Von Wafer's Ball Handling Skills - II

[frank gibbons]

My first post on this mysteriously disappeared.

Von Wafer got stripped of the ball several games ago.  He always seems to have a tentative handle on the ball.  I can't think of a 1, 2, or 3 that has such limited ball handling skills.  Has anyone else noticed this shortcoming in Von Wafer?

[guava_wrench]

Reminded me of Ray Allen. Ray gets stripped a lot, despite being confident and aggressive. For all his great shooting, Ray could stand for some major improvement in dribbling and passing.

[Celtics18]

Reminded me of Ray Allen. Ray gets stripped a lot, despite being confident and aggressive. For all his great shooting, Ray could stand for some major improvement in dribbling and passing.

Currently, Ray's turnover rate is the lowest of his career and his assist to turnover ratio is at its highest at a very solid 2:1.

I, too, have had questions about Ray's ball handling in the past, but this season he's been very solid when he puts the ball on the floor.

[2short]

Wafers problem is he is thinking of how to get a shot off, this is before dribbling, catching the ball or playing defense.

[BballTim]

Reminded me of Ray Allen. Ray gets stripped a lot, despite being confident and aggressive. For all his great shooting, Ray could stand for some major improvement in dribbling and passing.

Currently, Ray's turnover rate is the lowest of his career and his assist to turnover ratio is at its highest at a very solid 2:1.

I, too, have had questions about Ray's ball handling in the past, but this season he's been very solid when he puts the ball on the floor.

  Every time Ray drives and passes or gets the ball in the open court on the break it's an adventure.

[snively]

My first post on this mysteriously disappeared.

Von Wafer got stripped of the ball several games ago.  He always seems to have a tentative handle on the ball.  I can't think of a 1, 2, or 3 that has such limited ball handling skills.  Has anyone else noticed this shortcoming in Von Wafer?

Wafer's handle is a lot like TA's.  Still a pretty effective slasher though, because of his first step and the threat of his J.

[Celtics18]

Reminded me of Ray Allen. Ray gets stripped a lot, despite being confident and aggressive. For all his great shooting, Ray could stand for some major improvement in dribbling and passing.

Currently, Ray's turnover rate is the lowest of his career and his assist to turnover ratio is at its highest at a very solid 2:1.

I, too, have had questions about Ray's ball handling in the past, but this season he's been very solid when he puts the ball on the floor.

  Every time Ray drives and passes or gets the ball in the open court on the break it's an adventure.

More often than not this season, the adventure has had a positive ending.

[BballTim]

Reminded me of Ray Allen. Ray gets stripped a lot, despite being confident and aggressive. For all his great shooting, Ray could stand for some major improvement in dribbling and passing.

Currently, Ray's turnover rate is the lowest of his career and his assist to turnover ratio is at its highest at a very solid 2:1.

I, too, have had questions about Ray's ball handling in the past, but this season he's been very solid when he puts the ball on the floor.

  Every time Ray drives and passes or gets the ball in the open court on the break it's an adventure.

More often than not this season, the adventure has had a positive ending.

  More often than not the adventure had a positive ending when Tony Allen did those things. We need a slightly higher bar.

[Celtics18]

Reminded me of Ray Allen. Ray gets stripped a lot, despite being confident and aggressive. For all his great shooting, Ray could stand for some major improvement in dribbling and passing.

Currently, Ray's turnover rate is the lowest of his career and his assist to turnover ratio is at its highest at a very solid 2:1.

I, too, have had questions about Ray's ball handling in the past, but this season he's been very solid when he puts the ball on the floor.

  Every time Ray drives and passes or gets the ball in the open court on the break it's an adventure.

More often than not this season, the adventure has had a positive ending.

  More often than not the adventure had a positive ending when Tony Allen did those things. We need a slightly higher bar.

Where should we set it?

[guava_wrench]

Reminded me of Ray Allen. Ray gets stripped a lot, despite being confident and aggressive. For all his great shooting, Ray could stand for some major improvement in dribbling and passing.

Currently, Ray's turnover rate is the lowest of his career and his assist to turnover ratio is at its highest at a very solid 2:1.

I, too, have had questions about Ray's ball handling in the past, but this season he's been very solid when he puts the ball on the floor.

While I appreciate the stats, I'm not sure I agree with the interpretation. I will agree that our offense helps maximize his efficiency, but it would take a lot more tape review to discuss whether he has improved his effectiveness when dribbling into traffic or threading passes to facilitate.

[billysan]

Not sure how we ended up comparing Von Wafer to Ray Allen.   

I guess the similarity is that they are both SG who excell at 3pt shooting and are highly regarded as 'catch and shoot' players. Obviously Ray is much more highly regarded overall than Wafer because of his greater and more extensive skill set. This includes IMO a decent but not great handle and a proven better decision making process.

I dont see Von Wafer as being capable of running an offense as a facilitator, but I think Ray Allen is highly capable in this regard. I think Ray will make the right choice to shoot, dribble, or pass much more often than Wafer. This is in no way meaning I think Ray is able to play PG. I think Ray get's himself in position to score a lot more successfully than Wafer as well.

[Celtics18]

Reminded me of Ray Allen. Ray gets stripped a lot, despite being confident and aggressive. For all his great shooting, Ray could stand for some major improvement in dribbling and passing.

Currently, Ray's turnover rate is the lowest of his career and his assist to turnover ratio is at its highest at a very solid 2:1.

I, too, have had questions about Ray's ball handling in the past, but this season he's been very solid when he puts the ball on the floor.

While I appreciate the stats, I'm not sure I agree with the interpretation. I will agree that our offense helps maximize his efficiency, but it would take a lot more tape review to discuss whether he has improved his effectiveness when dribbling into traffic or threading passes to facilitate.

One of the things that I've noticed is that Ray is put in the role of facilitator with much less frequency this season.  Having Nate from the start of the season and a healthy Marquis has contributed to not having to play Ray as the primary ball handler too much.

This, I think, has really helped Ray's overall game.  Now when he drives, it's generally off a catch with a defender rushing at him.  This makes it easier for him. In these situations he's shown me that he's a good finisher who can make the needed pass when the defense scrambles.

So, maybe in a way I'm agreeing with you guys.  I don't think Ray's a great ball handler, but the personnel is more suited to him not having to be, and Doc is not putting him into positions he shouldn't be in. 

How many ball handlers do we need after all?

Back to the original post.  I guess I could see how Von Wafer could be a poor man's (bankrupt or destitute are probably better word choices) Ray Allen.   

[snively]

Wafer really passed the ball well tonight.  His defense remains more effort than results, but he's earning minutes. 

[Celtics18]

Well, Von had 4 assists with only 1 turnover in tonight's game.  Ray, meanwhile, had 1 assist with 3 turnovers.

I think this might prove that Von Wafer is a much better ball handler. He may even be our point guard of the future.

[Edgar]

My first post on this mysteriously disappeared.

Von Wafer got stripped of the ball several games ago.  He always seems to have a tentative handle on the ball.  I can't think of a 1, 2, or 3 that has such limited ball handling skills.  Has anyone else noticed this shortcoming in Von Wafer?

Wafer's handle is a lot like TA's.  Still a pretty effective slasher though, because of his first step and the threat of his J.

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