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Re: Hollinger Humor
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2010, 06:43:03 PM »

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I haven't read this entire thread, but someone please explain to me how the Heat are ahead of the C's.
Its been explained several times by myself and other posters. Read the thread.

Re: Hollinger Humor
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2010, 06:43:33 PM »

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A few things:

1. Just because somebody rejects Hollinger's formula doesn't mean that they reject all statistical models. Hollinger's seems flawed, in part because it totally rejects H2H and winning percentage.

How would you incorporate head-to-head in a 30 team model?  This isn't a direct Miami-Boston comparison.

Re: Hollinger Humor
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2010, 06:57:49 PM »

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I haven't read this entire thread, but someone please explain to me how the Heat are ahead of the C's.
Its been explained several times by myself and other posters. Read the thread.

I get his formula, it just doesn't make sense. The Celtics beat better competition by 3.5 less ppg.

For the whole season, the Heat have not performed nearly as close to the C's.

Why not take into account beating teams that are missing players? Or winning games without some of your players? Oh, that's right, because it is a FORMULA. No thanks.

Honestly, I take Stein's more seriously out of the two. Atleast he watches basketball once in awhile.

I hope some of you guys aren't in love with PER too....lol.
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Re: Hollinger Humor
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2010, 06:58:25 PM »

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I haven't read this entire thread, but someone please explain to me how the Heat are ahead of the C's.
Its been explained several times by myself and other posters. Read the thread.

I get his formula, it just doesn't make sense. The Celtics beat better competition by 3.5 less ppg.

For the whole season, the Heat have not performed nearly as close to the C's.

Why not take into account beating teams that are missing players? Or winning games without some of your players? Oh, that's right, because it is a FORMULA. No thanks.

Honestly, I take Stein's more seriously out of the two. Atleast he watches basketball once in awhile.

I hope some of you guys aren't in love with PER too....lol.
We've had three posts explain it earlier on the thread, two of them on the first page of the thread.

Why not read the thread if you're going to participate in the discussion?

Re: Hollinger Humor
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2010, 07:04:50 PM »

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I haven't read this entire thread, but someone please explain to me how the Heat are ahead of the C's.
Its been explained several times by myself and other posters. Read the thread.

I get his formula, it just doesn't make sense. The Celtics beat better competition by 3.5 less ppg.

For the whole season, the Heat have not performed nearly as close to the C's.

Why not take into account beating teams that are missing players? Or winning games without some of your players? Oh, that's right, because it is a FORMULA. No thanks.

Honestly, I take Stein's more seriously out of the two. Atleast he watches basketball once in awhile.

I hope some of you guys aren't in love with PER too....lol.
We've had three posts explain it earlier on the thread, two of them on the first page of the thread.

Why not read the thread if you're going to participate in the discussion?

Lol ok maybe later if this thread is still floating around after the game, but my rant for now is done.
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Re: Hollinger Humor
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2010, 07:54:30 PM »

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There is no doubt in my mind that after Hollinger came up with the rationale for this, he rushed over to CelticsBlog to see what our reaction was.

It would not surprise me at all if he was a guest among us.

He does this stuff for a reason. And we read his stuff. I enjoy his articles. The entertainment value here is priceless, IMO.

Re: Hollinger Humor
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2010, 08:14:54 PM »

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There is no doubt in my mind that after Hollinger came up with the rationale for this, he rushed over to CelticsBlog to see what our reaction was.

It would not surprise me at all if he was a guest among us.

He does this stuff for a reason. And we read his stuff. I enjoy his articles. The entertainment value here is priceless, IMO.

Actually, people are really underestimating his genius...he's successfully developed the perfect equations that screw over ever single fan base!

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« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2010, 08:16:19 PM »

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There is no doubt in my mind that after Hollinger came up with the rationale for this, he rushed over to CelticsBlog to see what our reaction was.

It would not surprise me at all if he was a guest among us.

He does this stuff for a reason. And we read his stuff. I enjoy his articles. The entertainment value here is priceless, IMO.

John Hollinger is the Keyser Soze of Internet trolls.  I like it. 

Re: Hollinger Humor
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2010, 09:02:43 PM »

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For #1 - the OP does explicitly reject "basketball statistics".



I did?


Where did I reject stats as a tool? 


I find his rankings a joke.  They give me a good laugh.


End of story. 

Re: Hollinger Humor
« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2010, 10:32:17 PM »

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ok
time for my 2 cents
no matter your record
a team SHOULD NOT
rank above a team that beat u twice
who happens to have a better record
who happens to have  a better streak
specially on fantasy or power rankins

thats a nono

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Re: Hollinger Humor
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2010, 10:46:29 PM »

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Well, we just replaced a 6 pt win over the Nets with a 12 pt win over the Hawks in our last 10.  I suspect our long nightmare will finally be over tomorrow.

Re: Hollinger Humor
« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2010, 03:16:08 AM »

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I don't know if anyone else mentioned this, but one very minor plus to Miami's score -- they played us twice. Playing us twice boosts their SOS more than it boosts ours because we have a better record.

That won't make much of a difference over the course of a season, but it does show a problem with comparing two teams early in the season using SOS.

The positions shouldn't be taken literally since the difference between scores, even if there were an amazing metric, would only be an approximation. It would put teams in the neighborhood of where they belong at best.

This gets back to the point that his metric is meant to be a different perspective. It is meant to point out the other factors that people might miss when look only at a teams record.

Chicago may not have the greatest record, but they have had the highest SOS.

NY may have a record that exceeded expectations, but they have played the second easiest schedule in the league (though, to their credit, they are +2 road games). Even with our game Weds they are that low on SOS.

Don't worry about the ranking. Instead, enjoy the other sortable stats, like the SOS or Margin in the last 10 games/last 25%. Those can help explain why a team is hot.