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Re: New York rejects Denver's asking price for Carmelo
« Reply #60 on: February 15, 2011, 04:14:52 PM »

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I've thought about this proposed deal for a bit. Not trading for Chauncey is a sign to me that New York isn't counting on getting CP3. Otherwise he's a stop gap and they could move on in 2012.

Of course this assumes that this deal is accurately being reported. There have been so many leaks and other falsehoods put out there its hard to trust reports.

Re: New York rejects Denver's asking price for Carmelo
« Reply #61 on: February 15, 2011, 04:40:37 PM »

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I've thought about this proposed deal for a bit. Not trading for Chauncey is a sign to me that New York isn't counting on getting CP3. Otherwise he's a stop gap and they could move on in 2012.

Of course this assumes that this deal is accurately being reported. There have been so many leaks and other falsehoods put out there its hard to trust reports.

I don't think the two things are related at all.  I think they see Felton as a better fit for their system (if not a better player at this point in his career), and I do not think they have any interest in giving up Gallinari, along with another rotation player (they were likely asking for Fields or Chandler), plus the first round pick for him.

I still think NY thinks they can get Melo in the offseason, and that they are going to continue to play hardball, because there really is nothing else on the table to compete with their offer. 

Re: New York rejects Denver's asking price for Carmelo
« Reply #62 on: February 15, 2011, 09:14:29 PM »

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If it wasn't clear the Melo really likes the Knicks and if the Knicks weren't the front runner in free agency, don't the Knicks absolutely make this trade?  I mean it seems like a no brainer with the only hang up being the Knicks believe they will get Melo in the off season anyway.  Given that, I don't see why you wouldn't make the trade.  You have to trade for Melo if you are the Knicks.  He would instantly be the best player on your team and you aren't winning the championship with the crap they have around Amare, but with Melo and Amare, you have a great start on building a title team.
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Re: New York rejects Denver's asking price for Carmelo
« Reply #63 on: February 15, 2011, 09:17:28 PM »

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If it wasn't clear the Melo really likes the Knicks and if the Knicks weren't the front runner in free agency, don't the Knicks absolutely make this trade?  I mean it seems like a no brainer with the only hang up being the Knicks believe they will get Melo in the off season anyway.  Given that, I don't see why you wouldn't make the trade.  You have to trade for Melo if you are the Knicks.  He would instantly be the best player on your team and you aren't winning the championship with the crap they have around Amare, but with Melo and Amare, you have a great start on building a title team.
Nah man they're asking for 3 starters and multiple first rounf picks melo is good but not good enough to gut your starting lineup. Since the knicks know he wants to be there they might as well wait until the summer to sign him while they hold on to the key pieces

Re: New York rejects Denver's asking price for Carmelo
« Reply #64 on: February 15, 2011, 09:39:16 PM »

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bottom line the knicks are a little over .500 watever there trying to hol onto isnt all that great ,i really hope melo is dealt already so everyone can move on at least the lebron saga took a week tops ! ,plus nuggets stil wants to move more pieces before the deadline as well,jr smith/chuancey idk about affalo but maybe him too since there going to take on about at least 2 SF's  in this deal i really feel for the nuggets

Re: New York rejects Denver's asking price for Carmelo
« Reply #65 on: February 15, 2011, 10:03:29 PM »

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If it wasn't clear the Melo really likes the Knicks and if the Knicks weren't the front runner in free agency, don't the Knicks absolutely make this trade?  I mean it seems like a no brainer with the only hang up being the Knicks believe they will get Melo in the off season anyway.  Given that, I don't see why you wouldn't make the trade.  You have to trade for Melo if you are the Knicks.  He would instantly be the best player on your team and you aren't winning the championship with the crap they have around Amare, but with Melo and Amare, you have a great start on building a title team.
Nah man they're asking for 3 starters and multiple first rounf picks melo is good but not good enough to gut your starting lineup. Since the knicks know he wants to be there they might as well wait until the summer to sign him while they hold on to the key pieces

Exactly.

Knicks probably think they can make a decent playoff run if they get 'Melo, but not if they give up all the other starters to get him. Unless the deal makes NY a contender there's no reason to make the move when you can just sign him in FA.


