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BOS-WASH trade idea
« on: February 17, 2011, 06:27:30 PM »

Offline winsomme

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BOS gets:
 J Howard
K Hinrich

WASH gets:
JO
Daniels
Avery Bradley

BOS does it to get wing depth. WASH does it to save 5-6 million over  the next two years and gets a young prospect as well. possibly throw in a pick to sweeten the deal.
 

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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2011, 07:17:57 PM »

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nope. not enough value in it for the wiz -- they trade the two best players in the deal. doubt they'd take JO regardless.
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2011, 08:04:54 PM »

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A pretty big trade, but one primarily based on their rumored need to be trying/dying to deal Blatche, and the 5 years still left to him. I think Blatche has a load of potential and the C's, if no one else, would be the perfect situation for him. His contract isn't too bad, but the word is the Wizards don't want him anywhere near Wall.

They'll also be able to move Hinrich and his hefty 9M per year contract. Robinson may not be as good as Hinrich, but his contract is less than half as much.

Davis will probably be gone this summer anyways. His game does seem to mesh well with the athletic and shotblocking McGee.

Daniels is a near lock to be bought out if traded. Either because of his devastating injury, or if he is able to return, so he can re-sign with us.

Howard is a good player, but he really has no value for the Wizards in the long term and his contract is expiring. I really doubt he re-signs with them. Besides, they would probably better served to play the younger players more in the second half in other to boost their development.
 
JO has that 2 year contract, but he seems likely to do a Sheed and retire after 1 year. I just can't see him playing next season with all the comments of not being able to play with his children.

Thoughts?

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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2011, 08:18:28 PM »

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A pretty big trade, but one primarily based on their rumored need to be trying/dying to deal Blatche, and the 5 years still left to him. I think Blatche has a load of potential and the C's, if no one else, would be the perfect situation for him. His contract isn't too bad, but the word is the Wizards don't want him anywhere near Wall.

They'll also be able to move Hinrich and his hefty 9M per year contract. Robinson may not be as good as Hinrich, but his contract is less than half as much.

Davis will probably be gone this summer anyways. His game does seem to mesh well with the athletic and shotblocking McGee.

Daniels is a near lock to be bought out if traded. Either because of his devastating injury, or if he is able to return, so he can re-sign with us.

Howard is a good player, but he really has no value for the Wizards in the long term and his contract is expiring. I really doubt he re-signs with them. Besides, they would probably better served to play the younger players more in the second half in other to boost their development.
 
JO has that 2 year contract, but he seems likely to do a Sheed and retire after 1 year. I just can't see him playing next season with all the comments of not being able to play with his children.

Thoughts?

Interesting and a tough choice, but if pressed I would pull the trigger, mainly to get Howard.  However, here's my reservations:

1)  That's a mighty expensive backup PG in Hinrich, but no question that he's a good solid backup to Rondo plus you've got West as a combo guard.

2) My understanding is that Blatche is sort of knucklehead.  Not convinced that he will fit in, at least right away.  In a playoff situation, I'd rather have the battle-tested Davis in there up front.

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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2011, 08:26:40 PM »

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=65roqr5

A pretty big trade, but one primarily based on their rumored need to be trying/dying to deal Blatche, and the 5 years still left to him. I think Blatche has a load of potential and the C's, if no one else, would be the perfect situation for him. His contract isn't too bad, but the word is the Wizards don't want him anywhere near Wall.

They'll also be able to move Hinrich and his hefty 9M per year contract. Robinson may not be as good as Hinrich, but his contract is less than half as much.

Davis will probably be gone this summer anyways. His game does seem to mesh well with the athletic and shotblocking McGee.

Daniels is a near lock to be bought out if traded. Either because of his devastating injury, or if he is able to return, so he can re-sign with us.

Howard is a good player, but he really has no value for the Wizards in the long term and his contract is expiring. I really doubt he re-signs with them. Besides, they would probably better served to play the younger players more in the second half in other to boost their development.
 
JO has that 2 year contract, but he seems likely to do a Sheed and retire after 1 year. I just can't see him playing next season with all the comments of not being able to play with his children.

