What Is Kevin Love's Trade Value?

[Edgar]

Between the blocks and rebounds, I think those two create a frightening pace for their opponents.

And could you imagine the rebounds at that pace?!

Celtics dont miss so I am not that worry about it

kidding it would be a real nightmare for opponents not
called , lakers with bynum and probably us at full throttle

[Snakehead]

Between the blocks and rebounds, I think those two create a frightening pace for their opponents.

And could you imagine the rebounds at that pace?!

I think Dwight and Love would be incredible, for the reasons you say, but also one of the best rebounding 4-5's ever.  Love isn't afraid to go in the paint obviously and he can stretch the floor from 3.  And I think Love can be a solid defender, but regardless Dwight can mask a lot of his defeciencies and Love is such a good rebounder that he allows Dwight to have more room to patrol the paint and not worry about being in position to rebound on defense as much over being in position to challenge every shot.

And Rondo is the perfect catalyst.  He can find Love in transition or in the half court on the three point line and throw lobs to Dwight like the Magic should be doing so much more often.  And he takes advantage of that pace you talk about those two creating better than any PG.  Imagine the outlet passes from Love to Rondo too...

Rondo-Dwight-Love would be simply incredible if we managed that.  Crazy to even think about.

[Fafnir]

I actually don't like the idea pairing of Love/Dwight. Dwight already is a dominant rebounder and the diminishing returns on defensive boards would take away a lot of Love's value.

Plus a very poor defender like Love would put a lot of pressure on Dwight to cover for him.

[Snakehead]

I actually don't like the idea pairing of Love/Dwight. Dwight already is a dominant rebounder and the diminishing returns on defensive boards would take away a lot of Love's value.

Plus a very poor defender like Love would put a lot of pressure on Dwight to cover for him.

I disagre in the sense that it would allow Dwight to focus even more on challenging shots on defense and not worrying as much about if challenging those shots takes him out of rebounding position.  And Love's offensive rebounding is still a giant plus.  And Love stretches the floor from three.

Basically if you have Love and Dwight you are doing exactly what the Magic have had success with (stretch the floor at the 4 with a good three point shooter) and yet you don't have that defeciency of rebounding that Rashard Lewis always was.  You have one of the league's best rebounders.

As for Love's defense, I think it is very hard to judge a player when he plays on such a poor team.  He seems like he has the physical tools to be a good defender and certainly gives the effort needed out there.  Pierce and Ray were not good defenders before they were in Boston.  One thing is for sure: Love can't be worse than Rashard Lewis or some of the other players the Magic have been able to cover up with Dwights defense.

Just because you have one great rebounder doesn't mean you shouldn't have two IMO.  Especially when Love is still a pretty complete player who stretches the floor on offense.  They are not redundant at all on offense and IMO having two great defensive rebounders is always a good thing.

[Fafnir]

Rashard Lewis was a pretty good defensive PF though, despite his rebounding being poor. He also was a much better offensive player than Kevin Love.

Love might improve defensively on a better team, I doubt he'd end up being close to as good as Rashard was during the majority of the Magic's run.

Its not about not wanting two great rebounders but instead that a more dynamic offensive player who also defended better would compliment Dwight more.

(he was awful this year for them but the previous three it worked out well enough)

[Rtpas11]

Love is a beast!!!

His trade value = Glen Davis, Harangody, 1 Future 1st and 2nd Rdr.

[Snakehead]

Rashard Lewis was a pretty good defensive PF though, despite his rebounding being poor. He also was a much better offensive player than Kevin Love.

Love might improve defensively on a better team, I doubt he'd end up being close to as good as Rashard was during the majority of the Magic's run.

Its not about not wanting two great rebounders but instead that a more dynamic offensive player who also defended better would compliment Dwight more.

(he was awful this year for them but the previous three it worked out well enough)

I know he has done it for longer and has more wrinkles to his game but I don't see how Lewis is really a better offensive player (Love has been pretty great on offense this year), and I think in the near future Love will clearly be superior as he adds some more to his game.

I don't agree that Lewis is a good defender.  He has been okay but I can't remember seeing a single strong defensive performance from him.  I'd say Love could be just as good as him at least.  I don't see how you think Rashard was a good defender from every time I saw him play.  Simply not physical.  Long but not physical and not a shot blocker.

