panic trade?

[Rondo2287]

Harangody and Wafer for Hibbert
Bradley for Hibbert

Harangody and Wafer for McGee
Bradley for McGee

Wafer, Bradley, Harangody for Amundson

Harangody, Wafer for Darrell Arthur
Bradley for Darrell Arthur

Harangody, Wafer, Bradley for Carl Landry
Harangody, Wafer, Bradley for Cousins
Harangody, Wafer, Bradler for Jason Thompson

All of the above are fantastic

[Fafnir]

Cleveland is not giving up AV for anything less than a piece they view as a future all star. Its too hard to find young big men.

Idea being that they are locked into AV's 5 year deal. he's a great complimentary piece but not the corner stone. if jettisoning him gives them more financial flexibility and helps their chances of landing a cornerstone #1 pick i think they would consider it it.

They're not trading him for any of the asssets the C's have, they can get 10 better offers. Unless you're going to throw Rondo into the deal...

[arctic 3.0]

Cleveland is not giving up AV for anything less than a piece they view as a future all star. Its too hard to find young big men.

Idea being that they are locked into AV's 5 year deal. he's a great complimentary piece but not the corner stone. if jettisoning him gives them more financial flexibility and helps their chances of landing a cornerstone #1 pick i think they would consider it it.

They're not trading him for any of the asssets the C's have, they can get 10 better offers. Unless you're going to throw Rondo into the deal...

no doubt they will get other offers. but who's going to trade for him? most likely, contenders. which contenders have can put together offers better than JO's short deal or perks expiring with out cutting into their core?

[Change]

Cleveland is not giving up AV for anything less than a piece they view as a future all star. Its too hard to find young big men.

So your saying Harongody and Wafer won't get it done??

 

[arctic 3.0]

Cleveland is not giving up AV for anything less than a piece they view as a future all star. Its too hard to find young big men.

So your saying Harongody and Wafer won't get it done??

 

so annoying.
did i mention harengody or wafer in the proposal?
i think Perk (and JO) have far more value then either rook.

[Chris]

Cleveland is not giving up AV for anything less than a piece they view as a future all star. Its too hard to find young big men.

Idea being that they are locked into AV's 5 year deal. he's a great complimentary piece but not the corner stone. if jettisoning him gives them more financial flexibility and helps their chances of landing a cornerstone #1 pick i think they would consider it it.

They're not trading him for any of the asssets the C's have, they can get 10 better offers. Unless you're going to throw Rondo into the deal...

no doubt they will get other offers. but who's going to trade for him? most likely, contenders. which contenders have can put together offers better than JO's short deal or perks expiring with out cutting into their core?

Just about every other contender can beat a JO deal.  They all have actual expiring contracts for this season.  They also almost all have more assets to include with the contract to get it done.

Also, a team like the Knicks could make a strong push for Varejao with Eddie Curry's contract which was paid up front, meaning Cleveland wouldn't have to pay him at all.  

Now, if the C's wanted to use Perk in the trade instead of JO, perhaps they could enter into the conversation, but they would need to include at least a future first rounder to sweeten the deal, and I still am not sure that will be enough.

[Change]

Harangody and Wafer for Hibbert
Bradley for Hibbert

Harangody and Wafer for McGee
Bradley for McGee

Wafer, Bradley, Harangody for Amundson

Harangody, Wafer for Darrell Arthur
Bradley for Darrell Arthur

Harangody, Wafer, Bradley for Carl Landry
Harangody, Wafer, Bradley for Cousins
Harangody, Wafer, Bradler for Jason Thompson

Tp,

The best one by far and most realistic. JT has fallen out of favor in Sacramento, meaning he is NOT part of their future. If Celtics gives them a decent package deal, Sac-Town will make the trade.

I like Gody/Von/Avery/Picks?/Cash? 4 Jason Thompson/Donte Greene

Get a big and SF at the same time.

[manl_lui]

this is too early to panic, at the moment we are not sure at all what KG's injury is...

we will find out tonight if his injury is serious or not...I still believe that KG is our key to banner 18 but this year is different, if KG is seriously injured but can still return, we have Shaq, JO BBD to fill in the gaps for bigs, with Semih quickly improving each time i see him play this is not the same as the 08-09 season

With veterans and improved depth compared to that season KG can actually rest and not rush his return like he did in 08-09...remember that season KG couldve been back by playoffs healthy but he re-aggravated his knee when he rushed his return

[arctic 3.0]

Cleveland is not giving up AV for anything less than a piece they view as a future all star. Its too hard to find young big men.

Idea being that they are locked into AV's 5 year deal. he's a great complimentary piece but not the corner stone. if jettisoning him gives them more financial flexibility and helps their chances of landing a cornerstone #1 pick i think they would consider it it.

They're not trading him for any of the asssets the C's have, they can get 10 better offers. Unless you're going to throw Rondo into the deal...

no doubt they will get other offers. but who's going to trade for him? most likely, contenders. which contenders have can put together offers better than JO's short deal or perks expiring with out cutting into their core?

Just about every other contender can beat a JO deal.  They all have actual expiring contracts for this season.  They also almost all have more assets to include with the contract to get it done.

Also, a team like the Knicks could make a strong push for Varejao with Eddie Curry's contract which was paid up front, meaning Cleveland wouldn't have to pay him at all.  

Now, if the C's wanted to use Perk in the trade instead of JO, perhaps they could enter into the conversation, but they would need to include at least a future first rounder to sweeten the deal, and I still am not sure that will be enough.

so would you pull the trigger on perk + future first for andy?
for me it would depend on whether they think andy could help keep us out of the lottery (and avoid sending cleveland a high pick) in the post KG era.

