Melo representatives trying to get him to Chicago? ( Wojo Rumor)

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I think something is going to come out of all this free agent superstar dictating where they are going.  See Lebron/Bosh & Carmelo.
Its called collective bargaining and its coming.  Think owners of teams, multimillionaires like to have a basketball player and their agents telling them they will only go to this list of teams etc etc.  You have to feel for denver, they've done their best to put a good team there, carmelo going public has greatly hurt their team.  Carmelo has lowered his own trade value giving denver little they can do except take highest bidder now or he simply walks to ny where he wants to go.  The team being highest bidder is renting him for playoffs and has a huge chance of loosing him then.
I don't know, he's a great player but is he THAT great.  I'll take PP at his age over him, send carmelo to sac kings or someone worse.

[Edgar]

what will chcago spposibly will give

[greg683x]

didnt Chicago also pass on a trade that wouldve landed them Kobe Bryant because they didnt want to give up Deng??  I vaguely remember that there was a trade on the table and the Bulls passed on Kobe Bryant b/c they wanted Deng to be his 'Scottie Pippen'


You Gotta make this trade.  This would be a team that I think would give the Heat HUUUUUGE fits for years.  Rose can match up well with Wade, Melo I think can at least hang with Lebron (I'd assume theyd give Deng away to Denver, if not he'd be a great Lebron defender), and Boozer would absolutely OWN Bosh.

Imagine if Danny turned down the proposed Kevin Garnett trade because he was too stubborn to give up Al Jefferson

[Fafnir]

didnt Chicago also pass on a trade that wouldve landed them Kobe Bryant because they didnt want to give up Deng??  I vaguely remember that there was a trade on the table and the Bulls passed on Kobe Bryant b/c they wanted Deng to be his 'Scottie Pippen'


You Gotta make this trade.  This would be a team that I think would give the Heat HUUUUUGE fits for years.  Rose can match up well with Wade, Melo I think can at least hang with Lebron (I'd assume theyd give Deng away to Denver, if not he'd be a great Lebron defender), and Boozer would absolutely OWN Bosh.

Imagine if Danny turned down the proposed Kevin Garnett trade because he was too stubborn to give up Al Jefferson

No Kobe has a no trade clause, he nixed that deal because he thought the Bulls wouldn't have enough of a team around him.

[greg683x]

didnt Chicago also pass on a trade that wouldve landed them Kobe Bryant because they didnt want to give up Deng??  I vaguely remember that there was a trade on the table and the Bulls passed on Kobe Bryant b/c they wanted Deng to be his 'Scottie Pippen'


You Gotta make this trade.  This would be a team that I think would give the Heat HUUUUUGE fits for years.  Rose can match up well with Wade, Melo I think can at least hang with Lebron (I'd assume theyd give Deng away to Denver, if not he'd be a great Lebron defender), and Boozer would absolutely OWN Bosh.

Imagine if Danny turned down the proposed Kevin Garnett trade because he was too stubborn to give up Al Jefferson

No Kobe has a no trade clause, he nixed that deal because he thought the Bulls wouldn't have enough of a team around him.

ahhh thats what it was.  Tommy Point

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Noah/Deng is a steep price tag for Melo.  I wouldn't do it.

[BballTim]

didnt Chicago also pass on a trade that wouldve landed them Kobe Bryant because they didnt want to give up Deng??  I vaguely remember that there was a trade on the table and the Bulls passed on Kobe Bryant b/c they wanted Deng to be his 'Scottie Pippen'


You Gotta make this trade.  This would be a team that I think would give the Heat HUUUUUGE fits for years.  Rose can match up well with Wade, Melo I think can at least hang with Lebron (I'd assume theyd give Deng away to Denver, if not he'd be a great Lebron defender), and Boozer would absolutely OWN Bosh.

Imagine if Danny turned down the proposed Kevin Garnett trade because he was too stubborn to give up Al Jefferson

  They also shied away from trading for KG because they didn't want to part with some of those guys.

[More Banners]

Noah/Deng is a steep price tag for Melo.  I wouldn't do it.

