Thorpe says Mike and Tommy are not "informed"

[Birdbrain]

Never heard of thorpe - but anyone who likes the Heat announcers (Eric reed and Tony Fiorentino) - last night's game a perfect example with repeatedly bringing up what a "hardship" it was for the Heat to play their 1st home game after a "long road trip" - has no taste. Eric continuously pronounced Belinelli's name as "Belly Nelly", and the signature "kaboom" when a Heat player hits a jumper is just dumb. And "Coach Tony" is the poster child for pointing out the obvious...

And Bill Land of the Spurs?

Ouch.

I believe and this is just my assumption but, the heat announcers were actually pronouncing his name accurately last night while everyone else has been pronouncing it inaccurately since he's been in the league.  Basically everyone else has been sounding out ' American Style '.  I believe the color analyst is a close friend of his and the reason they know the correct pronunciation.  I'm not on board with this Thorpe joker and his interpretation of Tommy and Mike as I posted previously but, I do actually like the Heat announcers.  They give the C's team a lot of ' love ' during their broadcasts.  Tommy again forgot more than Thorpe will could ever dream to know.  Or shall I say informed concerning.

[Fafnir]

Why would you make the assumption that the color announcer is a friend of Belinellis's?

[nba is the worst]

I am a lifelong Celtics fan who honestly does not enjoy listening to Tommy. I love the guy, but his endless complaining about the officiating nauseates me. Half the time or more the officials have made the right call, but Tommy's bias does not allow him to see that. I actually love the stories he tells, his rapport with Mike, and most of the other stuff he does, but the constant criticism of the officiating is annoying.

I find it funny and entertaining, especially when Mike just... is... silent.

It's all about how you choose to look at it.

I love watching the Celtics on league pass and I'm always disappointed when it's the other team's announcers calling the game. The homerism from Tommy is excessive to a fault, as is the ref commentary, just part of the charm right along with his voice and delivery - (I always imagine Fred Flintstone)...

But compared to the dumb things Mark Jackson AND Announcer Van Gundy have to say on a regular basis, give me Tommy any day as far as NBA knowledge goes!

[Birdbrain]

Why would you make the assumption that the color announcer is a friend of Belinellis's?

I believe they mentioned him being a close friend on telecast because he may have coached in Italy.  I was only kind of half listening while putting up my Christmas lights.

[Chris]

It sounds like he didn't call them both out by name, so I am not sure he really meant to lump Mike and Tommy together.

As far as Tommy goes, I agree completely.  He is a total homer, and has lost touch with today's NBA.  I still love him, but he has become a charicature of himself, and while he is entertaining, he would be lucky if half of what he says is accurate.

Mike on the other hand is still one of the best in the game, and isn't nearly the homer Tommy is.  Mike does the research, that Tommy hasn't seemed like he has done in 20 years. 

My guess is Thorpe (who puts no thought into these responses) either didn't mean to lump them in together, or in his limited experience watching them, he has been so bowled over by Tommy, he hasn't had a chance to realize Mike's brilliance.

[cavman]

Yup Tommy, who won rings as a coach and as a player is less informed than the Thorpedo. Makes perfect sense.

Hahaha.  Exactly what I was thinking when I read it.  Tommy point to you, sir.

I'm not too informed on Thorpe.  But maybe he means Tommy isn't prepared, isn't doing his homework on the opponent.  That could be legit.
Johnny Most certainly was "biased", but was still a great personality who made you feel like you were there.  Guys are right, when you're the local guy "biased" is okay.  Tommy used to be criticized when he was national for being 'biased' against the Celts, as he consciously tried not to be a homer.  My, that was a long time ago.

[Birdbrain]

No I've read Thorpe before he actually thinks he knows what he's talking about so I assume he meant both.  

It is interesting though the way that some Boston fans see Tommy.  Everyone knows he's a homer that's not very Earth shattering but, the more interesting part to me is some of your takes on his knowledge.  Very interesting.

[Birdbrain]

Yup Tommy, who won rings as a coach and as a player is less informed than the Thorpedo. Makes perfect sense.

Hahaha.  Exactly what I was thinking when I read it.  Tommy point to you, sir.

I'm not too informed on Thorpe.  But maybe he means Tommy isn't prepared, isn't doing his homework on the opponent.  That could be legit.
Johnny Most certainly was "biased", but was still a great personality who made you feel like you were there.  Guys are right, when you're the local guy "biased" is okay.  Tommy used to be criticized when he was national for being 'biased' against the Celts, as he consciously tried not to be a homer.  My, that was a long time ago.