[winsomme]

I actually think that this is one of the reasons I wanted to have JO around. He obviously has trouble staying on the court and has not been at all aggressive since finally coming back, but he does have the skill level to really help us until KG is back.

I think it's time to see what we have in JO.

A lot of us have seen enough to have that answer - and it's not pretty

eh - I'm not ready to close the book on the guy. People were down on Sheed most of the year and he turned out to be pretty valuable.

Now the PT is actually opening up for JO (personally I hope Doc starts him over Baby because I like Baby coming off the bench) so let's see what he does with the opportunity...

[Chris]

Cleveland is not giving up AV for anything less than a piece they view as a future all star. Its too hard to find young big men.

Idea being that they are locked into AV's 5 year deal. he's a great complimentary piece but not the corner stone. if jettisoning him gives them more financial flexibility and helps their chances of landing a cornerstone #1 pick i think they would consider it it.

They're not trading him for any of the asssets the C's have, they can get 10 better offers. Unless you're going to throw Rondo into the deal...

no doubt they will get other offers. but who's going to trade for him? most likely, contenders. which contenders have can put together offers better than JO's short deal or perks expiring with out cutting into their core?

Just about every other contender can beat a JO deal.  They all have actual expiring contracts for this season.  They also almost all have more assets to include with the contract to get it done.

Also, a team like the Knicks could make a strong push for Varejao with Eddie Curry's contract which was paid up front, meaning Cleveland wouldn't have to pay him at all.  

Now, if the C's wanted to use Perk in the trade instead of JO, perhaps they could enter into the conversation, but they would need to include at least a future first rounder to sweeten the deal, and I still am not sure that will be enough.

so would you pull the trigger on perk + future first for andy?
for me it would depend on whether they think andy could help keep us out of the lottery (and avoid sending cleveland a high pick) in the post KG era.

That is a tough call.  I think I would consider it strongly, but not sure I would pull the trigger.  I just don't like the idea of having a role player taking up such a large salary spot when this team is going to be looking to rebuild in a year and a half.  I would be hessitant to give Perk that kind of money, because it could really tie the C's hands when KG comes off the books (depending on the new CBA), and I don't know if Andy is much better (if at all) to warrant it either.

[Jon]

Wafer, Harangody, and Bradley, the new Scal, Giddens, and Walker.  We don't want them, but every other team is just leaping to get them. 

[arctic 3.0]

I actually think that this is one of the reasons I wanted to have JO around. He obviously has trouble staying on the court and has not been at all aggressive since finally coming back, but he does have the skill level to really help us until KG is back.

I think it's time to see what we have in JO.

A lot of us have seen enough to have that answer - and it's not pretty

eh - I'm not ready to close the book on the guy. People were down on Sheed most of the year and he turned out to be pretty valuable.

Now the PT is actually opening up for JO (personally I hope Doc starts him over Baby because I like Baby coming off the bench) so let's see what he does with the opportunity...

i think JO is undervalued right now. he is out of game shape and rusty. yet, last night, while being mostly invisible he pulled down 6 boards scored 7 points and drew a high value charge in crunch time. give him a few weeks to return to form before writing him off. IMO he should be good for a consistent 10 and 7. 
 

[Chris]

I actually think that this is one of the reasons I wanted to have JO around. He obviously has trouble staying on the court and has not been at all aggressive since finally coming back, but he does have the skill level to really help us until KG is back.

I think it's time to see what we have in JO.

A lot of us have seen enough to have that answer - and it's not pretty

eh - I'm not ready to close the book on the guy. People were down on Sheed most of the year and he turned out to be pretty valuable.

Now the PT is actually opening up for JO (personally I hope Doc starts him over Baby because I like Baby coming off the bench) so let's see what he does with the opportunity...

i think JO is undervalued right now. he is out of game shape and rusty. yet, last night, while being mostly invisible he pulled down 6 boards scored 7 points and drew a high value charge in crunch time. give him a few weeks to return to form before writing him off. IMO he should be good for a consistent 10 and 7. 
 

I agree.  In fact, I think he could be at something more like 13 and 7 and 2 block, if he can get starters minutes with KG out.  The problem is, I have no confidence in his ability to stay on the court.  I really hope I am wrong about that though, because if KG is out for an extended amount of time, they are going to need JO to return to the 14 and 7 guy (over 30 minutes) he has been over the last 4 years. 

[winsomme]

I actually think that this is one of the reasons I wanted to have JO around. He obviously has trouble staying on the court and has not been at all aggressive since finally coming back, but he does have the skill level to really help us until KG is back.

I think it's time to see what we have in JO.

A lot of us have seen enough to have that answer - and it's not pretty

eh - I'm not ready to close the book on the guy. People were down on Sheed most of the year and he turned out to be pretty valuable.

Now the PT is actually opening up for JO (personally I hope Doc starts him over Baby because I like Baby coming off the bench) so let's see what he does with the opportunity...

i think JO is undervalued right now. he is out of game shape and rusty. yet, last night, while being mostly invisible he pulled down 6 boards scored 7 points and drew a high value charge in crunch time. give him a few weeks to return to form before writing him off. IMO he should be good for a consistent 10 and 7. 
 

I agree.  In fact, I think he could be at something more like 13 and 7 and 2 block, if he can get starters minutes with KG out.  The problem is, I have no confidence in his ability to stay on the court.  I really hope I am wrong about that though, because if KG is out for an extended amount of time, they are going to need JO to return to the 14 and 7 guy (over 30 minutes) he has been over the last 4 years. 

yep. staying on the court is his biggest problem. let's see, though. This is why we signed him right...so we would have depth in the front court.