boston trade idea for back up SF/SG

[pearljammer10]

For the millionth time... Wafer and Harangody have ZERO trade value. Especially when they return value is so ridiculously high.

[Lucky17]

Tracy McGrady is just plain cooked. He's a liability on defense and has to have the ball in his hands on offense. He'd be a terrible fit for the C's.

I'd assume the same, if I hadn't been watching Pistons games this past month. He's posting numbers similar to Marquis Daniels, in comparable minutes, with a higher PER (of 12.2).

He's no defensive stalwart, but McGrady's ability to run an offense would allow his backcourt mate (Nate/Delonte) to do what they do best, namely shoot. The bench could use another facilitator.

[Snakehead]

I don't think Portland is a stupid organization, that's for sure.

...I kinda do.  Some people might say they have had bad luck, but I tend to think they took too many risks with injury prone players, and are now in a position where most of their assets have been devalued.

So you think the Celtics are stupid too?  Because they would have drafted Oden first that year over Durant and so would countless other teams.  And Roy had some injury history but saying they shouldn't have taken him I also seriously question because a lot of teams would of because he was such a great player coming in and for the last few seasons, and it was tough to see this kind of turn coming for him.  It's easy to say you did see it coming now.

I'd say they are an unlucky organization.  Pritchard was a good GM I thought, we will see about Cho, and Nate McMillan is a very good coach.

[Bankshot]

I'd like to get Corey Brewer from Minnesota.  Not sure how it's going to work though.  Bradley and Harangody doesn't work, so I don't know.

[Lucky17]

I'd like to get Corey Brewer from Minnesota.  Not sure how it's going to work though.  Bradley and Harangody doesn't work, so I don't know.

Yeah, not enough outgoing salary. Celtics would have to add Wafer and Erden to those two to make the numbers work.

[pearljammer10]

Just because a combination of Wafer, Harangody, and Bradley work in a financial trade checker doesnt mean teams want ANY of them... I dont understand why these ridiculous scenarios keep coming up. There are teams out there that still trade for talent and not just look at the financial numbers. These three guys are the last three guys on our roster... No one would want them unless what we get in return is comparable or worse.

[Snakehead]

Just because a combination of Wafer, Harangody, and Bradley work in a financial trade checker doesnt mean teams want ANY of them... I dont understand why these ridiculous scenarios keep coming up. There are teams out there that still trade for talent and not just look at the financial numbers. These three guys are the last three guys on our roster... No one would want them unless what we get in return is comparable or worse.

I appreciate your efforts to inject common sense but people will continue to throw out anything that works on the ESPN trade machine.  Typical "homer trade" ideas: anything that improves your team but makes no sense for the other team.

[Lucky17]

Just because a combination of Wafer, Harangody, and Bradley work in a financial trade checker doesnt mean teams want ANY of them... I dont understand why these ridiculous scenarios keep coming up. There are teams out there that still trade for talent and not just look at the financial numbers. These three guys are the last three guys on our roster... No one would want them unless what we get in return is comparable or worse.

Yes, but ultimately, any trade must conform to the current CBA and its mandate of matching salaries. I was simply responding to Bankshot's post about "making it [salaries] work".

Does Kahn do the deal if Boston includes a 1st rounder?

[Mike-Dub]

I don't think we hae to make any moves for a backup wing or anyone for that matter.  I think we are more than good enough to win it with the lineup we have, but if there is a move to make us better I'll gladly take it.

[Chris]

I don't think Portland is a stupid organization, that's for sure.

...I kinda do.  Some people might say they have had bad luck, but I tend to think they took too many risks with injury prone players, and are now in a position where most of their assets have been devalued.

So you think the Celtics are stupid too?  Because they would have drafted Oden first that year over Durant and so would countless other teams.  And Roy had some injury history but saying they shouldn't have taken him I also seriously question because a lot of teams would of because he was such a great player coming in and for the last few seasons, and it was tough to see this kind of turn coming for him.  It's easy to say you did see it coming now.

I'd say they are an unlucky organization.  Pritchard was a good GM I thought, we will see about Cho, and Nate McMillan is a very good coach.