Re: New York rejects Denver's asking price for Carmelo
« Reply #66 on: February 16, 2011, 06:40:02 AM »

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If it wasn't clear the Melo really likes the Knicks and if the Knicks weren't the front runner in free agency, don't the Knicks absolutely make this trade?  I mean it seems like a no brainer with the only hang up being the Knicks believe they will get Melo in the off season anyway.  Given that, I don't see why you wouldn't make the trade.  You have to trade for Melo if you are the Knicks.  He would instantly be the best player on your team and you aren't winning the championship with the crap they have around Amare, but with Melo and Amare, you have a great start on building a title team.
Nah man they're asking for 3 starters and multiple first rounf picks melo is good but not good enough to gut your starting lineup. Since the knicks know he wants to be there they might as well wait until the summer to sign him while they hold on to the key pieces
3 crappy starters and they are getting 2 starters back.  The Celtics traded 3 starters, 2 rotations players, and multiple first round picks (including the 5th pick in the draft) to get 2 starters back (Allen & Garnett) and the Celtics aren't looking back.  You absolutely have to make that trade if you are the Knicks. 
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Re: New York rejects Denver's asking price for Carmelo
« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2011, 07:10:43 AM »

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If it wasn't clear the Melo really likes the Knicks and if the Knicks weren't the front runner in free agency, don't the Knicks absolutely make this trade?  I mean it seems like a no brainer with the only hang up being the Knicks believe they will get Melo in the off season anyway.  Given that, I don't see why you wouldn't make the trade.  You have to trade for Melo if you are the Knicks.  He would instantly be the best player on your team and you aren't winning the championship with the crap they have around Amare, but with Melo and Amare, you have a great start on building a title team.
Nah man they're asking for 3 starters and multiple first rounf picks melo is good but not good enough to gut your starting lineup. Since the knicks know he wants to be there they might as well wait until the summer to sign him while they hold on to the key pieces
3 crappy starters and they are getting 2 starters back.  The Celtics traded 3 starters, 2 rotations players, and multiple first round picks (including the 5th pick in the draft) to get 2 starters back (Allen & Garnett) and the Celtics aren't looking back.  You absolutely have to make that trade if you are the Knicks.  

I agree with this. If you're the Knicks, you should leave nothing to chance and get this deal done.

Melo or no Melo, they're a 1st round knockout AT BEST this season.

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« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2011, 09:21:52 AM »

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If it wasn't clear the Melo really likes the Knicks and if the Knicks weren't the front runner in free agency, don't the Knicks absolutely make this trade?  I mean it seems like a no brainer with the only hang up being the Knicks believe they will get Melo in the off season anyway.  Given that, I don't see why you wouldn't make the trade.  You have to trade for Melo if you are the Knicks.  He would instantly be the best player on your team and you aren't winning the championship with the crap they have around Amare, but with Melo and Amare, you have a great start on building a title team.
Nah man they're asking for 3 starters and multiple first rounf picks melo is good but not good enough to gut your starting lineup. Since the knicks know he wants to be there they might as well wait until the summer to sign him while they hold on to the key pieces
3 crappy starters and they are getting 2 starters back.  The Celtics traded 3 starters, 2 rotations players, and multiple first round picks (including the 5th pick in the draft) to get 2 starters back (Allen & Garnett) and the Celtics aren't looking back.  You absolutely have to make that trade if you are the Knicks.  

I agree with this. If you're the Knicks, you should leave nothing to chance and get this deal done.

Melo or no Melo, they're a 1st round knockout AT BEST this season.

^ precisely I really cant understand why this is not done yet.   :o 
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Re: New York rejects Denver's asking price for Carmelo
« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2011, 09:26:39 AM »

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If it wasn't clear the Melo really likes the Knicks and if the Knicks weren't the front runner in free agency, don't the Knicks absolutely make this trade?  I mean it seems like a no brainer with the only hang up being the Knicks believe they will get Melo in the off season anyway.  Given that, I don't see why you wouldn't make the trade.  You have to trade for Melo if you are the Knicks.  He would instantly be the best player on your team and you aren't winning the championship with the crap they have around Amare, but with Melo and Amare, you have a great start on building a title team.
Nah man they're asking for 3 starters and multiple first rounf picks melo is good but not good enough to gut your starting lineup. Since the knicks know he wants to be there they might as well wait until the summer to sign him while they hold on to the key pieces
3 crappy starters and they are getting 2 starters back.  The Celtics traded 3 starters, 2 rotations players, and multiple first round picks (including the 5th pick in the draft) to get 2 starters back (Allen & Garnett) and the Celtics aren't looking back.  You absolutely have to make that trade if you are the Knicks.  
The C's traded only traded two starters, Big Al and West, right? (I know Telfair started as did Gomes, but Rondo started the second they stopped tanking and Gomes was in for Pierce who also was "sat" for losing reasons)

I think the situations are somewhat different though, in that the C's were getting two high level players back that matched the window of Pierce.

Chauncey isn't going to be a high level player for much longer, if he even is at all I have my doubts at this point.

Edit: yup the second we lost the toilet bowl with the Bucks Rondo stopped splitting time with Telfair lol.

