Anyone think they could get anything for Nate?

[incoherent]

We are still winning games with Nate getting minutes.

[More Banners]

My gut says he doesn't have much value, and never did.  The only reason he's getting paid what he is (and got paid what he did by NYK) is because of cap rules that limit a team's ability to get anyone other than their own players.  Otherwise, I think he'd be a minimum contract player.

His value around the league is not as a player, but as a contract.  We might be able to include him in a deal for salary matching purposes, but I doubt any team thinks Nate Robinson is going to make a difference for them.

[nyceltsfan]

Sounds like Detroit is looking to shed Rip Hamilton's salary.  The main issue is that he is a 3-year contract.  Jermaine and Nate for Rip works in the trade machine.  It opens up a roster spot for the Celts to look for another big man or bring back Sheed, who can't be any worse than Jermaine at this point.

[greenpride32]

JO is signed for 2 years right? If that is the case he is not a tradeable asset this year; nobody would take him. 

[Chris]

I think Nate is one of our more tradable assets.  Davis and Perk are also up there, but they are more valuable to the team, given the injuries we have had up front.  If West comes back healthy, Nate could be considered expendable. 

The problem is, I am not sure we would get a ton for him by himself, so you would have to combine him with Perk or Davis to get real value...and then you leave yourselves pretty thin up front.

Ultimately, I think they stand pat with him.  He brings more value to this team as an energizer off the bench/10th man than he does in a trade.

[gar]

Nate:
7.8 pts, 2.2 asts, 1.7 reb in 19.3
35.4% 3p / 41.6% 2p

Eddie:
6.1 pts, 1.1 asts, 1.5 reb in 16.5
43.8% 3p / 4.14% 2p

Eddie has one half the number of attempts that Nate does. Don't know how many of Eddie's minutes are in garbage time (love those late 3's up by 20). Need to see something more from Nate soon otherwise Delonte will be taking his minutes. Wafer is also coming on and would like to see him get some more opportunities. Marquis is playing solid (as long as his ankle is OK) so hope he doesn't mind riding the pine.

[gar]

I think Nate is one of our more tradable assets.  Davis and Perk are also up there, but they are more valuable to the team, given the injuries we have had up front.  If West comes back healthy, Nate could be considered expendable. 

The problem is, I am not sure we would get a ton for him by himself, so you would have to combine him with Perk or Davis to get real value...and then you leave yourselves pretty thin up front.

Ultimately, I think they stand pat with him.  He brings more value to this team as an energizer off the bench/10th man than he does in a trade.

10th man not 6th man - sums it up nicely - TP!

[Chris]

I think Nate is one of our more tradable assets.  Davis and Perk are also up there, but they are more valuable to the team, given the injuries we have had up front.  If West comes back healthy, Nate could be considered expendable. 

The problem is, I am not sure we would get a ton for him by himself, so you would have to combine him with Perk or Davis to get real value...and then you leave yourselves pretty thin up front.

Ultimately, I think they stand pat with him.  He brings more value to this team as an energizer off the bench/10th man than he does in a trade.

10th man not 6th man - sums it up nicely - TP!

Oh yeah, once West is back, I expect him to get the majority of the backup minutes at the 1 and 2 (well, come playoff time anyways, when they shorten the rotation).  Nate will be more of a secret weapon, who will be brought in against certain matchups, and when they need a change of pace/burst of energy.

[slamtheking]

JO is signed for 2 years right? If that is the case he is not a tradeable asset this year; nobody would take him.  

I wouldn't automatically dismiss JO's appeal.

The prior proposal was to move him for Hamilton on a 3-year deal.  Saving another team money in the short term (which would be Nate expiring after this year) and the following year (when JO comes off the books) would certainly be something another team, Detroit in this case, would consider.  

Throw in the possibility of next year's lockout and possibly not paying Nate & JO at all as opposed to knowing you've still got Hamilton on your books when the new CBA kicks in, acquiring JO can still act as a form of salary dump that may interest some teams.

One other bonus is that if JO doesn't get surgery this year, he can be possibly declared medically ineligible for next year, free  a roster spot and possibly have his salary covered by insurance thereby saving the acquiring team some significant change.

I think it's premature to dismiss the possibility of moving JO (and possibly the necessity of moving him based on the recent developments to rehab another month so he can last the rest of the season and the playoffs)

EDIT: or to provide an example, think of what we gave up when we moved Raef to get Theo who had one less year on his contract

[jasail]

He will be the the 11th man off the bench once DWest comes back, as i think Wafer has more to offer this team than Nate does.  Part of the reason Nate gets more playing time at this point is that he is the second unit's point guard, West changes that. 

