A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)

[Csfan1984]

I'm hoping the Wall's magic keeps John alive and it isn't a warg, or red witch thing. We have not seen any special properties of the wall yet but we know it is magical.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I can't really see Jon coming back.  I feel like George RR Martin got bored with the Stannis/Jon Snow plotline and just ended it.  Maybe Stannis doesn't die, but GRRM needs room for Littlefinger and the Knights of the Vale to come through and having Snow and a bunch of random Wildlings is  going to muddy everything up.  I'm pretty sure that the reason that Stannis had all his troops desert him was just because it was an easy plot device to have him lose that battle and get him out of the way.

[Csfan1984]

I can't really see Jon coming back.  I feel like George RR Martin got bored with the Stannis/Jon Snow plotline and just ended it.  Maybe Stannis doesn't die, but GRRM needs room for Littlefinger and the Knights of the Vale to come through and having Snow and a bunch of random Wildlings is  going to muddy everything up.  I'm pretty sure that the reason that Stannis had all his troops desert him was just because it was an easy plot device to have him lose that battle and get him out of the way.

Jon ties most of the characters together only little finger has as many ties. The selfless ignorant hero and master mind villain who exploits. They will likely both survive the story. It's Martin's roots to want conflicted enemies. I'm sure John isn't done he is the only one fighting the real fight against the White Walkers. Who else continues that fight? Rest of the world is wrapped up in drama by the time they settle things the wall will fall and it's not game of thrones but game over.

[kozlodoev]

I can't really see Jon coming back.  I feel like George RR Martin got bored with the Stannis/Jon Snow plotline and just ended it.  Maybe Stannis doesn't die, but GRRM needs room for Littlefinger and the Knights of the Vale to come through and having Snow and a bunch of random Wildlings is  going to muddy everything up.  I'm pretty sure that the reason that Stannis had all his troops desert him was just because it was an easy plot device to have him lose that battle and get him out of the way.

Is that Martin or Weiss and HBO, though? Not sure what's really in the books, as I haven't read them.

[Moranis]

Having now watched the season, I have no idea why they put Sansa in Winterfell to marry Ramsey if she wasn't going to get revenge on him and his father.  It makes absolutely no sense.  She should be in the Vale with Littlefinger like she is in the books if she wasn't going to get her revenge.  It is just really strange to change her storyline and then not have her get revenge.  Makes no sense.

[Jon]

I'm really wondering if the books bring Jon back and the TV series keeps him dead.  The actor Kit Harington is insisting he's done and has apparently already cut his contractually mandated long hair.  Still, apparently in the books, Jon's last words are "Ghost," apparently suggesting that Jon Snow could Warg out of his body into Wolf and save himself.  Apparently the witch is also quoted in the books as saying something to the effect of man to wolf and back to man too.  So maybe HBO continues to derail the series more and more from the books. 

Then again, maybe this is all just HBO trying to cover up the fact that he's not really dead to add more intrigue to next season.  As others have pointed out, Jon Snow is almost definitely not Ned Stark's Edited for profanity.  Please do not do it again., and almost definitely the son of Ned' sister and Dany Targarean's oldest brother (not the one who was killed in the show).  So he seems awfully important just to kill off if that is the case because if that is the case, he actually has a claim on the Iron Throne and actually has a better bloodline than Dany herself. 

[knuckleballer]

There is no way Jon is dead or at least dead for good.  They have foreshadowed way too much with him to kill him off now.  It's one hell of a cliffhanger though.

[Celtics4ever]

Yeah I realize that part but his face is all blue and he seemed like he was hypnotized or something.

Qyburn is not a maester, he was kicked out for unethical experiments and never earned his maester's chain.

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Qyburn

This implies to me, that he might know of necromancy or sorcery of the dead that involves raising them and controlling them or he could be Victor Frankenstein type.     The mountain's face would be blue from lack of oxygen because he was dead.   The oath of silence is a nice way to cover up that he cannot speak.

There is no way Jon is dead or at least dead for good.

Jon Snow is dead, sorry.  Azor Ahai is about to reborn though I think.   if this is true, nothing he said was a lie.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Azor_Ahai

The actor Kit Harington is insisting he's done and has apparently already cut his contractually mandated long hair.

https://imgur.com/z7lBgJ4   

who knows if this is legit?   Hair still looks long to me.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/39t7ns/spoilers_all_kit_harington_hints_got_season_6_info/

[Evantime34]

Having now watched the season, I have no idea why they put Sansa in Winterfell to marry Ramsey if she wasn't going to get revenge on him and his father.  It makes absolutely no sense.  She should be in the Vale with Littlefinger like she is in the books if she wasn't going to get her revenge.  It is just really strange to change her storyline and then not have her get revenge.  Makes no sense.

I think it's because they wanted to give Theon a chance to redeem himself. In the books Jayne Poole posing as Arya is the one that marries Ramsey. However, she doesn't exist on the shows so for Theon to get redemption he had to escape with a character that people care about on the show.

I agree that they shouldn't have done it this way, but I see the reasoning.

[Moranis]

Having now watched the season, I have no idea why they put Sansa in Winterfell to marry Ramsey if she wasn't going to get revenge on him and his father.  It makes absolutely no sense.  She should be in the Vale with Littlefinger like she is in the books if she wasn't going to get her revenge.  It is just really strange to change her storyline and then not have her get revenge.  Makes no sense.