Tough one.  I don't think the Bulls have the pieces Denver would want, but I think the fit wouldn't be right.  If Boozer is the 3rd option, what other skill does he have that contributes?  His defense isn't cutting it for Thibs...

So I think the Bulls are better off passing on this deal.  There will be some good players available at SG next year (including Quisy) that could better complement the good team they have going.

Why Korver, I'll never know...but they're mostly good.

[FallGuy]

The National Basketball Association, where guys who are going to be free agents next year basically control the league. I love the game, but honestly, this stuff with the players manipulating the owners is really starting to get to me. Why can't there be more Cliff Lee's in this world.

Not a good idea. If there were more Cliff Lee's in this world, the Yankees might get one.

[greg683x]

EDIT: wrong thread.

[action781]

If Denver acquired Noah, what use would they have for Nene?  So why not send Nene back to Chicago with 'Melo?

Cuz this is the NBA, not me borrowing tools from my neighbor. Nene has value, why would they give him away?

At 2 years, 23 million he has some value, but not a ton.  It's not exactly "giving him away" either I don't think.  It would be giving away if the Bulls would agree to Deng/Noah and the Nuggets said "Oh, take Nene too!"  This is a case where the Bulls declined so the Nuggets obviously would need to give more to get the deal done if Deng/Noah are really the pieces that Denver covets.

[Surferdad]

Noah isn't even THAT good.  Chicago is the dumbest team in the league if they won't move a top 10 C for a top 3 SF.

1) Dwight Howard
2) Noah

Before he was hurt, Noah was averaging 15.5 points, 13.6 boards, the best rebound rate in the league, 1.4 blocks, and only 3 fouls over 38 minutes. On top of that he had a true shooting % of 58.7 (which is good for 14th in the league among centers, 9th best among starting centers). And that's only the stat line, that's not factoring in his role as the vocal leader of the Bulls' defense and lockerroom leadership.

He was a terrible matchup on Dwight Howard, and a poor matchup on Shaq because of their size and strength.

Against everyone else though, Noah is one of the best centers in the league.
 

When healthy I would consider any of these Centers on the same level as Noah if not better:

Howard
Stoudemire
Bogut
Horford
Jefferson
Lopez
Okafor
Yao
Bynum
Kaman
Oden
Duncan (kinda)

Opinions differ but I consider Noah a tad overrated.

Agreed.  Noah is a decent center, but not a top one.  To me, Melo/Boozer/Rose with Thibs as HC is just too good to pass up.  Chicago is just not good enough as currently constructed to get past BOS/MIA/ORL.

[Fan from VT]

Noah isn't even THAT good.  Chicago is the dumbest team in the league if they won't move a top 10 C for a top 3 SF.

1) Dwight Howard
2) Noah

Before he was hurt, Noah was averaging 15.5 points, 13.6 boards, the best rebound rate in the league, 1.4 blocks, and only 3 fouls over 38 minutes. On top of that he had a true shooting % of 58.7 (which is good for 14th in the league among centers, 9th best among starting centers). And that's only the stat line, that's not factoring in his role as the vocal leader of the Bulls' defense and lockerroom leadership.

He was a terrible matchup on Dwight Howard, and a poor matchup on Shaq because of their size and strength.

Against everyone else though, Noah is one of the best centers in the league.
 

When healthy I would consider any of these Centers on the same level as Noah if not better:

Howard
Stoudemire
Bogut
Horford
Jefferson
Lopez
Okafor
Yao
Bynum
Kaman
Oden
Duncan (kinda)

Opinions differ but I consider Noah a tad overrated.

Agreed.  Noah is a decent center, but not a top one.  To me, Melo/Boozer/Rose with Thibs as HC is just too good to pass up.  Chicago is just not good enough as currently constructed to get past BOS/MIA/ORL.

Considering that they have Boozer (wide, strong, very good on offense, I think Noah is better for the bulls than Kaman, Bynum, Okafor (close, I like okafor but think noah is better), Big Al, Lopez and stoudemire. Yao is irrelevant; never healthy and these days is atrocious on defense. Lopez has regressed, doesn't defend, and doesn't rebound. think the bulls would have to think about trading Noah for Bogut, but Bogut isn't back to form yet. Most likely they'd have to swap him for Horford (good defender and can play offense). Obviously Howard would be an upgrade.