Thoughts?

Interesting and a tough choice, but if pressed I would pull the trigger, mainly to get Howard.  However, here's my reservations:

1)  That's a mighty expensive backup PG in Hinrich, but no question that he's a good solid backup to Rondo plus you've got West as a combo guard.

2) My understanding is that Blatche is sort of knucklehead.  Not convinced that he will fit in, at least right away.  In a playoff situation, I'd rather have the battle-tested Davis in there up front.

1) I don't worry about Hinrich's contract because we're operating under a 2 yr window. I like the fact that he is a combo guard. It'll allow us more flexibility and have another player to play alongside Rondo. Hinrich, very quietly, is one of the very best Wade defenders I have ever seen.

2) The report are that Blatche is a headcase. However, what better team to cure that than us? We've dealt with plenty of personalities (Marbury, Nate, Cassell, etc.) and all have behaved. Blatche just makes us so  big and long up front.

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2011, 08:52:11 PM »

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the idea of the trade and us getting Hinrich is very appealing. Why can't we just move Nate, Daniels, JO + 2 1st round draft picks for him?

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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2011, 09:04:52 PM »

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the idea of the trade and us getting Hinrich is very appealing. Why can't we just move Nate, Daniels, JO + 2 1st round draft picks for him?



It could work, but at same time we still would need a SF and they still would have Blatche's personality for the next 5 years. It's clear they want him gone, just like they wanted Arenas out of there.

IMO, it's all where a player lands and who he has around him. Blatche really has never had a mentor in Washington to learn from. Just having a steady veteran that shows professionalism and strong voice goes a long way. Just think where Davis would be if not for the Big 3 and Doc? Definitely wouldn't be a looking at a hefty contract this summer.

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2011, 09:08:22 PM »

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Have you ever seen Andray Blatche try and guard another capable big man??  He crumbles and Dwight Howard absolutely eats him alive, in fact he did so just the other night.

Glen Davis is actually a capable defender despite being undersized.  He's leading the league in charges taken where as Blatche makes Pau Gasol look tough as nails.  If we give Baby away and replace him with Blatche and our health at the C position doesnt improve, we're cooked if we have to play Orlando or LA, and quite possibly Chicago as well.
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2011, 09:26:27 PM »

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Have you ever seen Andray Blatche try and guard another capable big man??  He crumbles and Dwight Howard absolutely eats him alive, in fact he did so just the other night.

Glen Davis is actually a capable defender despite being undersized.  He's leading the league in charges taken where as Blatche makes Pau Gasol look tough as nails.  If we give Baby away and replace him with Blatche and our health at the C position doesnt improve, we're cooked if we have to play Orlando or LA, and quite possibly Chicago as well.

Do you think Blatche lacks the size, length, and athletic ability to be a good defender? During his entire career Ray was known as a poor defender, but a change of scenery changed that, and look what he did to Kobe in the finals. I'm not saying Blatche has the same work ethic or IQ as Allen, but sometimes a change of culture is what a player needs.
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2011, 10:02:56 PM »

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Blatche is a potential guy not the final piece in the puzzle to a championship.  He is a taller Gerald Green type.  I would not mind him being a component of a deal but he can't be the center piece.  He is a man without a position or go to move and plays soft for his size.   I know a change helped Parrish a lot but this entails more risk.

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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2011, 11:03:26 PM »

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Blatche is a potential guy not the final piece in the puzzle to a championship.  He is a taller Gerald Green type.  I would not mind him being a component of a deal but he can't be the center piece.  He is a man without a position or go to move and plays soft for his size.   I know a change helped Parrish a lot but this entails more risk.

I wouldn't compare him to Green. We're talking about a 24 year old 7 footer who is giving you 16/8 a night.

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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2011, 09:29:22 AM »

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Blatche is a potential guy not the final piece in the puzzle to a championship.  He is a taller Gerald Green type.  I would not mind him being a component of a deal but he can't be the center piece.  He is a man without a position or go to move and plays soft for his size.   I know a change helped Parrish a lot but this entails more risk.

