a big center previously unknown for D.

I like this trade, painful as it is.

[wiley]

I don't know if it'll happen this year or next, but Jeff Green is going to be way better on the Celtics than he was on the Thunder.....