I think it's because they wanted to give Theon a chance to redeem himself. In the books Jayne Poole posing as Arya is the one that marries Ramsey. However, she doesn't exist on the shows so for Theon to get redemption he had to escape with a character that people care about on the show.

I agree that they shouldn't have done it this way, but I see the reasoning.

Yeah but the only way I see Sansa's two storyline converging now is if she dies.  I mean how is she going to go from marrying Harold in the books to ending up somewhere way far north with Theon (maybe at the Wall).  I mean the only thing I can logically think of is that she dies or is completely and utterly meaningless to the overall story arc (and I don't think it is the latter and thus must be the former).

[yall hate]

If Jon is dead... it makes the red woman entirely pointless as a character... and nobody would meet that with praise for Martin's arbitrary random writing style...  they would meet it with ridicule. 

Not necessarily.

Lady Melisandre met Arya.  Said they'd meet again (also, notice the "eyes you'll shut forever"...).  So could be a long way of developing characters for some storyline we don't know about yet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAyCpREHf6k

[Moranis]

Nice take on Reddit:  "The bonus here is that a Night's Watch vow is until death. He dies, gets resurrected, and is free from his vows - able to head off and kick ass, save family, conquer kingdoms, get married, and all that other stuff with a free conscience"

Yeah, maybe not.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview

This just reeks of Kit lying to keep the ratings up and viewers engaged lol

I think he will come back as Ghost, and then eventually inhabit a different body. So Kit Harrington might be done on the show but I think Jon Snow will eventually return.

How would he come back as Ghost? He wasn't a Warg was he?

Yes he is

Hmmm, well that definitely seems plausible then at least for the books, because I don't think the show ever portrayed him as a warg. And with Lady Melissandre coming back to the Wall when she didn't in the books, in addition to the lack of Lady Stoneheart, I'm guessing the show will have Melissandre raise him from the dead or something like that.

Yeah I thought Melisandre raising him from the dead was the most likely outcome, but then I remembered she wasn't at castle black in the books. That combined with the Kit Harrington saying he isn't coming back makes me think the most likely option is him turning into ghost.

Here is a link to a bunch of theories http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/14/game-of-thrones-finale-jon-snow-dead_n_7557158.html.

Also in the books, all of the Stark children except for Rickon and Sansa can warg (although they might just not have done it yet).

Lady Melisandre is at Castle Black in the books.  She, Shireen, and the Queen never went with Stannis and stayed behind (Melisandre stays because her power is much greater at the wall than anywhere else she has been).  She has a number of visions while there.  The big one of course is she asks to see Azor Ahai and hopes to see Stannis, but only sees Jon surrounded by skulls with his face changing from his to a wolf and it is during that vision when it is Jon's face that she sees him surrounded by daggars in the dark.  She warns Jon of this and she also advises him to keep Ghost close by, but he doesn't heed that warning and when he is set to ride south breaking his vows his men stab him. 

That vision of course is a great deal in part why people believe Jon will warg into Ghost and will ultimately be reborn as Azor Ahai as many of Melisandre's visions bore out to be true (even if she didn't get all the facts correct ala Alys Karstark is the girl on the horse not Arya). 

[Evantime34]

Having now watched the season, I have no idea why they put Sansa in Winterfell to marry Ramsey if she wasn't going to get revenge on him and his father.  It makes absolutely no sense.  She should be in the Vale with Littlefinger like she is in the books if she wasn't going to get her revenge.  It is just really strange to change her storyline and then not have her get revenge.  Makes no sense.

I think it's because they wanted to give Theon a chance to redeem himself. In the books Jayne Poole posing as Arya is the one that marries Ramsey. However, she doesn't exist on the shows so for Theon to get redemption he had to escape with a character that people care about on the show.

I agree that they shouldn't have done it this way, but I see the reasoning.

Yeah but the only way I see Sansa's two storyline converging now is if she dies.  I mean how is she going to go from marrying Harold in the books to ending up somewhere way far north with Theon (maybe at the Wall).  I mean the only thing I can logically think of is that she dies or is completely and utterly meaningless to the overall story arc (and I don't think it is the latter and thus must be the former).

I didn't think it was set in the books who she was going to marry, but I could just be forgetting.

If she runs back to the Eyrie that would put her back on track to be on her storyline from the book.

[Evantime34]

If Jon is dead... it makes the red woman entirely pointless as a character... and nobody would meet that with praise for Martin's arbitrary random writing style...  they would meet it with ridicule. 

Not necessarily.

Lady Melisandre met Arya.  Said they'd meet again (also, notice the "eyes you'll shut forever"...).  So could be a long way of developing characters for some storyline we don't know about yet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAyCpREHf6k

Maybe the Red God wanted to manipulate things so that The Bolton's were drawn out of Winterfell and Sansa had a chance to escape. Maybe the Bolton's flags burning is what happens after Sansa unites the north and convinces her allies (lead by the Eyerie) to take back Winterfell.

It's possible that Melisandre knew this all along, or she was played by the Red God.

[Celtics4ever]

I believe John Snow to be Azor Ahai, the prince that was promised.  He has to die to be reborn.