Nice Hands, JO

[MaxAMillion]

Why is everyone so quick to rip JO. I really dont understand it. He's been out 19 straight games and had like one practice to get back into the swing of things. Nate Robinson building his house out of bricks on 13 shots certainly was the biggest factor in the C's loss yesterday. The second was probably Shaq playing only 12 minutes.

Because a lot of us never believed he would be good for this team. His performance yesterday didn't cost the team the game, but I think he was a mistake signing in my opinion.

I remember how he was mocked by a lot of people on this board for how he performed against the Celtics last year. Should we just forget last year's performance? Should we forget that he is always injured? I think this was perhaps the worst move DA has made with the Celtics.

[Finkelskyhook]

Why is everyone so quick to rip JO. I really dont understand it. He's been out 19 straight games and had like one practice to get back into the swing of things. Nate Robinson building his house out of bricks on 13 shots certainly was the biggest factor in the C's loss yesterday. The second was probably Shaq playing only 12 minutes.

Because his injuries are all fictional.  Not Rondo's or KGs or anyone else's just his   .   These are the same people that would rather have Antoine back so just try to ignore them.

I don't know that everybody who thinks O'Neal is tanking would want Antoine.  But at least Antoine brings it every night.  Maybe some people don't like what he brings.  But he brings effort, contageous enthusiasm, and hands.  I'd rather have a capable towel waver at the end of the bench...Or anywhere else who's a gamer when called on (Scal / Antoine) than a more talented tanker who predictably sits out half or more of his non-contract year games.

By the way.  Since when does being "rusty" stop a guy who's played basketball all his life from being able to catch a freaking basketball?  His flu-like "symptoms"?  His knee "injuries"?  LOL.  I'm sorry.  I get more of a laugh out of O'Neal's sympathizers than any of the people who see reality and aren't afraid to speak just because O'Neal wears green.

[nba is the worst]

Why is everyone so quick to rip JO. I really dont understand it. He's been out 19 straight games and had like one practice to get back into the swing of things. Nate Robinson building his house out of bricks on 13 shots certainly was the biggest factor in the C's loss yesterday. The second was probably Shaq playing only 12 minutes.

Because a lot of us never believed he would be good for this team. His performance yesterday didn't cost the team the game, but I think he was a mistake signing in my opinion.

I remember how he was mocked by a lot of people on this board for how he performed against the Celtics last year. Should we just forget last year's performance? Should we forget that he is always injured? I think this was perhaps the worst move DA has made with the Celtics.

Agree 100%.

I was shocked that the C's signed him to the full MLE, and so quickly too.

It will be a major surprise if he produces any decent play in the post-season...

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Nate's shooting was more of a factor. JO has been out of the flow for a WHILE. He did some good on D, got a few bad calls. I wish Nate would go for layups when his shooting is sooo bad. And as GOOD as bbd played, i still wish he would finish some of those with a dunk.....!

[ballin]

**** @ the apologists defending JO

JO sucks, and what he's bringing to the table now is exactly what he's going to bring all year. I've been saying it since day 1. HE'S WASHED UP. check all my prior posts if you don't believe me.

People will keep making excuses for him until the season is 3/4 over, at which point people will say "well he didn't live up to expectations because he was injured blah blah". Well guess what, he's been injured and he's going to continue getting injured because that's who he is at this point, a washed up injury-prone old man. Being injured is NOT an excuse in his case. I saw all I needed to see last season to realize he was a bad pickup the moment we got him.

Much like Rasheed, JO didn't "quit on his team". JO just got old, and bad. But some people will always see the world with rose-colored glasses I guess.

[Roy H.]

Because a lot of us never believed he would be good for this team. His performance yesterday didn't cost the team the game, but I think he was a mistake signing in my opinion.

. . . I think this was perhaps the worst move DA has made with the Celtics.

Who would have been a better signing with the MLE, especially in light of Danny's goals of:  1) Signing a rotation (and perhaps starting) center, and 2) maintaining financial flexibility by signing nobody for more than two years?

