Start Quis & JO

[guava_wrench]

This is also a time to start or play bradley....look, before you fire back at me...fire at doc and danny, they drafted him, so play him, or replace him. I saw play the heck out of him before you send him down...make sure...this is a good time to play the bench..starting jo and md isn't a bad idea also..but for doc and danny to verify their skills, this guy bradley has to play, and show why they picked him. Keep him in after he makes a mistake, show him you are with him, play him with the starters..that is how guys bloom..!

They drafted a young, unpolished player to develop, not to play this year. They will show you why they drafted him in the future.

Guys bloom all sorts of ways. You can give them time to develop. Where did you get the idea that there is only one way to develop a player?

They didn't draft him to play in front of Nate, so why would I 'fire at' Doc or Danny for your suggestion? It is your idea, not theres.

To show the problem with your logic, I can ask you why they signed Nate to a contract worth more than Bradley's contract if they are going to play Bradley instead? How would that make any sense?

Ultimately, the reasons for acquiring players in the offseason makes little difference once the season starts for a contending team. You play the guys who give you the best chance for a championship. Any arguments about needing to develop Bradley quickly by forcing minutes to him are easily countered by arguments for giving minutes to Nate and Wafer to get them at the top of their games.

[pearljammer10]

I am just saying, give the guy a run...ever think about what happened last year....maybe we are again playing Ray and PP too much huh... They are carrying a lot of the load......a real lot.

Right now, Bradley doesn't do anything at an NBA level except for defend.  It does not make sense to start him.  All it would probably accomplish is hurt his confidence (which clearly isn't too high to begin with). 

He really, really needs to spend a few months (at least) in the D-league.

Agreed. Why play a rookie just for the sake of "showing what hes worth" or "showing why danny drafted him". If he isnt experienced and is going to hurt the team then I dont want him to gather big minutes. If he proves himself capable in practice, then yes, give him a run. Until then, his development as a player is more important than deflating his self esteem would be.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Defense is the basis for the Celtics. It is hardly a possibility that it would hurt his confidence. Besides, Start him, if it doesn't work send him down...You actually think sendiing him down there will improve his confidence..?  That is a major demotion..!

[guava_wrench]

I am just saying, give the guy a run...ever think about what happened last year....maybe we are again playing Ray and PP too much huh... They are carrying a lot of the load......a real lot.

What happened last year? You mean Perk getting hurt and Sheed running out of gas? I don't get your point. How would playing Bradley instead of Nate and Wafer help that?

[Meadowlark_Scal]

This is also a time to start or play bradley....look, before you fire back at me...fire at doc and danny, they drafted him, so play him, or replace him. I saw play the heck out of him before you send him down...make sure...this is a good time to play the bench..starting jo and md isn't a bad idea also..but for doc and danny to verify their skills, this guy bradley has to play, and show why they picked him. Keep him in after he makes a mistake, show him you are with him, play him with the starters..that is how guys bloom..!

They drafted a young, unpolished player to develop, not to play this year. They will show you why they drafted him in the future.

Guys bloom all sorts of ways. You can give them time to develop. Where did you get the idea that there is only one way to develop a player?

They didn't draft him to play in front of Nate, so why would I 'fire at' Doc or Danny for your suggestion? It is your idea, not theres.

To show the problem with your logic, I can ask you why they signed Nate to a contract worth more than Bradley's contract if they are going to play Bradley instead? How would that make any sense?

Ultimately, the reasons for acquiring players in the offseason makes little difference once the season starts for a contending team. You play the guys who give you the best chance for a championship. Any arguments about needing to develop Bradley quickly by forcing minutes to him are easily countered by arguments for giving minutes to Nate and Wafer to get them at the top of their games.

Play in front of Nate, as if we cannot spare 5-10 minutes in our current state, and you say experience, should he go to the experience store to get it..? Playing is where he'll get it, NBA experience comes from playing a an NBA game, you get nothing but in shape and the plays from practice. Nate contract more than Bradleys, come on, use your brain. The average rate for Nate was that, and the rookie salary is set also. Only you could jump in and make a simple thread an argument. An obvious non-player. Did you ever hold a basketball..in your hand, like maybe in a store..?

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I am just saying, give the guy a run...ever think about what happened last year....maybe we are again playing Ray and PP too much huh... They are carrying a lot of the load......a real lot.

Prove yourself in practice.....right. practice is just that, hardly anything real. Practice helps the guy learn the C's system, get in shape, get with the team, but means NOTHING in the game 2 million percent difference. Really.

Right now, Bradley doesn't do anything at an NBA level except for defend.  It does not make sense to start him.  All it would probably accomplish is hurt his confidence (which clearly isn't too high to begin with). 

He really, really needs to spend a few months (at least) in the D-league.

