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Start Quis & JO
« on: January 01, 2011, 01:23:34 PM »

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With 60% of C's Starting Line-Up injured and out (Perkins, KG, Rondo), West (TA's replacement) injured, and all the other players coming back from injury or playing with injuries it's absured to expect the C's to win at a greater than 0.500 clip. However, with Nates and Big Baby's crummy play of the late, I believe Doc should try this starting line-up:

C  = SQ
PF = JO
SF = PP
SG = RA
PG = MD

Off the bench:

FC = BB
WG = VW
G  = NR
F  = LH

Play Quis at SF and as a BIG PG with some SG when VW is not in the game. Play VW at SG and some SF. If BB keeps this crap up, Doc should bench BB in favor of someone who wants to play hard, mentally focused and hopefully more mature even if less talented to send a message to BB. Play Nate only when necessary and experiment with  PP/RA/VW, MD/RA/VW, or a PP/VW/MD lineups with PP or MD playing the PG role on offense.

Re: Start Quis & JO
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2011, 01:47:48 PM »

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With 60% of C's Starting Line-Up injured and out (Perkins, KG, Rondo), West (TA's replacement) injured, and all the other players coming back from injury or playing with injuries it's absured to expect the C's to win at a greater than 0.500 clip. However, with Nates and Big Baby's crummy play of the late, I believe Doc should try this starting line-up:

C  = SQ
PF = JO
SF = PP
SG = RA
PG = MD

Off the bench:

FC = BB
WG = VW
G  = NR
F  = LH

Play Quis at SF and as a BIG PG with some SG when VW is not in the game. Play VW at SG and some SF. If BB keeps this crap up, Doc should bench BB in favor of someone who wants to play hard, mentally focused and hopefully more mature even if less talented to send a message to BB. Play Nate only when necessary and experiment with  PP/RA/VW, MD/RA/VW, or a PP/VW/MD lineups with PP or MD playing the PG role on offense.

I think the JO/Shaq combo would be too slow.  I think JO's capable of guarding 4s 1-on-1, just as Shaq is a capable post defender, but our team defense can't afford two slow guys at the big positions at once.  Each needs to be paired with a quicker guy to keep the whole defense from being compromised.  Perk and JO could work, but Shaq and JO is stretching it.  And Baby/Gody is probably not something Doc would be comfortable with.

I think we're stuck with Baby at the 4.

I do like the idea of starting Daniels at the 1, provided Doc is comfortable playing Wafer 15-20 minutes.

Most starting PGs in the NBA can punish Nate defensively.  I think Daniels could provide better defense (especially team defense) at that spot, while giving the team another match-up to exploit on offense.

Nate/Wafer/Ray or Paul/Gody/JO off the bench?  Could be worse. Plenty of floor spacing offensively, weak defensively.

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Re: Start Quis & JO
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2011, 02:05:42 PM »

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Agreed 1000 percent regarding Daniels. Don't think you can start JO with Shaq, however. Would make front like to slow and lumbering.

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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2011, 02:18:12 PM »

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Agreed 1000 percent regarding Daniels. Don't think you can start JO with Shaq, however. Would make front like to slow and lumbering.
Why not LAL does it? Shaq is nearly as slow as Bynum is coming off that surgery it's always worked for them.
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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2011, 03:58:25 PM »

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100% agree with starting JO. Baby is not the starting PF this team needs, he has a role and he has been playing it extremely well. Keep him in that role so he doesnt feel the need to do too much. JO alongside Shaq would be a fine combo for a couple weeks.

I also like how Marquis comes off the bench more than Robinson coming off the bench. I would play Marquis more minutes but I would still keep him as a bench guy and let Nate start.

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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2011, 04:14:17 PM »

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I like when Daniels, Ray and Pierce all play together, because the opposing point guard is most of the time a mismatch.  If they keep the PG on Quis then he can post them up all day.  If not they're most likely chasing Ray around.