Re: New York rejects Denver's asking price for Carmelo
« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2011, 09:27:52 AM »

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If it wasn't clear the Melo really likes the Knicks and if the Knicks weren't the front runner in free agency, don't the Knicks absolutely make this trade?  I mean it seems like a no brainer with the only hang up being the Knicks believe they will get Melo in the off season anyway.  Given that, I don't see why you wouldn't make the trade.  You have to trade for Melo if you are the Knicks.  He would instantly be the best player on your team and you aren't winning the championship with the crap they have around Amare, but with Melo and Amare, you have a great start on building a title team.
Nah man they're asking for 3 starters and multiple first rounf picks melo is good but not good enough to gut your starting lineup. Since the knicks know he wants to be there they might as well wait until the summer to sign him while they hold on to the key pieces
3 crappy starters and they are getting 2 starters back.  The Celtics traded 3 starters, 2 rotations players, and multiple first round picks (including the 5th pick in the draft) to get 2 starters back (Allen & Garnett) and the Celtics aren't looking back.  You absolutely have to make that trade if you are the Knicks.  

I agree with this. If you're the Knicks, you should leave nothing to chance and get this deal done.

Melo or no Melo, they're a 1st round knockout AT BEST this season.

^ precisely I really cant understand why this is not done yet.   :o 
Because the Knicks have no incentive to make the deal until they're sure they've given up the least amount possible. Its worth waiting a few more weeks if you can keep one of the starters that the Nuggets want.

Re: New York rejects Denver's asking price for Carmelo
« Reply #71 on: February 16, 2011, 10:33:38 AM »

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If it wasn't clear the Melo really likes the Knicks and if the Knicks weren't the front runner in free agency, don't the Knicks absolutely make this trade?  I mean it seems like a no brainer with the only hang up being the Knicks believe they will get Melo in the off season anyway.  Given that, I don't see why you wouldn't make the trade.  You have to trade for Melo if you are the Knicks.  He would instantly be the best player on your team and you aren't winning the championship with the crap they have around Amare, but with Melo and Amare, you have a great start on building a title team.
Nah man they're asking for 3 starters and multiple first rounf picks melo is good but not good enough to gut your starting lineup. Since the knicks know he wants to be there they might as well wait until the summer to sign him while they hold on to the key pieces
3 crappy starters and they are getting 2 starters back.  The Celtics traded 3 starters, 2 rotations players, and multiple first round picks (including the 5th pick in the draft) to get 2 starters back (Allen & Garnett) and the Celtics aren't looking back.  You absolutely have to make that trade if you are the Knicks.  
The C's traded only traded two starters, Big Al and West, right? (I know Telfair started as did Gomes, but Rondo started the second they stopped tanking and Gomes was in for Pierce who also was "sat" for losing reasons)

I think the situations are somewhat different though, in that the C's were getting two high level players back that matched the window of Pierce.

Chauncey isn't going to be a high level player for much longer, if he even is at all I have my doubts at this point.

Edit: yup the second we lost the toilet bowl with the Bucks Rondo stopped splitting time with Telfair lol.
I was basically calling Gomes a starter since he started 60 of the 73 games he played in.  Jefferson started 60 of 69.  West started 47 of 69.  The trades also involved Wally who started 19 of 32, Green who started 26 of 81, and Telfair who started 30 of 78 (even Theo started both games he played).  My basic point was, the Celtics unloaded a lot of their rotation (and much better draft picks then the Knicks would be getting rid of) in order to get 2 starters back. 

And for the record, I believe the gap between Melo and Gallinari/Chandler far exceeds the gap between Garnett and Jefferson/Gomes.  Allen was clearly better then West and Green (#5 pick), so the C's came out ahead on that end more then the Knicks will with Chauncey and Felton, but you still have to make the trade.

Also, Melo is significantly younger then Garnett was and fits in perfectly with Amare's window.  Billups is a stop gap, but so is Felton, so they don't lose much on that end and Billups has far more experience then Felton and that can make a difference in a playoff series.

I'll agree with you that I think this is a ploy by the Knicks to get the Nuggets to lower their demands, I just don't think it will work (look what denver did with the new jersey stuff, kept coming back for more and more, not less) and could easily back fire on the Knicks.  The Knicks have to make a trade for Melo.  They can't let him get away when they can have him.
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Re: New York rejects Denver's asking price for Carmelo
« Reply #72 on: February 17, 2011, 06:25:28 AM »

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Nets are supposedly back in the Melo sweepstakes.  NY's hesitation really could back fire on them with that news.
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« Reply #73 on: February 17, 2011, 08:15:10 AM »

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I hope the Nets get him but think the Knicks will. Dolan is going to make a bad trade to get Melo.

Re: New York rejects Denver's asking price for Carmelo
« Reply #74 on: February 17, 2011, 08:45:07 AM »

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I hope the Nets get him but think the Knicks will. Dolan is going to make a bad trade to get Melo.
the only bad trade the Knicks can make is trading Amare, which isn't going to happen.  They should be willing to trade everyone else on that team to get Melo, especially if it appears he might be going somewhere else.
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