Would you trade Rondo for Griffin straight up?

[Brendan]

As a for example:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=66gtd73

I cannot figure out why LAC would do trade Griffin, but if they had too - this would work.

You'd play a big rotation of:

C: Perk / Shaq / KG
PF: KG / Blake

And the rest would be:

Pierce / Ray / Chauncey

with Daniels and West off the bench.

Von Wafer and Semih are your 10th and 11th men, with Luke as your 12th man and AB in the NBA-DL.


So yeah - I'd do a trade where the main pieces were Griffin and Rondo, if we could move some of our excess. Send 3 mill for LAC to buyout Jermaine (he probably signs cross town with LAL?) and a draft pick.

[jambr380]

This kind of reminds me of when people were asking if they would trade Paul Pierce for [a then undrafted] Lebron James. Obviously Rondo is awesome and as good as they get as a PG, but geez, Blake Griffin is outperforming anyone's expectations. I truly thought he was going to be more like Michael Beasley. Outrageous dunks aside, this guy is a stud.

[BballTim]

This kind of reminds me of when people were asking if they would trade Paul Pierce for [a then undrafted] Lebron James. Obviously Rondo is awesome and as good as they get as a PG, but geez, Blake Griffin is outperforming anyone's expectations. I truly thought he was going to be more like Michael Beasley. Outrageous dunks aside, this guy is a stud.

  If he stays on the Clippers his whole career, how many titles does everyone expect him to win?

[PosImpos]

I wouldn't even blink before saying HELL YES.

[Mike-Dub]

Blake Griffin for Rondo means no chance at a chip this season.

But, if we knew right now that we would not win another championship with the squad as it is now, I'd do the trade in a heartbeat and start over.

This.

[Eja117]

This kind of reminds me of when people were asking if they would trade Paul Pierce for [a then undrafted] Lebron James. Obviously Rondo is awesome and as good as they get as a PG, but geez, Blake Griffin is outperforming anyone's expectations. I truly thought he was going to be more like Michael Beasley. Outrageous dunks aside, this guy is a stud.

  If he stays on the Clippers his whole career, how many titles does everyone expect him to win?

I'd say negative 4, but with two Olympic golds

[Celticsman]

don't touch Rondooooooooo ; )

[bdm860]

I'd rather have a great PG and an average PF than a great PF that depends on an average PG to get him the ball.

Not me.  Historically, having a great post presence has proved more important than having a top notch PG.  In choosing between bigs vs. guards, I'll take the dominant big.

You think so?  How would you say history has proven that?  (Hope that doesn't sound rude, legitimately interested in your opinion).

And are you talking just PG's vs low post PF's and C's.  Or are we talking all guards vs all bigs? Or all bigs vs all non bigs?

Personally I think it's more of a toss up.  To me I don't think one position really dominates vs the other.  I would say early history definitely shows post presence was more important, more recent history I'm not so sure about though.

If we look at Finals MVP awards, 19 have gone to guards, 16 have gone to centers or forwards/centers, 7 have gone to forwards or forwards/guards (of these I would only consider Cornbread a low post presence). Granted this does only go back to ’69, so we’re missing what would be a lot of likely Final’s MVPs won by Russell and Mikan.  But based on the awards given I wouldn’t say low post guys dominate.

We can also look at regular season MVP’s.  Here we have 28 going to center or center/forward, 13 going to forwards (guys I would consider low post presence would be Karl Malone, Garnett, Barkley), and 14 guards.  This definitely tips the scales to the big guys.  But if we’re looking low post guys vs. non low post guys, it’s only 32 to 23 by my unofficial count (but somebody else could get a different count based on how you classify guys).

Also I think the low post guys dominated a lot more in the early days of the NBA as opposed to now.  Look at the last 20 years.  Finals MVPs have gone to more guards (11 guards, 8 centers or forward/centers, 1 forward/guard).  Regular season MVP's have been more even ( 5 centers or center/forward, 8 guards, 7 forwards (includeds Garnet, Malone 2x and Barkely) So I would count this as 9 low post guys.

Of course very few point guards winning the awards.  Only Billups and Parker in the last 20 years for the Finals MVP, with Nash 2x and Iverson winning the regular season awards.

In my opinion, it's easier to replace player who score points than it is to replace players who  make others better, players who play defense, and players who are clutch.  It's not so dependent on position.  (Not saying Rondo or Griffin is or isn't this).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Finals_MVP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_MVP_Award

[GreenEnvy]

Rondo is putting up stats similar to Kidd and Nash, two future HOFers.

Griffin, in his rookie season, is putting up stats similar to Duncan and Shaq, two of the most dominant players ever.

Rondo already has a ring, but the other two PG's don't.

The bigs have 6 Finals MVP's between them.



But I don't think I can do Griffin for Rondo. Starting a new team, I probably take Griffin, as there are a handful of PG's who can produce (Rondo, CP3, Williams, Rose, Westbrook, Nash, etc). But a player like Griffin can make the Felton's or even Augustin's look like really good PG's.

The Celtics are a team built to win a championship. Just as I wouldn't trade KG for Rose, we can't trade a position we lack depth in for a great talent at a position we already have an all-star at.

[The DarkPassenger]

No way. I like Griffin but Rondo can be someone you build a team around... I mean if he ever develops a jump shot... watch out.

[Edgar]

No way. I like Griffin but Rondo can be someone you build a team around... I mean if he ever develops a jump shot... watch out.

mm... wonder if Clips are thinking about making the clips around blake
just wondering...

[Edgar]

Rondo is putting up stats similar to Kidd and Nash, two future HOFers.

Griffin, in his rookie season, is putting up stats similar to Duncan and Shaq, two of the most dominant players ever.

Rondo already has a ring, but the other two PG's don't.

The bigs have 6 Finals MVP's between them.



But I don't think I can do Griffin for Rondo. Starting a new team, I probably take Griffin, as there are a handful of PG's who can produce (Rondo, CP3, Williams, Rose, Westbrook, Nash, etc). But a player like Griffin can make the Felton's or even Augustin's look like really good PG's.

The Celtics are a team built to win a championship. Just as I wouldn't trade KG for Rose, we can't trade a position we lack depth in for a great talent at a position we already have an all-star at.

and youre right
i would never do that trade before trying championship this year

after this one i bite LA owners hand to make it happend

[Megatron]

Blake Griffin is the best thing to happen to the Clippers in franchise history.

They would never trade him. Griffin has the chance to be the best player in the league, and MVP in a years time.

Basically trading Rondo for Griffin is like trading Rondo for LeBron. AKA it aint gonna happen why bother thinking about it.

And yes, I do believe that in a few years Griffin will be better then LeBron.

[Edgar]

And yes, I do believe that in a few years Griffin will be better then LeBron.

I not only think so

I hope so

[BballTim]

Rondo is putting up stats similar to Kidd and Nash, two future HOFers.

Griffin, in his rookie season, is putting up stats similar to Duncan and Shaq, two of the most dominant players ever.

Rondo already has a ring, but the other two PG's don't.

The bigs have 6 Finals MVP's between them.

  Has Shaq ever been on a team with a losing record? I wouldn't rush to put Griffin in that class. Maybe after he leads teams to 3-4 titles, not while he's putting up big numbers on a losing team.