A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)

[BASS_THUMPER]

Tonight

What yall thinking. ..

Im like dang..smh

[LarBrd33]

Spoilers

Weak episode. 

There's no reason for the red woman to be there if not to deal with Jon snow.  We will some lord of light action early next season.   There's no way that's the end of that.   I think kit is under contract for two more season.

Also that entire scene was telegraphed for weeks... And after the scene with the white walkers, it defies logic.  There were thousands of witnesses that jon snow made the right call there. They'd have to be entirely thick not to be on board with the "end of the world" narrative.  Bad writing.  Frustrating episode.  3 out of 10 stars.

[LarBrd33]

Nice take on Reddit:  "The bonus here is that a Night's Watch vow is until death. He dies, gets resurrected, and is free from his vows - able to head off and kick ass, save family, conquer kingdoms, get married, and all that other stuff with a free conscience"

[Eddie20]

Nice take on Reddit:  "The bonus here is that a Night's Watch vow is until death. He dies, gets resurrected, and is free from his vows - able to head off and kick ass, save family, conquer kingdoms, get married, and all that other stuff with a free conscience"

Yeah, maybe not.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview

[ederson]

Also that entire scene was telegraphed for weeks... And after the scene with the white walkers, it defies logic.  There were thousands of witnesses that jon snow made the right call there. They'd have to be entirely thick not to be on board with the "end of the world" narrative.  Bad writing.  Frustrating episode.  3 out of 10 stars.

The thing is that they are entirely thick. They `ve shown that in numerous occassions. It doesn`t matter what calls Snow makes.. They hate him.
And Olly is a kid whose parents were killed by the same (literaly) persons Snow is trying to save. You can`t reason to that.

Nice take on Reddit:  "The bonus here is that a Night's Watch vow is until death. He dies, gets resurrected, and is free from his vows - able to head off and kick ass, save family, conquer kingdoms, get married, and all that other stuff with a free conscience"

Yeah, maybe not.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview

On the other hand Martin is not very clear at least as far as the book is concerned

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: So why did you kill Jon Snow?
GEORGE R.R. MARTIN: Oh, you think he’s dead, do you

?

http://www.ew.com/article/2011/07/21/dance-with-dragons-shocking-twist-g

I hope he somehow survives. We are running out of good-likeable characters in the show.

[rickyfan3.0...]

Jon Snow is alive obviously. He is a Targaraen and has to head one of the 3 dragons with Tyrion (who is also Targaraen) and Dany.

Stannis is alive too I'm guessing... think he's the next leader of the Night's Watch.

[ederson]

How come Snow is a Targaryen
IMHO he is more baratheon than targaryen

[Moranis]

This is where changing things for the show gets into a strange illogical point.  Jon is obviously the big one, i.e. with knowing about Hardholmme it is a lot less logical for the brothers to act the way they did.  Made a lot more sense in the book since Hardholmme never happened.

Dany is fully healthy and yet can't hear an entire army of horsemen coming.  I mean come on.  In the books where she is sick and delirious it makes a lot more sense. 

Apparently the Shireen death scene happens in book 6, yet it just felt strange.  And why would the red woman do all that only to leave Stannis.  In the books when they aren't with him it makes more sense (though the battle doesn't happen yet).  And I really missed Mance being in Winterfell like he is in the books. 

And it is weird not having the Greyjoy's around like they are in the books.  I don't even think Theon's father has died on the show yet.  Very strange. 

Myrcella is very much alive in the books, so perhaps there is some antidote and she doesn't die, but that seems like an odd way for the story to go, especially since Jamie isn't with her.

Some things being changed on the show make a lot more sense (like I didn't mind Brienne getting redemption on Stannis), but most of the changes made seriously negatively affected the writing. 

[Evantime34]

I'm curious if Jon is really dead. Some theories of him coming back are, he lives on as ghost, he is resurrected by Melisandre, he is Targaryan so he is brought back to life via the flames when they attempt to burn his body, or he turns into a white walker.

With Kit Harrington not being back next season on the show I think him living on as Ghost is the most likely.

After reading the 5th book I thought there was a chance that the stabs didn't kill Jon, but the show made it a lot less ambiguous.

I'm not sure what happens with Stannis in the book, since I'm pretty sure Lady Stoneheart stops Breinne and she won't be at that battle. I wouldn't be surprised if she decided not to kill him on the show too.

As a book reader, i'm really hoping that Martin gets his stuff together so that the book can come out before the next season of the show. If the show comes out first I will know what happens for most of the characters (minus a few changes) and it will be significantly less enjoyable.

[slamtheking]

I'm guessing the finale will show that Doran's got some schemes going on.  He's not entirely unlike his brother, he just uses different, more subtle means.  He is the Martell version of Tywin.

Probably will involve something happening to Myrcella on the way back to King's Landing.

honestly, I'd be a little surprised if something happened on the way back.  not enough suffering for Cerce.  I could see some foreshadowing of something happening to her once she's back to the city next year after her boytoy is on the small council and Cerce thinks her daughter is now safe.  something that can't be traced back to Doran

well, guessed wrong on that one

[slamtheking]

Love it!  TP

[slamtheking]

my take (fwiw)
- Jon Snow dies and is brought back by the red witch
- Sansa and Theon survive the jump
- Arya is only temporarily blind
- Cerce wreaks unbelievable vengeance next season.
- Stannis is still alive and captive of Brienne
- Dany's history with the Dothraki bode ill for her and the dragons don't necessarily help out
- Tyrion does a bang up job running Meereen
- Doran kills his sister for screwing with his plans.

[Celtics4ever]

These are fun to read.

[Kane3387]

What's up with the mountain? Is he like a zombie now or what?

[jpotter33]

Don't think there is any way that Jon dies. Lady Melissandre most likely brings him back.

I honestly wish there was just the show instead of the books, or at least that the show followed the books exactly. It just seems strange to me to diverge this much from the books.

Also, what the crap happened to Reek and Sansa?!