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Quote from: MBunge on January 05, 2011, 11:45:37 AMQuote from: Fafnir on January 04, 2011, 08:43:09 PMQuote from: hpantazo on January 04, 2011, 07:06:19 PMQuote from: Fafnir on January 04, 2011, 06:13:24 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 04, 2011, 05:51:15 PMQuote from: Fafnir on January 04, 2011, 04:59:12 PMWhat good is a secure center spot on a team that's too good to get a high draft pick, not good enough to win a title, and lacks cap space?Why would any free agent want to come to a team that has NOTHING except Rondo, an aging Pierce and scraps?MikeA team coming off being title contenders for the last five years, with a max deal offer, a top flight NBA point guard, and a HoF veteran wing man.The situation sounds better already. Does Perkins make the C's a more attractive option? Not really, what his contract could do is keep the C's from even being an option.Can the C's with Rondo, Perkins, and an aging Pierce contend going forward?I don't see the logic in this. How does keeping Perkins mean that you can't go for a FA? Having contended for the last 5 years doesn't mean anything to a FA that looks at the roster and sees Rondo plus a bunch of scrubs and an old Pierce. Yea, Pierce is a future HOF player, but would a top FA have wanted to sign on a team with an old Karl Malone or an old Charles Barkley for example? Perkins, Rondo, and Pierce being on the cap with a moderate contract for a big man will mean the Celtics won't be able to get a max level FA. They'll have to pay Avery Bradley and another first round pick, there combined salaries will total too much for a big time FA move.We could still pursue a FA, but in the 8-10 million dollar range. Not the sort of talent that can contend with Rondo.There's still a basic question you're not answering. Why would any big time FA want to come to a Boston team that's just Rondo, an aging Pierce and scraps?MikeThat is a very good point. But (at least on the current CBA), it is a heck of a lot easier to make good trades when you have cap space and short term contracts, than when you have roleplayers locked up in big deals.Its not just about signing free agents, it is about cap flexibility to allow you the most opportunities to get those stars, however they become available.
Quote from: Fafnir on January 04, 2011, 08:43:09 PMQuote from: hpantazo on January 04, 2011, 07:06:19 PMQuote from: Fafnir on January 04, 2011, 06:13:24 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 04, 2011, 05:51:15 PMQuote from: Fafnir on January 04, 2011, 04:59:12 PMWhat good is a secure center spot on a team that's too good to get a high draft pick, not good enough to win a title, and lacks cap space?Why would any free agent want to come to a team that has NOTHING except Rondo, an aging Pierce and scraps?MikeA team coming off being title contenders for the last five years, with a max deal offer, a top flight NBA point guard, and a HoF veteran wing man.The situation sounds better already. Does Perkins make the C's a more attractive option? Not really, what his contract could do is keep the C's from even being an option.Can the C's with Rondo, Perkins, and an aging Pierce contend going forward?I don't see the logic in this. How does keeping Perkins mean that you can't go for a FA? Having contended for the last 5 years doesn't mean anything to a FA that looks at the roster and sees Rondo plus a bunch of scrubs and an old Pierce. Yea, Pierce is a future HOF player, but would a top FA have wanted to sign on a team with an old Karl Malone or an old Charles Barkley for example? Perkins, Rondo, and Pierce being on the cap with a moderate contract for a big man will mean the Celtics won't be able to get a max level FA. They'll have to pay Avery Bradley and another first round pick, there combined salaries will total too much for a big time FA move.We could still pursue a FA, but in the 8-10 million dollar range. Not the sort of talent that can contend with Rondo.There's still a basic question you're not answering. Why would any big time FA want to come to a Boston team that's just Rondo, an aging Pierce and scraps?Mike
Quote from: hpantazo on January 04, 2011, 07:06:19 PMQuote from: Fafnir on January 04, 2011, 06:13:24 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 04, 2011, 05:51:15 PMQuote from: Fafnir on January 04, 2011, 04:59:12 PMWhat good is a secure center spot on a team that's too good to get a high draft pick, not good enough to win a title, and lacks cap space?Why would any free agent want to come to a team that has NOTHING except Rondo, an aging Pierce and scraps?MikeA team coming off being title contenders for the last five years, with a max deal offer, a top flight NBA point guard, and a HoF veteran wing man.The situation sounds better already. Does Perkins make the C's a more attractive option? Not really, what his contract could do is keep the C's from even being an option.Can the C's with Rondo, Perkins, and an aging Pierce contend going forward?I don't see the logic in this. How does keeping Perkins mean that you can't go for a FA? Having contended for the last 5 years doesn't mean anything to a FA that looks at the roster and sees Rondo plus a bunch of scrubs and an old Pierce. Yea, Pierce is a future HOF player, but would a top FA have wanted to sign on a team with an old Karl Malone or an old Charles Barkley for example? Perkins, Rondo, and Pierce being on the cap with a moderate contract for a big man will mean the Celtics won't be able to get a max level FA. They'll have to pay Avery Bradley and another first round pick, there combined salaries will total too much for a big time FA move.We could still pursue a FA, but in the 8-10 million dollar range. Not the sort of talent that can contend with Rondo.
Quote from: Fafnir on January 04, 2011, 06:13:24 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 04, 2011, 05:51:15 PMQuote from: Fafnir on January 04, 2011, 04:59:12 PMWhat good is a secure center spot on a team that's too good to get a high draft pick, not good enough to win a title, and lacks cap space?Why would any free agent want to come to a team that has NOTHING except Rondo, an aging Pierce and scraps?MikeA team coming off being title contenders for the last five years, with a max deal offer, a top flight NBA point guard, and a HoF veteran wing man.The situation sounds better already. Does Perkins make the C's a more attractive option? Not really, what his contract could do is keep the C's from even being an option.Can the C's with Rondo, Perkins, and an aging Pierce contend going forward?I don't see the logic in this. How does keeping Perkins mean that you can't go for a FA? Having contended for the last 5 years doesn't mean anything to a FA that looks at the roster and sees Rondo plus a bunch of scrubs and an old Pierce. Yea, Pierce is a future HOF player, but would a top FA have wanted to sign on a team with an old Karl Malone or an old Charles Barkley for example?
Quote from: MBunge on January 04, 2011, 05:51:15 PMQuote from: Fafnir on January 04, 2011, 04:59:12 PMWhat good is a secure center spot on a team that's too good to get a high draft pick, not good enough to win a title, and lacks cap space?Why would any free agent want to come to a team that has NOTHING except Rondo, an aging Pierce and scraps?MikeA team coming off being title contenders for the last five years, with a max deal offer, a top flight NBA point guard, and a HoF veteran wing man.The situation sounds better already. Does Perkins make the C's a more attractive option? Not really, what his contract could do is keep the C's from even being an option.Can the C's with Rondo, Perkins, and an aging Pierce contend going forward?
Quote from: Fafnir on January 04, 2011, 04:59:12 PMWhat good is a secure center spot on a team that's too good to get a high draft pick, not good enough to win a title, and lacks cap space?Why would any free agent want to come to a team that has NOTHING except Rondo, an aging Pierce and scraps?Mike
What good is a secure center spot on a team that's too good to get a high draft pick, not good enough to win a title, and lacks cap space?