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Re: Shaq Rips Officials
« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2010, 03:27:40 PM »

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You include Pierce with Kobe and Dwight??  Paul Pierce doesn't even get 2/3s of calls that are actually fouls.  And you think he gets star treatment?!  Perhaps you think this is 2006?

I would say that out of those three, Paul gets away with a lot more.  He travels probably one in three times he has the ball.  That ridiculously obvious upfake/charge that he's made a career of going to the free throw line with is probably as bogus as 80% of the charges (flops) that Glen Davis takes.  The fact that he gets relatively few technicals despite of his frequent histrionics speak to the leiniency he gets from officials.

Incidentally, I liked the restraint that the officials showed on the Howard post-free throw sarcasm where the official told him to knock it off and Howard listened.  I liked the similar restraint the official showed on Pierce before calling a tech.  Pierce didn't stop complaining and deserved the T.  He was the victim of a terrible call but at some point, he needs to stop and get back to the game.

Just officiate by the [dang]ed rulebook.


Well said - despite how unpopular this viewpoint is likely to be.

Can't stand the upfake/charge wrong call, no matter if it's wade, PP, or Reggie Miller doing it...

Re: Shaq Rips Officials
« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2010, 03:42:06 PM »

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You include Pierce with Kobe and Dwight??  Paul Pierce doesn't even get 2/3s of calls that are actually fouls.  And you think he gets star treatment?!  Perhaps you think this is 2006?

I would say that out of those three, Paul gets away with a lot more.  He travels probably one in three times he has the ball.  That ridiculously obvious upfake/charge that he's made a career of going to the free throw line with is probably as bogus as 80% of the charges (flops) that Glen Davis takes.  The fact that he gets relatively few technicals despite of his frequent histrionics speak to the leiniency he gets from officials.

Incidentally, I liked the restraint that the officials showed on the Howard post-free throw sarcasm where the official told him to knock it off and Howard listened.  I liked the similar restraint the official showed on Pierce before calling a tech.  Pierce didn't stop complaining and deserved the T.  He was the victim of a terrible call but at some point, he needs to stop and get back to the game.

Just officiate by the [dang]ed rulebook.


Well said - despite how unpopular this viewpoint is likely to be.

Can't stand the upfake/charge wrong call, no matter if it's wade, PP, or Reggie Miller doing it...

It's not a wrong call if the other person jumps into you. I believe the way it's supposed to be officiated is that it depends on who makes the contact... if a defender is in the air and moving in your direction because you faked him out well then obviously they're the ones initiating the contact and they could be called for the foul if they hit you.

If you have to lean in and tap them lightly with your shoulder in order for them to touch you, then obviously it's incidental contact initiated by the offensive player and should be a non call. Really, in my opinion, the smell test in this situation is how ridiculous the play looks. I agree 100% that it's crap when Pierce leans in a foot to initiate contact, feels it, and then pulls up for a normal jumpshot after the fact. That should be a no-call. But you HAVE to penalize players for jumping into other players or otherwise there would be no penalty for basically mugging players by jumping on top of them.

Re: Shaq Rips Officials
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2010, 04:20:26 PM »

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Re: Shaq Rips Officials
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2010, 04:38:58 PM »

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You include Pierce with Kobe and Dwight??  Paul Pierce doesn't even get 2/3s of calls that are actually fouls.  And you think he gets star treatment?!  Perhaps you think this is 2006?

I would say that out of those three, Paul gets away with a lot more.  He travels probably one in three times he has the ball.  That ridiculously obvious upfake/charge that he's made a career of going to the free throw line with is probably as bogus as 80% of the charges (flops) that Glen Davis takes.  The fact that he gets relatively few technicals despite of his frequent histrionics speak to the leiniency he gets from officials.

Incidentally, I liked the restraint that the officials showed on the Howard post-free throw sarcasm where the official told him to knock it off and Howard listened.  I liked the similar restraint the official showed on Pierce before calling a tech.  Pierce didn't stop complaining and deserved the T.  He was the victim of a terrible call but at some point, he needs to stop and get back to the game.

Just officiate by the [dang]ed rulebook.


Well said - despite how unpopular this viewpoint is likely to be.