[Roy H.]

**** @ the apologists defending JO

JO sucks, and what he's bringing to the table now is exactly what he's going to bring all year. I've been saying it since day 1. HE'S WASHED UP. check all my prior posts if you don't believe me.

People will keep making excuses for him until the season is 3/4 over, at which point people will say "well he didn't live up to expectations because he was injured blah blah". Well guess what, he's been injured and he's going to continue getting injured because that's who he is at this point, a washed up injury-prone old man. Being injured is NOT an excuse in his case. I saw all I needed to see last season to realize he was a bad pickup the moment we got him.

Much like Rasheed, JO didn't "quit on his team". JO just got old, and bad. But some people will always see the world with rose-colored glasses I guess.

Last year, J.O. was 10th in the NBA among centers in terms of points per game.  He was 9th in FG%, 15th in rebounds per game, and 16th in blocks per game.

How is that "washed up"?  If anything, that's "above-average".

[Edgar]

Because a lot of us never believed he would be good for this team. His performance yesterday didn't cost the team the game, but I think he was a mistake signing in my opinion.

. . . I think this was perhaps the worst move DA has made with the Celtics.

Who would have been a better signing with the MLE, especially in light of Danny's goals of:  1) Signing a rotation (and perhaps starting) center, and 2) maintaining financial flexibility by signing nobody for more than two years?

taking this back , you will need to send me the list again Hobbsy

I will go after a natural PF from the list you send last time
and keep BBD playing as Center with Erden maybe playing a little more.

P.s. I do think erden was needed for a frustrating foul or 2 yesterday during second quarter and maybe 3rd. after shaq 2nd. Size was killing Orlando
Or even play JO and ask him to go a little more phisical on Dwight dont you think
after all he wasnt hurting on D

[dpaps]

I think JO is going to really really surprise most casual Celtic fans this year, who all have seemed to embrace him as chump.

Once he gets healthy and gets more time on the court, he'll settle in. He's still a well above average big man. He's better defensively than Shaq and better offensively than Perk. He's one of the better defensive bigs in the game and is a very capable offensive player. He's still getting settled into the team. People will be eating their words when he is a very very important contributor to our ring.

[housecall]

**** @ the apologists defending JO

JO sucks, and what he's bringing to the table now is exactly what he's going to bring all year. I've been saying it since day 1. HE'S WASHED UP. check all my prior posts if you don't believe me.

People will keep making excuses for him until the season is 3/4 over, at which point people will say "well he didn't live up to expectations because he was injured blah blah". Well guess what, he's been injured and he's going to continue getting injured because that's who he is at this point, a washed up injury-prone old man. Being injured is NOT an excuse in his case. I saw all I needed to see last season to realize he was a bad pickup the moment we got him.

Much like Rasheed, JO didn't "quit on his team". JO just got old, and bad. But some people will always see the world with rose-colored glasses I guess.

First,im not a JO apologist because i didn't like the signing or for the money he's being paid.I think it should be reversed with Shaq getting the MLE and JO the minimum.However Danny didn't have a lot of choices at the time so he went with what was available.I doubt Danny or anyone on this blog thought JO was going to be the starting C for the entire season.Theres a big difference in Miami last season counting on him to be their number one C than Danny expecting him in the end to be playing role player minutes.Im sure he went into it knowing exactly what he was getting.No one can foresee injuries but in the end JO is expected to give them some backup minutes.

[Edgar]

I think JO is going to really really surprise most casual Celtic fans this year, who all have seemed to embrace him as chump.

Once he gets healthy and gets more time on the court, he'll settle in. He's still a well above average big man. He's better defensively than Shaq and better offensively than Perk. He's one of the better defensive bigs in the game and is a very capable offensive player. He's still getting settled into the team. People will be eating their words when he is a very very important contributor to our ring.

I dont know about eating words
but we receive a very pleasant surprise from sheed during finals last time I check
so I still believe

[Finkelskyhook]

I think JO is going to really really surprise most casual Celtic fans this year, who all have seemed to embrace him as chump.

