What is with all the KG hatred?

[barefacedmonk]

Doc defends KG from the critics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kcIIfbwPIs&feature=youtu.be

[NoraG1]

I just place KG firmly in the Peyton Manning category. Yes. He was very good. But there were others clearly better or just as good so why do we always talk about him?  

Slightly off topic, but I don't think there were any PFs in his era who were clearly better than KG.  I think Duncan was better, but I think it's arguable.  Those two were clearly the two best PFs of their time, though, I think.

Rodman. Dirk. Webber. Having a hard time thinking of the spectacular supporting cast Jermaine O'Neal had back in the day other than Reggie. Obviously if you open it up to just big men in general you got Shaq and Zo.  When you open it to players in general you get Iverson, Lebron, Steve Nash, Kobe, Jason Kidd back in the day.

KG is a much better all-around PF than Rodman, and I'm not sure that they played in the same era.

KG did everything Webber did on offense, and played much better defense.  Similarly, Dirk isn't in the conversation due to his lack of D.  JO had neither the peak nor the longevity.  Same thing with Zo.  

Shaq was better than KG.

Rodman was the only player I ever saw straight up defend Shaq. And he did a lot of dirty work. The kind that Perk does now.

Not saying JO was better. Just that some of the same excuses people give KG go for him too. Also JO's team went to the finals I think.

Webber took the Kings to the promised land and was within a very very very crooked series of winning.

Dirk took his team to a finals. So did Iverson. So did Lebron. Kidd did twice. Malone at least half did twice. Zo didn't have longevity?

Until KG came to the Celts for all his intensity he was nowhere near as accomplished as any of these guys

Take a look at the rosters before you start criticizing. Also at the time it was alot easier to advance in the East. Most of the players you mentioned got to the finals with better teams around them. KG could not beat Shaq and Kobe by himself which was essentially what would have had to happen with the 'talent' that was around him at the time. What is with the hate? KG is on the team and he makes the team better. Wow. I get you don't like KG's antics, not eveeryones cup of tea I get that. The haterade is overboard.  You are grasping at straws. I would enjoy KG being here because with him here the C's have a chance at winning another championship. You are not going to change anyones mind about KG.

[j804]

Doc defends KG from the critics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kcIIfbwPIs&feature=youtu.be

"I'll just let Alvin talk. He seems to do that well."

rofl

[barefacedmonk]

Doc defends KG from the critics.

"I'll just let Alvin talk. He seems to do that well."

rofl

I thought that was funny as well.

...and it's true when he says that anybody who is criticizing KG will take him on their team right now.

[BballTim]

I don't hate Kevin Garnet.  I just don't have man love for him.  I don't think he's Superman or the Chosen One or something.

This is my point about never having bought into him being an intense player.

I got very very used to this dynamic in the late 90s and early 2000s.

Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnet get ready to play a playoff game.

Kevin Garnet slaps some powder. Makes some faces.

Tim Duncan doesn't.

Kevin Garnet takes a jump shot. Duncan slams it in his face. Duncan outplays Garnet is every phase of the game.  Everyone acts like Garnet has scrubs for teammates or something while Duncan is on Dream Team 2.  I'm scratching my head.

The Spurs win easily.

Kevin Garnet cries or something.

Duncan acts like this is routine for him.

People say "Oh man isn't Garnet so intense?"

And I'm sitting here like "I'm not seeing it"

I guess that makes me a hater.  I guess maybe it makes me hypocritical. I always thought of Karl Malone as intense. I don't know what to say.

I just place KG firmly in the Peyton Manning category. Yes. He was very good. But there were others clearly better or just as good so why do we always talk about him? 

  KG and TD played 8 playoff games against each other. KG scored a few more points than TD, had a few more assists than TD and had about the same number of rebounds. I guess that's pretty good for someone who's "outplayed in every phase of the game". I personally think it's pretty ridiculous to claim that an 8 time all-nba defensive 1st team player wasn't intense because he didn't dunk the ball enough. If you're looking at someone who's better or just as good, I wouldn't look towards Karl Malone.

What was the field goal and free throw percentage? What was the tos and fouls?  Anyway this gets back to the whole thing about how Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana because he threw for more yards.

  Funny, we've gone from "outplayed KG in every phase of the game" to looking for possible advantages for TD in areas like ft% and turnovers. Go back ad read your post and tell me you meant "played about the same but TD had a better ft%" (which he probably didn't, btw).

[j804]

Doc defends KG from the critics.

"I'll just let Alvin talk. He seems to do that well."

rofl

I thought that was funny as well.

...and it's true when he says that anybody who is criticizing KG will take him on their team right now.