I think Love would be perfect.  Rashard has a better mid-game for sure but Love will get there.  And if you have someone like Rondo running the show Dwight would be a much more dynamic post scorer off the lob anyways.

Something else we will just disagree on but I don't see how Love is not an upgrade over Rashard and we have seen how that formula worked well for the Magic.  And with Love you have a far superior rebounder and passer alone right now, I'm sure the rest will come.



I think they would be a dominant 4-5 combo in the league for years and years.

[Fafnir]

Love has no post game and shoots an awful percentage at the rim. He's not even as good of a shooter that Rashard was/is, he's a decent set shot guy and gets fouled going for offensive boards but that's about it.

Because he's at the line and taking threes he's reasonably efficient despite his short comings, but that's all. The fast pace and lack of other options on the Wolves inflates his offensive numbers.

[StartOrien]

Love has no post game and shoots an awful percentage at the rim. He's not even as good of a shooter that Rashard was/is, he's a decent set shot guy and gets fouled going for offensive boards but that's about it.

Because he's at the line and taking threes he's reasonably efficient despite his short comings, but that's all. The fast pace and lack of other options on the Wolves inflates his offensive numbers.

Couldn't you argue that his offense is hurt by that he's asked to do more than he really is capable of handling? For a player who isn't that offensively gifted, he's asked to do a lot.

[Snakehead]

Love has no post game and shoots an awful percentage at the rim. He's not even as good of a shooter that Rashard was/is, he's a decent set shot guy and gets fouled going for offensive boards but that's about it.

Because he's at the line and taking threes he's reasonably efficient despite his short comings, but that's all. The fast pace and lack of other options on the Wolves inflates his offensive numbers.

I think you are cutting him far short to try and prove a point.  Considering he and Beasley are the only focuses of opposing D he does pretty well on offense.  And he is more than a "decent set shot guy", he has been a good three point shooter all year.

And again, he has time to develop.  He has all the tools and will be a much better player than Rashard and is an actual PF instead of a tall SF.  I wouldn't argue he is as dynamic of a scorer or the shooter Rashard was on the Magic a few years ago, but I think he will be about there and he is a FAR better rebounder (Lewis has always been a joke there) and he will defend better if given the opportunity I believe, he has more drive to win than Rashard has ever shown me already.


Regardless, you aren't bringing him in to be the type of player Rashard was exactly.  All his other skills are more helpful to winning than having a weak, poor rebounding, 4 who is only really a shooter.  We saw that formula not work for the Magic against us and in the Finals.  A 4 who can actually board and can pass very well and hit open 3's to stretch the floor off of Dwight would work much better than the unsuccessful Magic formula we have seen.

Having a real 4 that can board would take a lot of pressure of Dwight to do everything in the post like he has had to do on the Magic over the years.

[Fafnir]

Love has no post game and shoots an awful percentage at the rim. He's not even as good of a shooter that Rashard was/is, he's a decent set shot guy and gets fouled going for offensive boards but that's about it.

Because he's at the line and taking threes he's reasonably efficient despite his short comings, but that's all. The fast pace and lack of other options on the Wolves inflates his offensive numbers.

Couldn't you argue that his offense is hurt by that he's asked to do more than he really is capable of handling? For a player who isn't that offensively gifted, he's asked to do a lot.

I don't think his stats are hurt by it. His efficiency might be slightly lower than if he took a few less shots a game, but his PPG is much higher. His TS% is probably also around the same because with his increased FGA he gets more free throws.

[Fafnir]

Having a real 4 that can board would take a lot of pressure of Dwight to do everything in the post like he has had to do on the Magic over the years.

Well he has a real 4 now with Bass, we'll see how it goes.

I just don't think Love would be a good fit. His one elite skill would be subject to big diminishing returns with the Magic. Both offensively and defensively on the glass, because I don't think Van Gundy would allow both his 4 and 5 to crash the offensive glass everytime like Love/Howard are currently allowed. So one or both would likely lose out some of those opportunities.

Then defensively there are only so many boards around, those are subject to big diminishing returns.

What Howard really needs is an able passer who's also a penetrator. He doesn't need help on the glass or in the paint as much as that.