Time to trade Brady?

[Fafnir]

So which is it? We need a great QB?  Or it's  a team sport and you don't need a great QB? If it's such a TEAM sport and you need a great defense then what is so bad about trading a player to reinforce the defense/team?
 
The same people are saying Brady has 4-5 years left and simultaneously the defense is years away and that it's a team game.  Well then.  

False dichotomy.

Football is the ultimate team sport where three separate units of 11 men to a side have to choreograph effectively to win the game. You need a good overall team to win the super bowl. Special teams, defense, and offense.

Having an MVP caliber QB is the biggest single piece to creating a overall winning team, beacuse an elite QB is the biggest piece to an offense. Thus one player can make the biggest possible contribution to 1/3 of the game. So trading such a QB is non-sensical if your goal is to create a winner in the short or medium term. Especially when your likely return is unknown draft picks.

You need a good team to win, but you also need some luck. You need to make the 50/50 plays, you need to be healthy, and you need to play well.

[rondohondo]

Most of the people disagreeing with me are doing a couple things.

1. Not paying attention to what I said. I didn't say trade him. There's a question mark on the  thread. I said see what you can get for him.

2. Totally contradicting themselves.  On the one hand it's a team game. We need a better defense. Then they point at Trent Dilfer and say "There. See. Winning doesn't make you a great QB automatically" (even though it kinda does).

But Dilfer won a Super Bowl

So which is it? We need a great QB?  Or it's  a team sport and you don't need a great QB? If it's such a TEAM sport and you need a great defense then what is so bad about trading a player to reinforce the defense/team?
 
The same people are saying Brady has 4-5 years left and simultaneously the defense is years away and that it's a team game.  Well then.  

[dpaps]

Colt McCoy is a better QB than Tom Brady too, according to Eja.

What an absolute joke.

[Rondo2287]

Most of the people disagreeing with me are doing a couple things.

1. Not paying attention to what I said. I didn't say trade him. There's a question mark on the  thread. I said see what you can get for him.

2. Totally contradicting themselves.  On the one hand it's a team game. We need a better defense. Then they point at Trent Dilfer and say "There. See. Winning doesn't make you a great QB automatically" (even though it kinda does).

But Dilfer won a Super Bowl

So which is it? We need a great QB?  Or it's  a team sport and you don't need a great QB? If it's such a TEAM sport and you need a great defense then what is so bad about trading a player to reinforce the defense/team?
 
The same people are saying Brady has 4-5 years left and simultaneously the defense is years away and that it's a team game.  Well then.  

QB's to win the superbowl since 2000
Kurt Warner
Trent Dilfer
Tom Brady
Brad Johnson
Tom Brady
Tom BRady
Big Ben
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Big Ben
Drew Brees

Three out of 11 Superbowls were won by teams without great QB's.  Those three teams that won it without great QB's all had fantastic defenses.  

[Fafnir]

I'd say 5 out of 11 were won by not great QBs.

Big Ben and Tom were not the QBs they became later to be during their first SB wins.

[Rondo2287]

I'd say 5 out of 11 were won by not great QBs.

Big Ben and Tom were not the QBs they became later to be during their first SB wins.

Fair enough, but you can also say that the 2001 Pats D and that Steelers D were elite Defenses. 

[Fafnir]

I'd say 5 out of 11 were won by not great QBs.

Big Ben and Tom were not the QBs they became later to be during their first SB wins.

Fair enough, but you can also say that the 2001 Pats D and that Steelers D were elite Defenses. 

Oh yeah 100% that's part of what I was trying to say actually.

I think having an elite D or an elite O (which typically means great QB) is how you win the SB.

[Rondo2287]

I'd say 5 out of 11 were won by not great QBs.

Big Ben and Tom were not the QBs they became later to be during their first SB wins.

So would you say that you either need a Great QB or Elite defense?

I definitely agree with your point that the easiest way to make up for lacking in other parts of your team is an elite QB which we have seen recently

[BballTim]

Best season of his career? I totally disagree.

And if Sanchez does win the Super Bowl then I'd have to say Sanchez passes Brady as the better quarterback. 

That's just plain silly.  That would also rank Snachez of Brees, Manning and any other QB who doesn't win the Super Bowl.  Only one team wins every year. 

Right. The QB that went on the road and outplayed every other QB on their turf and then won the Super Bowl would have to be considered the best QB in football. Exactly. Kinda like when Brady did it and Montana did it people started to consider them the best QBs in football.

  Without reading all the posts, your logic seems to assume that Sanchez and Brady play all of the positions on offense, defense and special teams. Otherwise, no, you can't just say that the team that wins the super bowl has the best qb.

Exactly...the Ravens won in 2000 with Trent Dilfer at quarterback...nuff said.  There's no way you can say Sanchez automatically becomes the best QB in the league just because you win the super bowl.  It's called a TEAM effort.

Give me Trent Dilfer's career over Dan Marino's all day long and twice on any given Sunday.


Who do you think is happier with the career of their QB? Miami fans, or Baltimore fans?

  I doubt any fans in Baltimore thought that Trent Dilfer was the reason they won the Super Bowl. He only had one other season in his career where he won a playoff game and he never started another playoff game after that year. And, more importantly, nobody would ever come to the ridiculous conclusion that the Dolphins would have been more successful or even close to as successful with Dilfer instead of Marino.

  Who's career do you think Philly fans liked more Charles Barkley or Franklin Edwards? Because one of them was on a title team and one of them wasn't.

[Fafnir]

I'd say 5 out of 11 were won by not great QBs.

Big Ben and Tom were not the QBs they became later to be during their first SB wins.

So would you say that you either need a Great QB or Elite defense?

I definitely agree with your point that the easiest way to make up for lacking in other parts of your team is an elite QB which we have seen recently

I think you need to be a very good football team overall. That can be an amazing team on one side, or more balanced composition.

Typically teams are "known" for one side of the ball, though the Pats during their two peat had overall elite level defenses iirc and an elite offense as well. I'm sure there are many others too.

[Jon]

This may be the silliest threat in this board's history.  The Pats have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds this spring. 

For as good as the Pats were, this was a rebuilding year that Bellichick simply made look good.  Give this young defense another year together, upgrade the D-line, get a pass rusher, and another corner (all quite possible with the picks they have) and they are going to be a lot better next year. 

And the rest of the league should be scared by that. 

[dpaps]

This may be the silliest threat in this board's history.  The Pats have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds this spring. 

For as good as the Pats were, this was a rebuilding year that Bellichick simply made look good.  Give this young defense another year together, upgrade the D-line, get a pass rusher, and another corner (all quite possible with the picks they have) and they are going to be a lot better next year. 

And the rest of the league should be scared by that. 

I agree with this post completely. Tp

[Rondo2287]

Isnt this pretty much like saying the Magic should trade Dwight for Perk because Perk has a Title and Dwight doesnt?

[Spilling Green Dye]

No, I wouldn't trade him at all.  I think the concept is ridiculous, especially considering the NFL rules that protect a quarterback and enable him to play great football for another 5-6 years.

The one thing the Jets game highlighted to me was:  Tom Brady is throwing to subpar players.  Every other team has an athletic and/or gifted receiver.  Meanwhile Brady is throwing a perfect pass to Tate who once again isn't long enough to catch it. 

The Patriots need to use their picks in this draft, make a trade or two for a veteran (or sign a good FA veteran), and stop post-poning stuff.

[BballTim]

Isnt this pretty much like saying the Magic should trade Dwight for Perk because Perk has a Title and Dwight doesnt?

  It's more like saying that Derek Fisher and Ron Artest are the best point guard and small forward in the game because the Lakers won the title last year.