Agreed. Why play a rookie just for the sake of "showing what hes worth" or "showing why danny drafted him". If he isnt experienced and is going to hurt the team then I dont want him to gather big minutes. If he proves himself capable in practice, then yes, give him a run. Until then, his development as a player is more important than deflating his self esteem would be.

Prove yourself in practice.....right. practice is just that, hardly anything real. Practice helps the guy learn the C's system, get in shape, get with the team, but means NOTHING in the game 2 million percent difference. Really.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

You start the guy ONE TIME.....okay, one game, big deal. stop overreacting...... Nate has off games, and is sort of out of position as the pg anyway. Wafer is a great 2, and there is plenty of time to get him in also. Play the kid Bradley before you send him down, his defense is a good indication that he is getting the groove, stop his man from scoring, next he starts scoring.....then he comes around..

[guava_wrench]

This is also a time to start or play bradley....look, before you fire back at me...fire at doc and danny, they drafted him, so play him, or replace him. I saw play the heck out of him before you send him down...make sure...this is a good time to play the bench..starting jo and md isn't a bad idea also..but for doc and danny to verify their skills, this guy bradley has to play, and show why they picked him. Keep him in after he makes a mistake, show him you are with him, play him with the starters..that is how guys bloom..!

They drafted a young, unpolished player to develop, not to play this year. They will show you why they drafted him in the future.

Guys bloom all sorts of ways. You can give them time to develop. Where did you get the idea that there is only one way to develop a player?

They didn't draft him to play in front of Nate, so why would I 'fire at' Doc or Danny for your suggestion? It is your idea, not theres.

To show the problem with your logic, I can ask you why they signed Nate to a contract worth more than Bradley's contract if they are going to play Bradley instead? How would that make any sense?

Ultimately, the reasons for acquiring players in the offseason makes little difference once the season starts for a contending team. You play the guys who give you the best chance for a championship. Any arguments about needing to develop Bradley quickly by forcing minutes to him are easily countered by arguments for giving minutes to Nate and Wafer to get them at the top of their games.

Play in front of Nate, as if we cannot spare 5-10 minutes in our current state, and you say experience, should he go to the experience store to get it..? Playing is where he'll get it, NBA experience comes from playing a an NBA game, you get nothing but in shape and the plays from practice. Nate contract more than Bradleys, come on, use your brain. The average rate for Nate was that, and the rookie salary is set also. Only you could jump in and make a simple thread an argument. An obvious non-player. Did you ever hold a basketball..in your hand, like maybe in a store..?

Please stop trying to compensate for your horribly flaccid arguments with personal attacks. Instead of being Mr. Defensive, try to actually think through your arguments instead of just generalizing that your way is the only way to do things. Especially when you are claiming to be wiser than a coach considered to be one of the best in the league.

FYI, I play regularly in a gym I rent with 15+ other guys a few times a week.

[Roy H.]

Stop the bickering, please.  The insults and personal attacks need to stop now.

[gpap]

With 60% of C's Starting Line-Up injured and out (Perkins, KG, Rondo), West (TA's replacement) injured, and all the other players coming back from injury or playing with injuries it's absured to expect the C's to win at a greater than 0.500 clip. However, with Nates and Big Baby's crummy play of the late, I believe Doc should try this starting line-up:

C  = SQ
PF = JO
SF = PP
SG = RA
PG = MD

Off the bench:

FC = BB
WG = VW
G  = NR
F  = LH

Play Quis at SF and as a BIG PG with some SG when VW is not in the game. Play VW at SG and some SF. If BB keeps this crap up, Doc should bench BB in favor of someone who wants to play hard, mentally focused and hopefully more mature even if less talented to send a message to BB. Play Nate only when necessary and experiment with  PP/RA/VW, MD/RA/VW, or a PP/VW/MD lineups with PP or MD playing the PG role on offense.

Could not agree more with starting JO and Shaq. So far, it seems Doc has totally mismanaged both O'Neals and is too careful and conservative with them. Also, Doc really needs to slow down with Big Baby. He plays Big Baby WAY TOO MUCH, while just leaving both O'Neals as ornaments on the bench.

We signed both guys to make a difference, not be cheerleaders on the bench and shoot the breeze with Harangody, Erden and the guy selling the pretzels in back of them.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Gotta manage shaq better, he fouls out too early. What happened to Erden in the rotation....?  i hope JO gets in a strong groove..!

[Tai]

I feel like if JO wasn't too slow to play the 4, he'd have been playing it already. Maybe he does tonight, who knows.

Wanting to tame BBD is one thing. But trying to do that in favor of a slower starting lineup is a horrid idea.

Same for Marquis. We all agree Nate is horrid as a PG, but starting Marquis at the expense of our size off the bench may hurt us.