Delay of Game on KG

[Amonkey]

Yesterday's game was absolutely amazing and the Knicks played an unbelievable game, but one thing that hunts me a little bit.  What was up with KG's 'delay of game'? If it wasn't for that call, then the game would've finished completely differently.  The Knicks would have to foul in order to get the ball back (since we'd be up by 1) and the Pierce's heroic shot wouldnt been necessary.  Also, isn't there a 'delay of game WARNING' issued before they go to Technical FT?  Please, somebody explain this to me so I can sleep more easily.

[nba is the worst]

Yesterday's game was absolutely amazing and the Knicks played an unbelievable game, but one thing that hunts me a little bit.  What was up with KG's 'delay of game'? If it wasn't for that call, then the game would've finished completely differently.  The Knicks would have to foul in order to get the ball back (since we'd be up by 1) and the Pierce's heroic shot wouldnt been necessary.  Also, isn't there a 'delay of game WARNING' issued before they go to Technical FT?  Please, somebody explain this to me so I can sleep more easily.

They claimed that there already had been a delay of game warning. But that's the first time I've seen that call when a player passed the ball to a ref.

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[dirtyeggs]

There was already a delay of game warning and it was on KG for the same thing ... I think it was the play right before.  It was still just ridiculous.  No reason to make that call.

[CelticsWhat35]

Like the previous poster said, they gave him a delay of game warning beforehand.  By taking the ball out of the basket and giving it to the ref, you are delaying the chance for the Knicks to inbound the ball quickly.  It's one thing if the ball rolls over to the player and he passes it to the ref, but Amare was trying to grab it and KG took it away and hit it to the ref.

I don't have a problem with it.  I think it's a veteran move by KG that gives the team an extra second or two to set up it's defense.  And maybe a lot of refs wouldn't make that call, but it's probably the right call.

[Amonkey]

So by giving the ball to the ref you get a delay of game? What about the many other plays where both teams took its time to give the ball back, including the Gallinari dunk where he hanged around the rim. Also, there was one play where the refs randomly stopped the inbound pass and went into a random hurdle to talk about what they're giving Stern for x-mas. That is BS and not worthy of 1 point.

[housecall]

Looked a little premeditated on the refs behalf to me.

[Greenbean]

KG does this all the time. Ive seen him warned before.

Against the Knicks if he gets away with it becomes very effective given their style of play.

I think there needs to be a clear rule regarding this.

Is there something in the rule book that says you cant throw the ball to a ref after a made basket?

Maybe the rule should be you cant even intentionally touch the ball after a made basket.

I dont really know the answer, but what KG did is a great move against a team that tries to run on made baskets. If the NBA wants to take it out of the game, be clear about it.

[guava_wrench]

There was already a delay of game warning and it was on KG for the same thing ... I think it was the play right before.  It was still just ridiculous.  No reason to make that call.

There is a reason to make that call. It should be made more often. You should leave the ball alone after you score unless it is falling on you on a way that you really have no choice.

KG's was essentially taking the ball away from a knick player both times to toss it to the ref. That is unacceptable and refs should call that more regularly.  Usually they only call it at the end of games where I think there is actually a stricter rule at that point.

After the warning, it was completely on him when he did it a second time.

I have played with guys who like to play with the ball after they score and it is extremely poor sportsmanship and a really cheap way to slow down the opponent from pushing the ball up the court (which the Knicks want to do, even after the opponent scores).

[BballTim]

There was already a delay of game warning and it was on KG for the same thing ... I think it was the play right before.  It was still just ridiculous.  No reason to make that call.

There is a reason to make that call. It should be made more often. You should leave the ball alone after you score unless it is falling on you on a way that you really have no choice.

KG's was essentially taking the ball away from a knick player both times to toss it to the ref. That is unacceptable and refs should call that more regularly.  Usually they only call it at the end of games where I think there is actually a stricter rule at that point.

After the warning, it was completely on him when he did it a second time.

I have played with guys who like to play with the ball after they score and it is extremely poor sportsmanship and a really cheap way to slow down the opponent from pushing the ball up the court (which the Knicks want to do, even after the opponent scores).

  By the same token, though, the Knicks did the same thing KG did on multiple occasions without getting whistled for it. Kind of bizarre.

[Chris]

Does anyone know what the actual protocol for that is?  I have always wondered that.  We see delay of game warnings for it all the time, but I have never been able to figure out the actual rule.  Any refs out there?