I don't think they can trade him for Carmelo right now. Here's why:
-Melo is a step below the gamechangers like Lebron and Wade. He's more a Bosh/Boozer/Amare.
-Chicago is leading the league in defense and hasn't had Boozer/Noah together yet. Need to see how they do together as they really should complement each other. With Thibs and the already #1 defense, this is a long term model for serious success.
-This isn't quite a situation of Chicago refusing to trade "potential" for a star. Noah is already legit. He's a super athletic big, plays off the ball, (important component for a contending team; think KG and Ray), is efficient, and is a 14.0/11.7/2.7 player with 1.6 blocks, 1.2 steals. That's pretty valuable for a big guy.
-Following up, Melo might be a little overrated. He rebounds well, but doesn't defend very well. Doesn't shoot threes. He isn't very efficient in his scoring, and he has a high usage rate to get his points. He's still very very good obviously, but just may not be the best fit for Chicago if Chicago is losing Noah and Deng, as Rose-Melo-Boozer is a fairly offense-heavy, not so defensive core.
-For chicago to be successful, they need to contend with Miami, Boston, and Orlando. For Orlando, they need big bodies to throw at Howard. Losing Noah without replacing him hurts there. Noah is just the type of athletic defender that gives boston fits. And Deng is a much better wing defender than Melo, which would be very valuable against Miami, and the Noah/Boozer combo key there for exploiting Miamis lack of size.
-Deng is a very good defender and another guy who plays off the ball with lowish usage. Chicago is very weak at 2 guard. If they lose Deng for Carmelo, they do not really have anyone at the 2/3 willing to play good, effective defense. So the question is, considering that Rose/Boozer are kind of the big/little combo punch on offense, would upgrading from deng to melo on offense be worth it? At the SF spot, Chicago would lose 3 point range, gain a ~33% raise in rebounding and scoring, but lose Deng's defense, and the bump in scoring (33% or so), comes with a ~50% raise in Small Forward Usage rate. Add in the fact that you lose Noah's contribution at C/PF, and I really don't know if, purely basketball wise, Melo is a true upgrade over a combo of Deng/Noah, if Deng gives you 75% of melo's offense with better defense and only 66% as many touches.
-Chicago is set up very well to have a balanced, deep, talented team going forward. Rose has taken a step and is already the leader. Boozer is the oldest key piece at 29; Deng and Noah are 25. So they have a leader/main offensive user, a low-post offensive guy and strong rebounder, a super do it all athletic glue type center/defender/do whatever guy, and a SF defender/range/rebounder/off the ball guy. I don't think they should drop their two defender/do it all at a very high level guys for another offense/touches guy, not when you're banking on Kurt Thomas. Chicago is poised for a solid 5-6 year run here if they play it right. What they really need is an upgrade at shooting guard; someone like aaron afflalo would be awesome there. They have Charlotte's 2012 1st rounder, their own firster, and the moveable contracts of scal, korver, johnson, brewer, watson and the asset of Gibson (filled in very well for Boozer), as well as free agency. I say they should take their time, and use exceptions/minor trade assets to get a strong 2 guard for their starting 5, and this would help them much better than swapping Noah/Deng for Melo then trying to patch SG and C and defense around that.

Potential fits:
Free agents:
JR Smith (range and spacing as a true SG)
Shannon Brown
Azubuike
Jason Richardson


Available via trade?
OJ mayo (scary on chicago)
Corey Brewer (Meh)
Iguodala (Gibson, Korver, Brewer, Pick?)

[PosImpos]

Chicago *should* move Noah if it brings back Carmelo -- especially considering how admirably Kurt Thomas has filled in -- but they won't.  In my opinion, it's remarkably similar to how they wouldn't move Deng or Hinrich for Pau Gasol.  How'd that one work out?

Honestly, I'm not convinced that Carmelo is worth that much more than Noah.

[pearljammer10]

Awesome, another untrue Melo rumor that isnt going to happen because he wants to go to the Knicks or stay in Denver. Cant wait for this to be blown out of proportion.