Actually, most people in the know (meaning supposed "insiders") are convinced Danny would have taken Durant.  I have seen very few reports saying he would have taken Oden, but many saying he favored Durant.  But of course, that is all in hindsight, so who knows if its reliable.

As for whether I saw it coming, I didn't see it blowing up like this.  But I had a problem with the way they overvalued their young guys, and continuously refused to deal them when their value was high.  And now, they have missed their opportunity.  

[Bankshot]

Just because a combination of Wafer, Harangody, and Bradley work in a financial trade checker doesnt mean teams want ANY of them... I dont understand why these ridiculous scenarios keep coming up. There are teams out there that still trade for talent and not just look at the financial numbers. These three guys are the last three guys on our roster... No one would want them unless what we get in return is comparable or worse.

I agree. Except in the case of Corey Brewer, Harangody and Bradley might be enough (not salary wise, but for talent).  Minny doesn't even need Brewer with all the forwards they have that play in front of him.  He is a restricted free agent in the offseason, and I don't see Minny paying him.  They might take a defensive minded Bradley in place of the defensive minded Brewer at a cheaper price, plus they get Harangody to boot.  The salaries don't match anyway.

[Roy H.]

I don't think Portland is a stupid organization, that's for sure.

...I kinda do.  Some people might say they have had bad luck, but I tend to think they took too many risks with injury prone players, and are now in a position where most of their assets have been devalued.

So you think the Celtics are stupid too?  Because they would have drafted Oden first that year over Durant and so would countless other teams.  And Roy had some injury history but saying they shouldn't have taken him I also seriously question because a lot of teams would of because he was such a great player coming in and for the last few seasons, and it was tough to see this kind of turn coming for him.  It's easy to say you did see it coming now.

I'd say they are an unlucky organization.  Pritchard was a good GM I thought, we will see about Cho, and Nate McMillan is a very good coach.

Actually, most people in the know (meaning supposed "insiders") are convinced Danny would have taken Durant.  I have seen very few reports saying he would have taken Oden, but many saying he favored Durant.  But of course, that is all in hindsight, so who knows if its reliable.
 

For whatever it's worth, here's what Doc said recently:

“We were all for Oden,” Rivers said Thursday. “I think 98 percent of the league was. I hear it all over our staff, I hear it everywhere, ‘Oh no, we were (Kevin) Durant guys.’ I don’t believe that. I think we would’ve drafted Oden.”

[Snakehead]

I don't think Portland is a stupid organization, that's for sure.

...I kinda do.  Some people might say they have had bad luck, but I tend to think they took too many risks with injury prone players, and are now in a position where most of their assets have been devalued.

So you think the Celtics are stupid too?  Because they would have drafted Oden first that year over Durant and so would countless other teams.  And Roy had some injury history but saying they shouldn't have taken him I also seriously question because a lot of teams would of because he was such a great player coming in and for the last few seasons, and it was tough to see this kind of turn coming for him.  It's easy to say you did see it coming now.

I'd say they are an unlucky organization.  Pritchard was a good GM I thought, we will see about Cho, and Nate McMillan is a very good coach.

Actually, most people in the know (meaning supposed "insiders") are convinced Danny would have taken Durant.  I have seen very few reports saying he would have taken Oden, but many saying he favored Durant.  But of course, that is all in hindsight, so who knows if its reliable.

As for whether I saw it coming, I didn't see it blowing up like this.  But I had a problem with the way they overvalued their young guys, and continuously refused to deal them when their value was high.  And now, they have missed their opportunity. 

I have heard Oden but either way we can safely say it was a toss up and many preferred Oden simply because you don't see many frachise type Centers come along while scorers, even if not quite Durants quality, are not that uncommon.  Either way we could have definitely had Oden and not many were down on him for his injury history.

And I do agree that Portland should have pulled the trigger on a trade to get a veteran for some of their young players, but if these injuries didn't happen they would be in a great situation now, similar to the Thunder, with young players all developing alongside each other.  So yeah, maybe they could have traded a couple of their young guys when their value was high but I'm sure they presumed their value would all be higher by now or they would be a great team.  Oden would be probably the second best C in the league if healthy and with Roy and the rest alongside him it would be a formidable team. 