I doubt he is in the playoff rotation, unless the C's are looking for instant offense and he gets subbed in and provides it early and often.     

So really anything they can get for him that improves a position of weakness should be an upgrade, provided Delonte is healthy and ready to go. 

[nyceltsfan]

JO is signed for 2 years right? If that is the case he is not a tradeable asset this year; nobody would take him. 

I wouldn't automatically dismiss JO's appeal.

The prior proposal was to move him for Hamilton on a 3-year deal.  Saving another team money in the short term (which would be Nate expiring after this year) and the following year (when JO comes off the books) would certainly be something another team, Detroit in this case, would consider. 

Throw in the possibility of next year's lockout and possibly not paying Nate & JO at all as opposed to knowing you've still got Hamilton on your books when the new CBA kicks in, acquiring JO can still act as a form of salary dump that may interest some teams.

One other bonus is that if JO doesn't get surgery this year, he can be possibly declared medically ineligible for next year, free  a roster spot and possibly have his salary covered by insurance thereby saving the acquiring team some significant change.

I think it's premature to dismiss the possibility of moving JO (and possibly the necessity of moving him based on the recent developments to rehab another month so he can last the rest of the season and the playoffs)

TP - That was exactly my point.  As you said, Detroit gets 2-year deals, one guy substantially younger than Rip, who will play no less than Rip does and will provide some competition for Stuckey (even though Stuckey is much better).

Rip gives the Celts a 6-7 body who can shoot and play defense, giving them wing depth and making them slightly less reliant on Marquis.

I actually do not see much downside to this trade for Detroit.  The downside for Boston is that they will still be paying Rip 3 years from now, but it could be worth it if he is a piece of another championship or 2.

[MBz]

Can't trade him until Delonte comes back.  You need the depth in the back court.  Avery Bradley just simply isn't ready to log big minutes.

[Eddie20]

JO is signed for 2 years right? If that is the case he is not a tradeable asset this year; nobody would take him. 

I wouldn't automatically dismiss JO's appeal.

The prior proposal was to move him for Hamilton on a 3-year deal.  Saving another team money in the short term (which would be Nate expiring after this year) and the following year (when JO comes off the books) would certainly be something another team, Detroit in this case, would consider. 

Throw in the possibility of next year's lockout and possibly not paying Nate & JO at all as opposed to knowing you've still got Hamilton on your books when the new CBA kicks in, acquiring JO can still act as a form of salary dump that may interest some teams.

One other bonus is that if JO doesn't get surgery this year, he can be possibly declared medically ineligible for next year, free  a roster spot and possibly have his salary covered by insurance thereby saving the acquiring team some significant change.

I think it's premature to dismiss the possibility of moving JO (and possibly the necessity of moving him based on the recent developments to rehab another month so he can last the rest of the season and the playoffs)

TP - That was exactly my point.  As you said, Detroit gets 2-year deals, one guy substantially younger than Rip, who will play no less than Rip does and will provide some competition for Stuckey (even though Stuckey is much better).

Rip gives the Celts a 6-7 body who can shoot and play defense, giving them wing depth and making them slightly less reliant on Marquis.

I actually do not see much downside to this trade for Detroit.  The downside for Boston is that they will still be paying Rip 3 years from now, but it could be worth it if he is a piece of another championship or 2.

And Detroit could also buyout JO, who could then re-sign with us in 30 days (he'll be rehabbing anyways). Although, I doubt he'll leave money on the table.

[dysgenic]

Nate to me needs a lose a few pounds, he looks too heavy.  I'm one of the few that likes his game, but I'll admit he is playing pretty poorly right now.  I'd rather keep him and see if he can find his offense, because come playoff time we might need him.  If he can get right, one of the things I like about him is that you can go to him for instant offense and energy.
Right now he sucks, though.

[birdwatcher]

Nate to me needs a lose a few pounds, he looks too heavy.  I'm one of the few that likes his game, but I'll admit he is playing pretty poorly right now.  I'd rather keep him and see if he can find his offense, because come playoff time we might need him.  If he can get right, one of the things I like about him is that you can go to him for instant offense and energy.
Right now he sucks, though.

Heavy as in too muscular I hope? Doc was saying on WEEI today that Nate and Ray are two of the most in shape players on the team.