Tommy was just as much of homer back in his CBS days as he is today and I loved every second of it. 

[Chris]

No I've read Thorpe before he actually thinks he knows what he's talking about so I assume he meant both.  

It is interesting though the way that some Boston fans see Tommy.  Everyone knows he's a homer that's not very Earth shattering but, the more interesting part to me is some of your takes on his knowledge.  Very interesting.

I have read a ton of Thorpe's chats.  He tries to get in as many questions as possible, and rather than actually explaining what he means, he always makes broad statements like that, when they aren't what he really means.  He doesn't take the time to explain himself, so he just puts out a nice soundbite.

As for Tommy, I think he is incredibly knowledgeable about the game in general.  I just don't think he is truly in touch with everything from today.  I never get the feeling that he goes home and watches other basketball games.  His knowledge of the current NBA seems to be confined to what he sees on the court in Celtics games, other than the occasional thing he gets from Sportscenter. 

[Eja117]

It sounds like he didn't call them both out by name, so I am not sure he really meant to lump Mike and Tommy together.

As far as Tommy goes, I agree completely.  He is a total homer, and has lost touch with today's NBA.  I still love him, but he has become a charicature of himself, and while he is entertaining, he would be lucky if half of what he says is accurate.

Mike on the other hand is still one of the best in the game, and isn't nearly the homer Tommy is.  Mike does the research, that Tommy hasn't seemed like he has done in 20 years. 

My guess is Thorpe (who puts no thought into these responses) either didn't mean to lump them in together, or in his limited experience watching them, he has been so bowled over by Tommy, he hasn't had a chance to realize Mike's brilliance.

But being a homer doesn't mean you're misinformed.   And all of espn is a homer for whatever team Lebron, Manning, Jeter, and Favre are on, but he doesn't call them out, now does he?

There are definitely things that would never cross Tommy's mind, like how selfish and self-absorbed some players are......Tommy was probably the last human being to understand what happened down in South Beach and is probably still processing it.   I guess he's just not informed about that stuff.

He's probably poorly informed about the kinds of garbage that goes on in a Calipari team and with AAU coaches that deal with Calipari.

I am very very glad Tommy is not informed on that stuff.

[Birdbrain]

No I've read Thorpe before he actually thinks he knows what he's talking about so I assume he meant both.  

It is interesting though the way that some Boston fans see Tommy.  Everyone knows he's a homer that's not very Earth shattering but, the more interesting part to me is some of your takes on his knowledge.  Very interesting.

I have read a ton of Thorpe's chats.  He tries to get in as many questions as possible, and rather than actually explaining what he means, he always makes broad statements like that, when they aren't what he really means.  He doesn't take the time to explain himself, so he just puts out a nice soundbite.

As for Tommy, I think he is incredibly knowledgeable about the game in general.  I just don't think he is truly in touch with everything from today.  I never get the feeling that he goes home and watches other basketball games.  His knowledge of the current NBA seems to be confined to what he sees on the court in Celtics games, other than the occasional thing he gets from Sportscenter. 

Right but that doesn't really matter to me because what he sees on the court is enough IMO to determine who is good and who is not good.  That's the difference between him and someone say like Thorpe.  That's also the disconnect between those that think knowing someone's stats are important in determining someone's overall skill as opposed to actually watching them play and then determining their overall skill via your knowledge.

[Birdbrain]

It sounds like he didn't call them both out by name, so I am not sure he really meant to lump Mike and Tommy together.

As far as Tommy goes, I agree completely.  He is a total homer, and has lost touch with today's NBA.  I still love him, but he has become a charicature of himself, and while he is entertaining, he would be lucky if half of what he says is accurate.

Mike on the other hand is still one of the best in the game, and isn't nearly the homer Tommy is.  Mike does the research, that Tommy hasn't seemed like he has done in 20 years. 

My guess is Thorpe (who puts no thought into these responses) either didn't mean to lump them in together, or in his limited experience watching them, he has been so bowled over by Tommy, he hasn't had a chance to realize Mike's brilliance.

But being a homer doesn't mean you're misinformed.   And all of espn is a homer for whatever team Lebron, Manning, Jeter, and Favre are on, but he doesn't call them out, now does he?

There are definitely things that would never cross Tommy's mind, like how selfish and self-absorbed some players are......Tommy was probably the last human being to understand what happened down in South Beach and is probably still processing it.   I guess he's just not informed about that stuff.