Sadly, things didn't go that way. I really do feel bad for Portland and think they were unlucky more than anything.

[hpantazo]

I don't think Portland is a stupid organization, that's for sure.

...I kinda do.  Some people might say they have had bad luck, but I tend to think they took too many risks with injury prone players, and are now in a position where most of their assets have been devalued.

So you think the Celtics are stupid too?  Because they would have drafted Oden first that year over Durant and so would countless other teams.  And Roy had some injury history but saying they shouldn't have taken him I also seriously question because a lot of teams would of because he was such a great player coming in and for the last few seasons, and it was tough to see this kind of turn coming for him.  It's easy to say you did see it coming now.

I'd say they are an unlucky organization.  Pritchard was a good GM I thought, we will see about Cho, and Nate McMillan is a very good coach.

Actually, most people in the know (meaning supposed "insiders") are convinced Danny would have taken Durant.  I have seen very few reports saying he would have taken Oden, but many saying he favored Durant.  But of course, that is all in hindsight, so who knows if its reliable.

As for whether I saw it coming, I didn't see it blowing up like this.  But I had a problem with the way they overvalued their young guys, and continuously refused to deal them when their value was high.  And now, they have missed their opportunity. 

I have heard Oden but either way we can safely say it was a toss up and many preferred Oden simply because you don't see many frachise type Centers come along while scorers, even if not quite Durants quality, are not that uncommon.  Either way we could have definitely had Oden and not many were down on him for his injury history.

And I do agree that Portland should have pulled the trigger on a trade to get a veteran for some of their young players, but if these injuries didn't happen they would be in a great situation now, similar to the Thunder, with young players all developing alongside each other.  So yeah, maybe they could have traded a couple of their young guys when their value was high but I'm sure they presumed their value would all be higher by now or they would be a great team.  Oden would be probably the second best C in the league if healthy and with Roy and the rest alongside him it would be a formidable team. 

Sadly, things didn't go that way. I really do feel bad for Portland and think they were unlucky more than anything.

I agree, I feel bad for the blazers. Doc's right, it's easy to look back and say I would have taken Durant, but most of the league would have taken Oden. Also, who's to say that Oden would have had all these injuries if we had drafted him? He could have ended up being healthy as easily as the balls bounced against us during the draft lottery.

I don't think you can call portland's management dumb. They did everything right except for firing Pritchard and signing Roy to a huge extension knowing his knee issues. Drafting Oden and Roy were solid moves that just didn't pan out.

[Chris]

I don't think Portland is a stupid organization, that's for sure.

...I kinda do.  Some people might say they have had bad luck, but I tend to think they took too many risks with injury prone players, and are now in a position where most of their assets have been devalued.

So you think the Celtics are stupid too?  Because they would have drafted Oden first that year over Durant and so would countless other teams.  And Roy had some injury history but saying they shouldn't have taken him I also seriously question because a lot of teams would of because he was such a great player coming in and for the last few seasons, and it was tough to see this kind of turn coming for him.  It's easy to say you did see it coming now.

I'd say they are an unlucky organization.  Pritchard was a good GM I thought, we will see about Cho, and Nate McMillan is a very good coach.

Actually, most people in the know (meaning supposed "insiders") are convinced Danny would have taken Durant.  I have seen very few reports saying he would have taken Oden, but many saying he favored Durant.  But of course, that is all in hindsight, so who knows if its reliable.
 

For whatever it's worth, here's what Doc said recently:

“We were all for Oden,” Rivers said Thursday. “I think 98 percent of the league was. I hear it all over our staff, I hear it everywhere, ‘Oh no, we were (Kevin) Durant guys.’ I don’t believe that. I think we would’ve drafted Oden.”

Wow, that is the first time I have heard that.  Perhaps I am wrong (or perhaps that is spin by Doc).

But either way, my biggest problem with them has been with how they have handled their roster after drafting those guys, and refusing to move on, even when the writing was on the wall, but they still had some value.