I wouldn't compare him to Green. We're talking about a 24 year old 7 footer who is giving you 16/8 a night.

Were also talking about a guy who's been caught picking up hookers, openly admitted that he's soft, and quit on his coach and his teammates last year by refusing to go back into a game.  The wiz are a rebuilding that should be look to aquire young talent with potential, yet they're looking to deal this man away.  That's a giant red flag.  Ray Allen shouldn't even be in the same sentence with this man.  Ray has been a very coachable player his entire career.  Blatche has already shown he's not gonna listen to his coaches if they're gonna tell him something he doesn't like.

Like the one other poster said, if blatche is a small componet of the deal then that's fine, but when you're gonna make a trade where you give away a solid rotation player at a position you're thin at and are gonna have to count on andray blatche in return, then you're playing with fire.
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2011, 11:05:14 AM »

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Blatche is a potential guy not the final piece in the puzzle to a championship.  He is a taller Gerald Green type.  I would not mind him being a component of a deal but he can't be the center piece.  He is a man without a position or go to move and plays soft for his size.   I know a change helped Parrish a lot but this entails more risk.

I wouldn't compare him to Green. We're talking about a 24 year old 7 footer who is giving you 16/8 a night.

Were also talking about a guy who's been caught picking up hookers, openly admitted that he's soft, and quit on his coach and his teammates last year by refusing to go back into a game.  The wiz are a rebuilding that should be look to aquire young talent with potential, yet they're looking to deal this man away.  That's a giant red flag.  Ray Allen shouldn't even be in the same sentence with this man.  Ray has been a very coachable player his entire career.  Blatche has already shown he's not gonna listen to his coaches if they're gonna tell him something he doesn't like.

Like the one other poster said, if blatche is a small componet of the deal then that's fine, but when you're gonna make a trade where you give away a solid rotation player at a position you're thin at and are gonna have to count on andray blatche in return, then you're playing with fire.

In response to a few of your thoughts...

Blatche getting dominated by Howard isn't the worst thing in the world. How many PF's would not get dominated by Howard? In fact, how many centers would not get dominated by Howard?

Blatche has never said he was soft. I think that's putting words in his mouth. He said he was a "finesse player" and then said the following:

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"A finesse player is going to be called soft, so it don't bother me much. But I'm far from soft. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion."

My point on bring up Allen was to point out that sometimes a change of scenery is all a player needs to change public perception. Surely, you'd agree that Wafer has some a long way defensively. This despite his comments in the pre-season. Let's also not forget what his Greek coach said about him after he was cut by them:

 
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“If somebody is not eager to try to change himself, then it is better for him and the club to part ways.”

Which brings me back to my point, that players do change.

Taking JO out of the equation, the difference between Hinrich and Howard versus Robinson and Daniels (who might not even play again) far outweighs the difference between Baby and Blatche.

This trade works both short and long term. Our team would be better for the next two seasons and Blatche, if he works out, would be a steal given his vast potential. If he doesn't work out, his contract is not an unmovable one. Let's also not forget that Davis will probably play his last game in green in about 4 months. He could be lost for nothing.

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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2011, 11:08:38 AM »

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No Blatche.


1)  He doesn't listen to coaches.

2)  He doesn't play defense.

3)  As my workmate with Wizard season tickets says "when he sees Howard, he disappears from the paint."  He will not go inside when there is a strong inside presence.

4)  He admitted his game is soft on the radio. 

5)  He has patterned his game after Jamison minus the willingness to go inside sometimes. 



There is a reason a team as bad as the Wiz are so willing to dump a young big man. 

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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2011, 11:36:15 AM »

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BOS gets:
 J Howard
K Hinrich

WASH gets:
JO
Daniels
Avery Bradley

BOS does it to get wing depth. WASH does it to save 5-6 million over  the next two years and gets a young prospect as well. possibly throw in a pick to sweeten the deal.
 

Throw in Nate, our first this year or next and some cash, and I think they bite. http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5853043