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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2011, 04:20:36 PM »

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I too would like to see this starting lineup. Quis has been playing like we expected him to way back when we originally signed him. He is showing his full aresnal on both ends. His play now leads me to believe Pierce will finally get the rest he needs and deserves down the stretch, making him spry for the playoffs.

As for JO, not only because BBD looked terrible, but also because I am curious as to how him and Shaq will look together. If they look good, this will make it easy for Perk to go back into the starting lineup and Shaq work with JO and the second unit. Obviously Shaq and KG work well together, but would JO and Perk? I'm not so sure about that.

Our championship starters speak for themselves, but a second unit of Shaq, JO, 'Quis, West and Nate sounds nasty.
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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2011, 05:40:56 PM »

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I think you do this to send a clear message to Davis and Nate that poor play will not be rewarded, and they are not guaranteed playing time just because other guys are injured. Davis chucked up a tree within minutes of KG leaving with his injury in the pistons game, and the three yesterday was just a total lack of respect to his teammates.

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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2011, 05:52:14 PM »

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Daniels has been running the point very nicely.  I am not sure he can stay with the really fast pgs in the nba though.  I was very surprised at how he stayed with the mid range guys, devin harris etc.  If Nate's shot isn't falling and he isn't going to press on defense then he isn't very effective at all.  His play hasn't been the same as Davis, Davis is showing me first mentality in the games whereas Nate has not been playing well.  Hopefully Doc and vets can talk to Davis to get his maturity and brain straight and Nate can start hitting the j's again.
What we have to take into account, nate is our 3rd string pg.  Davis is not a starter for a nba championship caliber team.  Both guys have been asked to do what is beyond there games and so far done an acceptable job.
Davis and 3's not acceptable at all though

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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2011, 06:03:54 PM »

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If we start Quis and JO we'll have 3 guys in the starting lineup who can't reliably hit a jumpshot from farther than 10-15 feet out.  That would not be a very good offensive lineup.
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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2011, 06:14:49 PM »

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This is also a time to start or play bradley....look, before you fire back at me...fire at doc and danny, they drafted him, so play him, or replace him. I saw play the heck out of him before you send him down...make sure...this is a good time to play the bench..starting jo and md isn't a bad idea also..but for doc and danny to verify their skills, this guy bradley has to play, and show why they picked him. Keep him in after he makes a mistake, show him you are with him, play him with the starters..that is how guys bloom..!

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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2011, 06:31:51 PM »

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On another note, I have seen that starting a player does a world of good for them, it often is a turning point in their game. So, yes, MD is a good one to start, but at this time, i would think more about applying this to all of the guys, to start once, see what we get from it. What do we have to lose. You sign a guy, you play him, do what ever it takes to find out how to get him to play his best, that is what a coach is supposed to do......

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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2011, 06:58:11 PM »

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This is also a time to start or play bradley....look, before you fire back at me...fire at doc and danny, they drafted him, so play him, or replace him. I saw play the heck out of him before you send him down...make sure...this is a good time to play the bench..starting jo and md isn't a bad idea also..but for doc and danny to verify their skills, this guy bradley has to play, and show why they picked him. Keep him in after he makes a mistake, show him you are with him, play him with the starters..that is how guys bloom..!

I would be willing to see Bradley start over Von Wafer or Nate Robinson if Ray Allen was injured and Rondo was healthy.  I am less enthused about the idea of starting Bradley as a Rondo replacement.
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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2011, 07:15:53 PM »

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I am just saying, give the guy a run...ever think about what happened last year....maybe we are again playing Ray and PP too much huh... They are carrying a lot of the load......a real lot.

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« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2011, 07:18:07 PM »

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I am just saying, give the guy a run...ever think about what happened last year....maybe we are again playing Ray and PP too much huh... They are carrying a lot of the load......a real lot.

Right now, Bradley doesn't do anything at an NBA level except for defend.  It does not make sense to start him.  All it would probably accomplish is hurt his confidence (which clearly isn't too high to begin with). 

He really, really needs to spend a few months (at least) in the D-league.
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