Can't stand the upfake/charge wrong call, no matter if it's wade, PP, or Reggie Miller doing it...
I don't know what the heck an upfake/charge wrong call is but I don't think you guys know what you're talking about.  How are 80% of Baby's charges bogus?  How is it a flop when on the majority of his charges the guy is plowing into him at full speed?  That is called contact.  If you want to learn what a flop is watch Noah or Varejao play.

As for Pierce's signature upfake, what is your complaint?  The whole point of an upfake is to get your guy in the air.  As a classic triple threat of course the fakes are gonna be in his arsenal.  He's such a good shooter no one is gonna give him the shot so once they're in the air he can blow by them to get to the rim.  If there isn't a clear lane then he can absorb the contact instead and get to the line.  The latter he has done much less often since KG and Ray come to town anyway (partly because he does the former more often and partly because he just doesn't get the calls as often as he used to).

Both of these things are in the rulebook.

And also I don't think Pierce travels nearly as much as Kobe (or many others in the league) even though he clearly traveled on that inbounds passs towards the end of the game.
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Re: Shaq Rips Officials
« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2010, 04:51:51 PM »

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You include Pierce with Kobe and Dwight??  Paul Pierce doesn't even get 2/3s of calls that are actually fouls.  And you think he gets star treatment?!  Perhaps you think this is 2006?

I would say that out of those three, Paul gets away with a lot more.  He travels probably one in three times he has the ball.  That ridiculously obvious upfake/charge that he's made a career of going to the free throw line with is probably as bogus as 80% of the charges (flops) that Glen Davis takes.  The fact that he gets relatively few technicals despite of his frequent histrionics speak to the leiniency he gets from officials.

Incidentally, I liked the restraint that the officials showed on the Howard post-free throw sarcasm where the official told him to knock it off and Howard listened.  I liked the similar restraint the official showed on Pierce before calling a tech.  Pierce didn't stop complaining and deserved the T.  He was the victim of a terrible call but at some point, he needs to stop and get back to the game.

Just officiate by the [dang]ed rulebook.


Well said - despite how unpopular this viewpoint is likely to be.

Can't stand the upfake/charge wrong call, no matter if it's wade, PP, or Reggie Miller doing it...
I don't know what the heck an upfake/charge wrong call is but I don't think you guys know what you're talking about.  How are 80% of Baby's charges bogus?  How is it a flop when on the majority of his charges the guy is plowing into him at full speed?  That is called contact.  If you want to learn what a flop is watch Noah or Varejao play.

As for Pierce's signature upfake, what is your complaint?  The whole point of an upfake is to get your guy in the air.  As a classic triple threat of course the fakes are gonna be in his arsenal.  He's such a good shooter no one is gonna give him the shot so once they're in the air he can blow by them to get to the rim.  If there isn't a clear lane then he can absorb the contact instead and get to the line.  The latter he has done much less often since KG and Ray come to town anyway (partly because he does the former more often and partly because he just doesn't get the calls as often as he used to).

Both of these things are in the rulebook.

And also I don't think Pierce travels nearly as much as Kobe (or many others in the league) even though he clearly traveled on that inbounds passs towards the end of the game.

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Re: Shaq Rips Officials
« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2010, 05:15:58 PM »

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You include Pierce with Kobe and Dwight??  Paul Pierce doesn't even get 2/3s of calls that are actually fouls.  And you think he gets star treatment?!  Perhaps you think this is 2006?

I would say that out of those three, Paul gets away with a lot more.  He travels probably one in three times he has the ball.  That ridiculously obvious upfake/charge that he's made a career of going to the free throw line with is probably as bogus as 80% of the charges (flops) that Glen Davis takes.  The fact that he gets relatively few technicals despite of his frequent histrionics speak to the leiniency he gets from officials.

Incidentally, I liked the restraint that the officials showed on the Howard post-free throw sarcasm where the official told him to knock it off and Howard listened.  I liked the similar restraint the official showed on Pierce before calling a tech.  Pierce didn't stop complaining and deserved the T.  He was the victim of a terrible call but at some point, he needs to stop and get back to the game.

Just officiate by the [dang]ed rulebook.


Well said - despite how unpopular this viewpoint is likely to be.

Can't stand the upfake/charge wrong call, no matter if it's wade, PP, or Reggie Miller doing it...
I don't know what the heck an upfake/charge wrong call is but I don't think you guys know what you're talking about.  How are 80% of Baby's charges bogus?  How is it a flop when on the majority of his charges the guy is plowing into him at full speed?  That is called contact.  If you want to learn what a flop is watch Noah or Varejao play.