I laughed for five minutes straight no lie, it's hilarious Doc is dead serious. He is dropping facts though any coach would take everything KG stands for and does on there team in a heart beat. I wish he said I'll let Phil talk as all PJ does is yap his mouth. 

[BballTim]

I just place KG firmly in the Peyton Manning category. Yes. He was very good. But there were others clearly better or just as good so why do we always talk about him? 

Slightly off topic, but I don't think there were any PFs in his era who were clearly better than KG.  I think Duncan was better, but I think it's arguable.  Those two were clearly the two best PFs of their time, though, I think.

Rodman. Dirk. Webber. Having a hard time thinking of the spectacular supporting cast Jermaine O'Neal had back in the day other than Reggie. Obviously if you open it up to just big men in general you got Shaq and Zo.  When you open it to players in general you get Iverson, Lebron, Steve Nash, Kobe, Jason Kidd back in the day.

  Rodman, Dirk, Webber, all better than power forwards than KG? Haha.

[Bahku]

Doc defends KG from the critics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kcIIfbwPIs&feature=youtu.be

Great stuff ... the KG hatred is mostly KG envy. Love the Alvin reference, too ... what respect I had for Gentry was flushed when he said that crap ... really classless move by a coach who should be setting the example for his young players. He'd take KG on his team in a second if he could, as would anyone else in the NBA. KG's intensity is what makes him the amazing player he is, and he's just as great a human being. Jealousy spawns hatred, and Alvin's just envious of what he can't have.

[aussie.celtic]

Seriously all,

i haven't read the 7 or so pages of comments, but I really could no give a flying F what anyone outside of the celtics thinks about KG or anyone else on the celtics for that matter.

KG owns. His intensity (AKA KG being a prick) reflects the way I feel about our team when we play anyone. Much hate for any team outside of Boston (except for Cleveland post Lebron).

All i want is for the C's to get that W. The end justify the means in my book.

Go Celtics!

[drza44]

I don't hate Kevin Garnet.  I just don't have man love for him.  I don't think he's Superman or the Chosen One or something.

This is my point about never having bought into him being an intense player.

I got very very used to this dynamic in the late 90s and early 2000s.

Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnet get ready to play a playoff game.

Kevin Garnet slaps some powder. Makes some faces.

Tim Duncan doesn't.

Kevin Garnet takes a jump shot. Duncan slams it in his face. Duncan outplays Garnet is every phase of the game.  Everyone acts like Garnet has scrubs for teammates or something while Duncan is on Dream Team 2.  I'm scratching my head.

The Spurs win easily.

Kevin Garnet cries or something.

Duncan acts like this is routine for him.

People say "Oh man isn't Garnet so intense?"

And I'm sitting here like "I'm not seeing it"

I guess that makes me a hater.  I guess maybe it makes me hypocritical. I always thought of Karl Malone as intense. I don't know what to say.

I just place KG firmly in the Peyton Manning category. Yes. He was very good. But there were others clearly better or just as good so why do we always talk about him? 

  KG and TD played 8 playoff games against each other. KG scored a few more points than TD, had a few more assists than TD and had about the same number of rebounds. I guess that's pretty good for someone who's "outplayed in every phase of the game". I personally think it's pretty ridiculous to claim that an 8 time all-nba defensive 1st team player wasn't intense because he didn't dunk the ball enough. If you're looking at someone who's better or just as good, I wouldn't look towards Karl Malone.

What was the field goal and free throw percentage? What was the tos and fouls?  Anyway this gets back to the whole thing about how Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana because he threw for more yards.

8 games over 2 playoffs

Garnett: 21.4 pts, 12 reb, 4 ast, 1.3 stl, 1.9 blk, 2.4 TO, 45% FG (17.1 FGA), 80% FT (7.4 FTA)

Duncan: 20.6 pts, 11.9 reb, 3.4 ast, .9 stl, 2.5 blk, 2.3 TO, 46% FG (17 FGA), 70% FT (7.0 FTA)

On the whole, Garnett and Duncan pretty much cancelled each other out.  The difference in those 2 series was that David Robinson almost matched Duncan's production and was the other dominant player on the court.  The Wolves lacked the firepower to compete with the other Spurs. 

[xmuscularghandix]

Losers hate losing, and they take it out on those who win "loudly".

[Celtics4ever]

Both Dirk and Kevin are not true blue Power Forwards.  I think Duncan has more of the classic power forward skill set.  Dirk plays PF because of his size but he really has the skillset of a small forward and shoots threes.  Kevin's shoots a lot of mid range jumpers which he is quite good at but they take him out of rebounding position often.  These guys really are not the norm at PF same could be said for Rashard Lewis.