Once he gets healthy and gets more time on the court, he'll settle in. He's still a well above average big man. He's better defensively than Shaq and better offensively than Perk. He's one of the better defensive bigs in the game and is a very capable offensive player. He's still getting settled into the team. People will be eating their words when he is a very very important contributor to our ring.

I dont know about eating words
but we receive a very pleasant surprise from sheed during finals last time I check
so I still believe

I hope you're right Edgar.  The difference is that Sheed actually showed up for most of the games..Not to mention that he pretty much told us what he thought about the regular season during the season. But he showed up for the games at least in body.  A person could see that Sheed's back was hurting during a lot of those games.  But he played.  I had my doubts...But at least he was participating.  So it wasn't an extreme reach to think he'd contribute in the post season.

[mgent]

Because a lot of us never believed he would be good for this team. His performance yesterday didn't cost the team the game, but I think he was a mistake signing in my opinion.

. . . I think this was perhaps the worst move DA has made with the Celtics.

Who would have been a better signing with the MLE, especially in light of Danny's goals of:  1) Signing a rotation (and perhaps starting) center, and 2) maintaining financial flexibility by signing nobody for more than two years?

I wouldn't rather have him, but so far Brad Miller would have been a better signing than JO.  I think him and Jermaine were the 2 main guys we were looking at.

28 games, 18.5mpg, 8ppg, 4rpg, 2.5apg, 50% fg, 45% 3pt, 85% ft

[pearljammer10]

Why is everyone so quick to rip JO. I really dont understand it. He's been out 19 straight games and had like one practice to get back into the swing of things. Nate Robinson building his house out of bricks on 13 shots certainly was the biggest factor in the C's loss yesterday. The second was probably Shaq playing only 12 minutes.

Because his injuries are all fictional.  Not Rondo's or KGs or anyone else's just his   .   These are the same people that would rather have Antoine back so just try to ignore them.

I don't know that everybody who thinks O'Neal is tanking would want Antoine.  But at least Antoine brings it every night.  Maybe some people don't like what he brings.  But he brings effort, contageous enthusiasm, and hands.  I'd rather have a capable towel waver at the end of the bench...Or anywhere else who's a gamer when called on (Scal / Antoine) than a more talented tanker who predictably sits out half or more of his non-contract year games.

By the way.  Since when does being "rusty" stop a guy who's played basketball all his life from being able to catch a freaking basketball?  His flu-like "symptoms"?  His knee "injuries"?  LOL.  I'm sorry.  I get more of a laugh out of O'Neal's sympathizers than any of the people who see reality and aren't afraid to speak just because O'Neal wears green.

If the guy has a knee injury then the guy has a knee injury... WOuld you rather him force himself onto the court and hobble around or let his rest and take care of his health. Same with the flu. If a guy has the flu, a guy has the flu, why fault him for it? You have no idea what his injury troubles are and how can you even judge him on his performance when he has played pretty much 0 games healthy so far this year?

First game back after two months of doing nothing, and having one practice if he was lucky, he's not going to put up superstar numbers right out of the gate. Plus he looked pretty good on defense in the limited minutes he had yesterday. Let him get his conditioning back and things will start clicking.

Im giving Roy a TP here because like he said, we needed size and length at the center position and JO was ranked above average in most of his statistical categories last year. Now he is in a limited role for us, he isnt going to put up 15 and 8 every night, but he is going to help anchor the second unit defense and give us some size on the boards. Plus, pass on him and let BBD play center?? Seriously, what a joke.

[Neurotic Guy]

JO is a no lose situation as far as I am concerned.  The biggest difference between JO and Sheed is that we needed Sheed -- and I don't mean Game 7.  We needed Sheed all year and throughou the playoffs.  JO is insurance. If all goes to plan, JO won't be needed. Hoefully he'll provide gravy if he gets up to speed, but the big idea is for Perk and Shaq to take most/all of the 5 minutes and KG and Baby to take most/all of the 4 minutes.  Give the guy time to get healthy and then we'll see if he can contribute.