[LooseCannon]

The rules for delay of game penalties:

a. A delay-of-game shall be called for:
(1) Preventing the ball from being promptly put into play.
(2) Interfering with the ball after a successful field goal.
(3) Failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official when a personal foul or violation is assessed.
(4) Touching the ball before the throw-in has been released.
(5) A defender crossing the boundary line prior to the ball being released on a throw-in.
(6) A team preventing play from commencing at any time.
(7) Any player, coach or trainer interfering with a ball which has crossed the boundary line (Rule 8--Section II--f).
PENALTY: The first offense is a warning. A technical foul shall be assessed with each successive offense and charged to the team. An announcement will be made by the public address announcer. The 24-second clock shall remain the same or reset to 14, whichever is greater, if the violation is assessed against the defensive team. The offensive team shall be awarded a new 8 seconds to advance the ball if it is in the backcourt. If repeated acts become a travesty, the head coach shall be noti-fied that he is being held responsible.
EXCEPTION (5): In the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any over-time period, a technical foul will be assessed if the defender crosses or breaks the plane of the boundary line prior to the ball being released on a throw-in.

KG falls under (1) and/or (2).  Most teams don't care until towards the end of the fourth quarter. So, the rule probably gets passively enforced until someone complains.  The Knicks are different in that pushing the ball is their entire game strategy.  Presumably, they complain and the refs take a closer look at the matter.

Is anyone disputing that Garnett was trying to slow down the Knicks offense?

[Greenbean]

The rules for delay of game penalties:

a. A delay-of-game shall be called for:
(1) Preventing the ball from being promptly put into play.
(2) Interfering with the ball after a successful field goal.
(3) Failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official when a personal foul or violation is assessed.
(4) Touching the ball before the throw-in has been released.
(5) A defender crossing the boundary line prior to the ball being released on a throw-in.
(6) A team preventing play from commencing at any time.
(7) Any player, coach or trainer interfering with a ball which has crossed the boundary line (Rule 8--Section II--f).
PENALTY: The first offense is a warning. A technical foul shall be assessed with each successive offense and charged to the team. An announcement will be made by the public address announcer. The 24-second clock shall remain the same or reset to 14, whichever is greater, if the violation is assessed against the defensive team. The offensive team shall be awarded a new 8 seconds to advance the ball if it is in the backcourt. If repeated acts become a travesty, the head coach shall be noti-fied that he is being held responsible.
EXCEPTION (5): In the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any over-time period, a technical foul will be assessed if the defender crosses or breaks the plane of the boundary line prior to the ball being released on a throw-in.

KG falls under (1) and/or (2).  Most teams don't care until towards the end of the fourth quarter. So, the rule probably gets passively enforced until someone complains.  The Knicks are different in that pushing the ball is their entire game strategy.  Presumably, they complain and the refs take a closer look at the matter.

Is anyone disputing that Garnett was trying to slow down the Knicks offense?

Thanks Loose Cannon!

According to rule number 2, you should never be able to intentionally touch the ball after a made hoop.

This needs to be enforced 100% league wide.

Or the rule needs to go away so we an keep slowing down D'Antoni offenses!

[coachbullins]

It wasn’t a bad call you aren’t supposed to get the ball out of the basket even if you grab it and pass it to the opposing team you can get hit you with that call. But, on the other hand even though I'm sure it probably happened to someone last season and the one before and the one before I have never seen someone called for passing it to the ref. Then there was a b.s foul called at the end that allowed the Knicks to tie. But, it was nothing like the last minute or two of the Finals we don’t get the whistle at the end of games, and the other team does you just have to get used to it if your going to be a fan of the Cs

[NoraG1]

KG does this all the time. Ive seen him warned before.

Against the Knicks if he gets away with it becomes very effective given their style of play.

I think there needs to be a clear rule regarding this.

Is there something in the rule book that says you cant throw the ball to a ref after a made basket?

Maybe the rule should be you cant even intentionally touch the ball after a made basket.

I dont really know the answer, but what KG did is a great move against a team that tries to run on made baskets. If the NBA wants to take it out of the game, be clear about it.

You know if they are going to call this they better make sure to call it against the other team when they do it as well. This is done by teams in every game! This is my problem with it. If it is going to be a rule it better be for everyone not just one player/team. Knicks had no right to complain when they did the same thing. All I want is things called fairly on both sides.

[Chris]

KG does this all the time. Ive seen him warned before.

Against the Knicks if he gets away with it becomes very effective given their style of play.

I think there needs to be a clear rule regarding this.

Is there something in the rule book that says you cant throw the ball to a ref after a made basket?

Maybe the rule should be you cant even intentionally touch the ball after a made basket.

I dont really know the answer, but what KG did is a great move against a team that tries to run on made baskets. If the NBA wants to take it out of the game, be clear about it.

You know if they are going to call this they better make sure to call it against the other team when they do it as well. This is done by teams in every game! This is my problem with it. If it is going to be a rule it better be for everyone not just one player/team. Knicks had no right to complain when they did the same thing. All I want is things called fairly on both sides.

From what I can gather, the issue is when it is intentially done to slow down the game.  There is no doubt in my mind that KG was trying to purposely slow down the Knicks who love to run off made baskets. 

More importantly though, he was warned on the previous basket.  To be warned, and then almost immediately do the exact same thing you were warned about is just asking for a technical.