Perk : “I want to be with the Celtics, but I got to think about my future.”

[Snakehead]

Perkins is an injury prone big man whose next contract may take him to the other side of 30.  His offensive deficiencies have made it so that he sometimes finds himself on the bench at the end of games.  He is not a great fit on offense for playing with Rondo.

He is not a superstar, so is not the type of player a good GM should give a big, long contract to.  Maybe you overpay him a bit on a short contract.  Maybe you give him a long, cheap contract.  But you should never give this sort of player a big money contract of four or more years.

A team on which Perkins is one of the top three or four players is probably not a championship team.

I think some are ignoring the realities of what Centers get paid in the NBA.  You have to pay for height.  Not saying any contract is fine but guys like Perk DO get pretty good paying long contracts. 

The facts are that there are only so many quality Centers in the NBA and you either pay for one or you don't have one long term.  You might get one locked up early for cheap but as soon as they prove they can play they get paid.

However, for a team like the C's, who have only one core future player in place, the way the CBA is currently set up, it can really tie their hands to block themselves with a salary like that at this point on a guy who is not an elite impact player. 

What you're not factoring in the the replacement cost.  Let's say you let Perkins walk.  How much is it going to cost to get another center just as good as he is?  What will it mean to your team if you can't?

Mike

You are exactly right Mike I think.  Not saying we should match a huge contract for Perk if he is offered one but I think he will make around $10 mill and that is reasonable given the market, even if it is overpaying from a production standpoint.  Again, you pay for height.  The Celtics decision will be based on what is available but Perk is a very valuable player and we need a Center going forward.

[Rondo2287]

However, for a team like the C's, who have only one core future player in place, the way the CBA is currently set up, it can really tie their hands to block themselves with a salary like that at this point on a guy who is not an elite impact player. 

What you're not factoring in the the replacement cost.  Let's say you let Perkins walk.  How much is it going to cost to get another center just as good as he is?  What will it mean to your team if you can't?

Mike

I think what you arent taking into account though is that while Perk is a good center in this league, his value is greatly diminished for a team that isnt competing for a title.  Once the big 3 are gone we need to have the cap flexibility to sign FA's to pair with Rondo to get us to that contender level.  If we have Perk on the roster at the point he will still be a good player but we won't be able to sign that max level guy that would bring us to contention.

[Fafnir]

However, for a team like the C's, who have only one core future player in place, the way the CBA is currently set up, it can really tie their hands to block themselves with a salary like that at this point on a guy who is not an elite impact player. 

What you're not factoring in the the replacement cost.  Let's say you let Perkins walk.  How much is it going to cost to get another center just as good as he is?  What will it mean to your team if you can't?

Mike

I think what you arent taking into account though is that while Perk is a good center in this league, his value is greatly diminished for a team that isnt competing for a title.  Once the big 3 are gone we need to have the cap flexibility to sign FA's to pair with Rondo to get us to that contender level.  If we have Perk on the roster at the point he will still be a good player but we won't be able to sign that max level guy that would bring us to contention.

Exactly, AV is an excellent comparison. He's a valuable young big man on a reasonable deal for a defensive PF/C. But what good is he in Cleveland, he's not the kind of player you can build around directly.

Now the C's with Rondo and Pierce in two years won't be Cleveland bad, but they'll need to reload. Otherwise they'll just be an also ran along the lines of Atlanta.

[Edgar]

I wont be mad if Danny offers the same contract again.

[Who]

A team on which Perkins is one of the top three or four players is probably not a championship team.

I think Perk is well capable of being a fourth best player on a title winning side.

Third best? He'd need to be playing alongside two MVP caliber talents. Short of that, no, he couldn't be.

[wdleehi]

I am all for bringing Perk back at a reasonable price if the Celtics have a way of adding two stars to replace KG, Pierce and Ray in the future. 

[Fafnir]

A team on which Perkins is one of the top three or four players is probably not a championship team.

I think Perk is well capable of being a fourth best player on a title winning side.

Third best? He'd need to be playing alongside two MVP caliber talents. Short of that, no, he couldn't be.

So Perkins in a Heat uniform next year? lol 

[Edgar]

I am all for bringing Perk back at a reasonable price if the Celtics have a way of adding two stars to replace KG, Pierce and Ray in the future. 

How about Durant and Kevin Love


Rondo, Delonte, Durant, Love, Perkins
Miller,  Ray(he will be forever), K. Martin ,BBD, Hibbert ( his price will drop after 2 horrible seasons)



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[Chris]

I am all for bringing Perk back at a reasonable price if the Celtics have a way of adding two stars to replace KG, Pierce and Ray in the future. 

How about Durant and Kevin Love


Rondo, Delonte, Durant, Love, Perkins
Miller,  Ray(he will be forever), K. Martin ,BBD, Hibbert ( his price will drop after 2 horrible seasons)



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Last night I kept thinking "if there ever were a player destined to be a Celtic, it's Kevin Love".

[Chris]

However, for a team like the C's, who have only one core future player in place, the way the CBA is currently set up, it can really tie their hands to block themselves with a salary like that at this point on a guy who is not an elite impact player. 

What you're not factoring in the the replacement cost.  Let's say you let Perkins walk.  How much is it going to cost to get another center just as good as he is?  What will it mean to your team if you can't?

Mike

I am factoring that in.  But I believe you don't need a center as good as he is, if you can get enough talent at the other spots. 

Perk is great, but he is hitting the point in his career where his pricetag is going to exceed his production.  So, the C's need to go out and find a guy whose pricetag does not exceed his production...or, they can go out and get a more expensive guy using various exceptions, once they have used the cap flexibility to bring in the higher impact players.

[BballTim]

Perk is great, but he is hitting the point in his career where his pricetag is going to exceed his production.

  Is that how people normally describe the prime of a player's career?

[Chris]

Perk is great, but he is hitting the point in his career where his pricetag is going to exceed his production.

  Is that how people normally describe the prime of a player's career?

For a roleplaying center, yes.

[Snakehead]

I am all for bringing Perk back at a reasonable price if the Celtics have a way of adding two stars to replace KG, Pierce and Ray in the future. 

How about Durant and Kevin Love


Rondo, Delonte, Durant, Love, Perkins
Miller,  Ray(he will be forever), K. Martin ,BBD, Hibbert ( his price will drop after 2 horrible seasons)



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Last night I kept thinking "if there ever were a player destined to be a Celtic, it's Kevin Love".

I would love him to play for us but I have no idea where he will eventually end up (he's definitely going to be out of Minny).  

I will say that LeBron seems to be very interested in him.  J.A. Adande pointed this out recently that LeBron has brought Kevin Love up specifically, complimenting his play a couple times on Twitter and talking about him being stuck on a bad team in Minny, and what other player does he really mention by name that isn't a teammate? Maybe a superstar but even then not really.  

I bet he makes a big push to get him in Miami.

[celts55]

I think it's a pretty big assumtion that he wil have a big second half of the season. As I recall it took KG a full year to recover from his knee injury. I think I'll worry about resigning Perk when I see what he can bring to the court.

[BballTim]

Perk is great, but he is hitting the point in his career where his pricetag is going to exceed his production.

  Is that how people normally describe the prime of a player's career?

For a roleplaying center, yes.

  Most of the centers in the league would fall into the role playing category. It depends on whether you want to overpay for individual production or individual contribution.