He's probably poorly informed about the kinds of garbage that goes on in a Calipari team and with AAU coaches that deal with Calipari.

I am very very glad Tommy is not informed on that stuff.

I actually wish I was less informed with regards to those things.  : (

[Chris]

No I've read Thorpe before he actually thinks he knows what he's talking about so I assume he meant both.  

It is interesting though the way that some Boston fans see Tommy.  Everyone knows he's a homer that's not very Earth shattering but, the more interesting part to me is some of your takes on his knowledge.  Very interesting.

I have read a ton of Thorpe's chats.  He tries to get in as many questions as possible, and rather than actually explaining what he means, he always makes broad statements like that, when they aren't what he really means.  He doesn't take the time to explain himself, so he just puts out a nice soundbite.

As for Tommy, I think he is incredibly knowledgeable about the game in general.  I just don't think he is truly in touch with everything from today.  I never get the feeling that he goes home and watches other basketball games.  His knowledge of the current NBA seems to be confined to what he sees on the court in Celtics games, other than the occasional thing he gets from Sportscenter. 

Right but that doesn't really matter to me because what he sees on the court is enough IMO to determine who is good and who is not good.  That's the difference between him and someone say like Thorpe.  That's also the disconnect between those that think knowing someone's stats are important in determining someone's overall skill as opposed to actually watching them play and then determining their overall skill via your knowledge.

Thorpe is not a stats guy.  He bases his (terrible) opinions of players on what gym they work out in over the summer.

But as for his statement about the C's TV guys, he is absolutely right when talking about Tommy.  He is a complete homer, and he is not all that informed. 

He never said they aren't good evaluators of talent, or analyzers of the game in front of them (other than the biased part), just that they are not very informed.

In other words, you are not going to hear Tommy give a detailed breakdown of how Brandon Jennings has been playing over the last 5 games, and there is a good chance he is not going to know the story about Brandon Roy's knee problems this year, and that his minutes have been limited in order to try to allow him to be more effective.

[mmbaby]

When I have to listen to other announcers as I'm watching Celtics games, it takes away from the whole experience; a part of the enjoyment is replaced by irritation at the things the other announcers are saying and I want to tell them just to shut the *** up! I'd like to listen to Tommy and Mike each and every game. 

[Birdbrain]

No I've read Thorpe before he actually thinks he knows what he's talking about so I assume he meant both.  

It is interesting though the way that some Boston fans see Tommy.  Everyone knows he's a homer that's not very Earth shattering but, the more interesting part to me is some of your takes on his knowledge.  Very interesting.

I have read a ton of Thorpe's chats.  He tries to get in as many questions as possible, and rather than actually explaining what he means, he always makes broad statements like that, when they aren't what he really means.  He doesn't take the time to explain himself, so he just puts out a nice soundbite.

As for Tommy, I think he is incredibly knowledgeable about the game in general.  I just don't think he is truly in touch with everything from today.  I never get the feeling that he goes home and watches other basketball games.  His knowledge of the current NBA seems to be confined to what he sees on the court in Celtics games, other than the occasional thing he gets from Sportscenter. 

Right but that doesn't really matter to me because what he sees on the court is enough IMO to determine who is good and who is not good.  That's the difference between him and someone say like Thorpe.  That's also the disconnect between those that think knowing someone's stats are important in determining someone's overall skill as opposed to actually watching them play and then determining their overall skill via your knowledge.

Thorpe is not a stats guy.  He bases his (terrible) opinions of players on what gym they work out in over the summer.

But as for his statement about the C's TV guys, he is absolutely right when talking about Tommy.  He is a complete homer, and he is not all that informed. 

He never said they aren't good evaluators of talent, or analyzers of the game in front of them (other than the biased part), just that they are not very informed.

In other words, you are not going to hear Tommy give a detailed breakdown of how Brandon Jennings has been playing over the last 5 games, and there is a good chance he is not going to know the story about Brandon Roy's knee problems this year, and that his minutes have been limited in order to try to allow him to be more effective.

That's your interpretation of not being informed means mine is that he specifically meant informed about the NBA and that to me means who's really good and who isn't.  I don't really care what Brandon Jennings did his last 5 games and don't consider that being informed.  I guess the disconnect between you and I and Tommy and Thorpe is what we considered informed.  The fact that he didn't elaborate on what he meant (not that I would care anyway since I've read his take on other players and think he's uninformed) means it's up for interpretation and when you knock a Legend while being a nothing more than gnat in the grand scheme of things you better be very detailed in your comments.