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Who you like, Gallinari or Wilson.
« on: February 20, 2011, 07:05:12 PM »

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 A two part question to my peers. Who is the overall better player I.Y.O.

 And who would you rather have on the Celtics.

Re: Who you like, Gallinari or Wilson.
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2011, 07:19:11 PM »

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I'd pick Gallinari. He's more rounded than chandler.
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Re: Who you like, Gallinari or Wilson.
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2011, 07:28:53 PM »

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Chandler. 

The two are about the same age, and play about the same minutes.  This year, their numbers are very, very close, but where there has been an edge, Chandler has been better at scoring, rebounding, overall shooting, three point shooting, and defense (including blocked shots).  Assists and turnovers are pretty much equal, and Gallinari is the better FT shooter (although Chandler is good there, too).





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Re: Who you like, Gallinari or Wilson.
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2011, 07:38:13 PM »

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I'd probably go with Chandler, for an odd reasoning:

I think Gallinari is the better player, but I envision him being much more likely to get overpaid, while I think Chandler is more likely to be able to be signed for a salary that is fair to his value. I think Gallo is a great shooter, but can't defend the 3 and can't rebound/defend the 4 (so a poor man's bargnani) but will, due to the size and range, be signed like he is a key starter. I think Chandler will be able to be signed as if he's a 6th man/5th starter, and that is where I see his role.

Edit: basically, I could see someone offering 8-9 mil per year to start Gallo at the 3 or 4 then have to cover his rebounding/defensive deficiencies, while I could see Chandler making 4-5 being a 6th man/ glue guy starter that can play D.

Re: Who you like, Gallinari or Wilson.
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2011, 07:45:06 PM »

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I'd want Chandler on the C's now and I'd take Gallo for the future.

Re: Who you like, Gallinari or Wilson.
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2011, 07:56:06 PM »

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Not certain enough about Gallinari's ceiling ... so I'll take Chandler because I think he's a better two way player.

If I am the Knicks and looking for someone to complement Carmelo Anthony on the wing, I definitely take Chandler because he is able to defend the two spot and take some pressure of Melo defensively.

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2011, 10:16:18 PM »

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I think Gallinari is a 3, not a 4.  Yeah, the knicks have played him at the 4, but he's a 3, so people shouldn't be weighing in on his value as if he might play some 4.  That's like considering Garnett a 5.

Gallinari can shoot really well and he is surprisingly athletic too.  As for his rebounding, he averages 4.8 rpg, which is right up with Paul Pierce and his 5.0, so he's a perfectly fine rebounder for a 3.  I think a ceiling for Gallo on his prime is to be a player similar to Peja Stojakovic in his prime and I don't think its too much of a stretch to say that he will reach that given what we've seen from him so far at so young.  That's a much better player than Chandler will ever be.  I do like Chandler a lot, but I'd take Gallinari.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2011, 10:29:54 PM »

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Because Rondo is on this team, I'll take Gallo. A little more polish to his game, he can be a regular 20ppg scorer.

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2011, 10:57:47 PM »

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I think Gallinari is a 3, not a 4.  Yeah, the knicks have played him at the 4, but he's a 3, so people shouldn't be weighing in on his value as if he might play some 4.  That's like considering Garnett a 5.

Gallinari can shoot really well and he is surprisingly athletic too.  As for his rebounding, he averages 4.8 rpg, which is right up with Paul Pierce and his 5.0, so he's a perfectly fine rebounder for a 3.  I think a ceiling for Gallo on his prime is to be a player similar to Peja Stojakovic in his prime and I don't think its too much of a stretch to say that he will reach that given what we've seen from him so far at so young.  That's a much better player than Chandler will ever be.  I do like Chandler a lot, but I'd take Gallinari.

Why do you expect Gallinari to improve fairly significantly, but not Chandler?  Chandler is only a year older than Gallinari, and at this point is a better two-way player, a better rebounder, and this season, even a better shooter.


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Re: Who you like, Gallinari or Wilson.
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2011, 10:58:27 PM »

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Like someone said, Chandler now, Gallo for the future. I think Chandler is performing well in his contract year. I dont think his numbers will be as good next year... Gallo's knock is that hes incredibly inconsistent. One night he'll go for thirty and they next he'll go for 8 or 9.

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2011, 11:02:08 PM »

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I'd want Chandler on the C's now and I'd take Gallo for the future.

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2011, 06:14:16 AM »

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I think Gallinari is a 3, not a 4.  Yeah, the knicks have played him at the 4, but he's a 3, so people shouldn't be weighing in on his value as if he might play some 4.  That's like considering Garnett a 5.

Gallinari can shoot really well and he is surprisingly athletic too.  As for his rebounding, he averages 4.8 rpg, which is right up with Paul Pierce and his 5.0, so he's a perfectly fine rebounder for a 3.  I think a ceiling for Gallo on his prime is to be a player similar to Peja Stojakovic in his prime and I don't think its too much of a stretch to say that he will reach that given what we've seen from him so far at so young.  That's a much better player than Chandler will ever be.  I do like Chandler a lot, but I'd take Gallinari.

This surprised me, so I decided to take it on and compare Gallo and Pierce as rebounders with better metrics than raw rebounds per game.  Rebounds per game is flawed as a stat because it doesn't account for certain variables like minutes played and rebounding opportunities.  For that reason, I prefer rebounding percentage, which simply determines the number of rebounds taken by the player in question out of the number of available rebounds.  It negates variables such as minutes played and the team's pace.

This year, Pierce pulls down an awful 1.3% on offense, along with a very good 15.7% of the boards on defense to give him an overall rebound rate of 8.9%.  Gallinari is better on the offensive boards at 3.2%, but he's significantly worse on the boards defensively at 12.3%.  His overall percentage is 7.7%. 

For kicks, I got Chandler's rates as well - 4.0/15.5/9.7.  Wilson Chandler is above average for a SF on the boards.  Pierce is perhaps a shade above average this year, and Gallo is a shade below.  All of these stats were pulled from www.basketball-reference.com.

To return to the actual argument at hand, I'd take Chandler over Gallinari.  He lacks some of the offensive potential that Gallo has, but he's much better on the other side of the ball.  With Chandler you can ask him to defend multiple positions and expect him to hold his own; with Gallo that's not the case.  Also, keep in mind that Gallinari isn't the only one with potential here - Chandler has a lot of room to grow, too.

Re: Who you like, Gallinari or Wilson.
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2011, 07:37:04 AM »

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Although he is not the better shooter I would take Danilo Gallinari. 

Danilo Gallinari has the better handle of the two and he is more versatile offensively of the two.  Wilson is the better athlete but Gallinari is more skilled of the two.  Wilson is the better shooter and defender but Gallinari can hurt an opponent in more ways.  Wilson is more of a spot up shooter and jumpshooter.

I can't recall Wilson down the stretch of the Knicks games this year.  But I do recall Danilo Gallinari.   He was pretty clutch down the stretch and I recall gnashing my team at his shots.   Danilo Gallinari is the SF that his coach chooses to finish games.  That ought to speak volumes about this matter.

Re: Who you like, Gallinari or Wilson.
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2011, 08:04:18 AM »

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You can teach him or make him work on his weaknesses.  His strengths I simply don't see Wilson attaining that level of offensive skill.  Gallinari at the least boxes his man out and plays good team defense (scal like) than that would be fine by me.  Yes no one boxes out.  I think its easier to replace Wilson's overall game than Gallinaris offensive game and potential to be great.

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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2011, 08:50:45 AM »

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I like Chandler better.

Seems to be more consistent to me.