As for Pierce's signature upfake, what is your complaint?  The whole point of an upfake is to get your guy in the air.  As a classic triple threat of course the fakes are gonna be in his arsenal.  He's such a good shooter no one is gonna give him the shot so once they're in the air he can blow by them to get to the rim.  If there isn't a clear lane then he can absorb the contact instead and get to the line.  The latter he has done much less often since KG and Ray come to town anyway (partly because he does the former more often and partly because he just doesn't get the calls as often as he used to).

Both of these things are in the rulebook.

And also I don't think Pierce travels nearly as much as Kobe (or many others in the league) even though he clearly traveled on that inbounds passs towards the end of the game.

The only thing signature about Pierce's upfake is that he's the only NBA player who repeatedly can get the call when he barrels forward into an airborne opponent. It's irrelevent that the opponent may have been faked out when he goes straight up.  Pierce barrels forward and initiates the contact about 80% of the time and gets to the line 100% of the time.  Pierce is the only NBA player who consistently gets that call...And it is a bogus one.  There is nobody else to compare this to because Pierce is the only one who gets this call consistently.  The fact that either Kobe or Pierce travel as often as the do just discredits the game.

When a 6'9" 300lb man gets consistently "plowed over" by players half this size....No matter what speed that person is moving at, it's a flop.  The fact that Noah and Varajao have more hair so when they flail and flop it looks more pronounced doesn't make their flops any less ridiculous than Davis.  Flops discredit the game.  The offensive foul Davis took from Howard yesterday was an extremely rare proper call.

The only difference between Davis and Pierce compared to Kobe, Varajao, and Noah are the color of their uniforms.

Nothing subjective about either thing.  Pierce is charging and Davis is flopping.

I'm reading a basketball rulebook.   You must be reading Donaghy's / Stern's.  Sadly, a lot of these games are starting to look that way.
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Re: Shaq Rips Officials
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2010, 06:33:26 PM »

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Pierce is certainly not the only guy to have used this technique to get to the line, and it hasn't worked 100% of the time in recent years.  This is because he no longer gets the superstar treatment he used to, as I've said.  And this has contributed to him not trying the move nearly as much as he used, as I've also said.

When a defender is in the air and comes down on you, that's a foul, I don't know why you are arguing that.  The reason guys look for contact after a pump fake is because the man in the air trying to block your shot has forfeited the control of his body by leaving the ground thus he cannot avoid the foul.
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Re: Shaq Rips Officials
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2010, 09:23:27 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2010, 11:26:36 AM »

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Oh the fine was 35K.  I got pretty close with my 25K figure.

2k each
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Shaq was just the speechman for the team
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« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2010, 11:32:57 AM »

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Oh the fine was 35K.  I got pretty close with my 25K figure.

2k each
nothing a night off not partying wont cover
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Shaq was just the speechman for the team
so I am sure it will be an inside collect ;)

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Re: Shaq Rips Officials
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2010, 11:45:08 AM »

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You are wrong, Finkelskyhook. NO WAY is Big Baby a flopper.
Do you have any idea how much it hurts to take those charges?
BBD is 6-10 and 285 lbs also, so you even have that part wrong. You must have never played basketball yourself because you are wrong about alot of things.

Re: Shaq Rips Officials
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2010, 11:56:05 AM »

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David Stern sent his is pocket ref to this game with 1 mission: get Shaq out of the game.

We seem to be 5v8 a lot recently, and we can't beat them every time....  I hope this changes for us but Stern doesn't need to cater to the Celtics at all and he wont.

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« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2010, 12:24:19 PM »

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MY bad overreaction to Finkleyskyhook. You're all right.
Just wrong about BBD flopping.

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« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2010, 12:29:59 PM »

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You are wrong, Finkelskyhook. NO WAY is Big Baby a flopper.
Do you have any idea how much it hurts to take those charges?
BBD is 6-10 and 285 lbs also, so you even have that part wrong. You must have never played basketball yourself because you are wrong about alot of things.

If Baby doesn't fall down I bet the refs would be calling a blocking foul instead of a charge.

Re: Shaq Rips Officials
« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2010, 01:09:42 PM »

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