I think of your classic Power Forward as more of the Tim Duncan or Kevin McHale low post scorer or a defensive minded rebounder like Silas or Rodman.   These jump shooting power forwards kill their teams on the boards and I think its one reason we are lackluster at rebounding.  I know he is getting 8.9 RPG a game but we'd have 2-3 more a game if he played more down low.  His rebounds have dropped that many since coming here.   It may be Doc's offense though or age related.

[Moranis]

I just place KG firmly in the Peyton Manning category. Yes. He was very good. But there were others clearly better or just as good so why do we always talk about him?  

Slightly off topic, but I don't think there were any PFs in his era who were clearly better than KG.  I think Duncan was better, but I think it's arguable.  Those two were clearly the two best PFs of their time, though, I think.

Rodman. Dirk. Webber. Having a hard time thinking of the spectacular supporting cast Jermaine O'Neal had back in the day other than Reggie. Obviously if you open it up to just big men in general you got Shaq and Zo.  When you open it to players in general you get Iverson, Lebron, Steve Nash, Kobe, Jason Kidd back in the day.

KG is a much better all-around PF than Rodman, and I'm not sure that they played in the same era.

KG did everything Webber did on offense, and played much better defense.  Similarly, Dirk isn't in the conversation due to his lack of D.  JO had neither the peak nor the longevity.  Same thing with Zo.  

Shaq was better than KG.

Rodman was the only player I ever saw straight up defend Shaq. And he did a lot of dirty work. The kind that Perk does now.

Not saying JO was better. Just that some of the same excuses people give KG go for him too. Also JO's team went to the finals I think.

Webber took the Kings to the promised land and was within a very very very crooked series of winning.

Dirk took his team to a finals. So did Iverson. So did Lebron. Kidd did twice. Malone at least half did twice. Zo didn't have longevity?

Until KG came to the Celts for all his intensity he was nowhere near as accomplished as any of these guys

Take a look at the rosters before you start criticizing. Also at the time it was alot easier to advance in the East. Most of the players you mentioned got to the finals with better teams around them. KG could not beat Shaq and Kobe by himself which was essentially what would have had to happen with the 'talent' that was around him at the time. What is with the hate? KG is on the team and he makes the team better. Wow. I get you don't like KG's antics, not eveeryones cup of tea I get that. The haterade is overboard.  You are grasping at straws. I would enjoy KG being here because with him here the C's have a chance at winning another championship. You are not going to change anyones mind about KG.

KG got out of the first round 1 time in Minnesota.  If they were always losing to the Lakers or Spurs in the conference finals that would have been one thing, but losing in the first round of the post season for 7 consecutive seasons is quite another.  And in only 1 of those 7 consecutive years did the Wolves even play the team that represented the Western Conference in the Finals (the Spurs in 99).

KG is a great complimentary player (maybe the best ever in that regard), but he is not a #1 guy and never has been.  He always has needed players around with him the killer instinct and stones to hit the big shot.  He got that with Spree and Co. in Minny and now has it with Pierce and Allen in Boston.

[Fafnir]

KG is a great complimentary player (maybe the best ever in that regard), but he is not a #1 guy and never has been.  He always has needed players around with him the killer instinct and stones to hit the big shot.  He got that with Spree and Co. in Minny and now has it with Pierce and Allen in Boston.

I think that's unfair, his offensive game hasn't aged as well so now he needs Pierce/Allen/Rondo. But early in his career he was a dynamic number one offensive option. Excellent shooting, passing, face up, and post game.

Plus I'll add that every time he's had a decent team around him he went far in the playoffs, they put a lot of garbage around him.

[BballTim]

Both Dirk and Kevin are not true blue Power Forwards.  I think Duncan has more of the classic power forward skill set.  Dirk plays PF because of his size but he really has the skillset of a small forward and shoots threes.  Kevin's shoots a lot of mid range jumpers which he is quite good at but they take him out of rebounding position often.  These guys really are not the norm at PF same could be said for Rashard Lewis.

I think of your classic Power Forward as more of the Tim Duncan or Kevin McHale low post scorer or a defensive minded rebounder like Silas or Rodman.   These jump shooting power forwards kill their teams on the boards and I think its one reason we are lackluster at rebounding.  I know he is getting 8.9 RPG a game but we'd have 2-3 more a game if he played more down low.  His rebounds have dropped that many since coming here.   It may be Doc's offense though or age related.

  Different nba now. Having two low post players clogs up the lane. You want to have a big that can hit the outside shot and pull a defender out of the lane.

  By the way, even if you check out the 02-03 season (as far back as 82games goes) TD was taking 60% of his shots as jumpers.