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Re: lol@ the heats big accomplishment.
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2010, 08:32:31 AM »

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Re: lol@ the heats big accomplishment.
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2010, 10:59:24 AM »

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You can say what you will about the Heat sitiuation.

1. Charles Barkley was right (WHAT?) they are playing alot faster now than they were early'er and its paying off for them
2. They are still very lost in the half court, running mostly isolation plays, though they do run abit though their pointguard but its not enough.
3. They are still a above avarage defensive team except inside the paint.

That all comes down to the same thing in the end, they still wont win the playoffs by running and gunning and playing without size, if they do manage to take a series against the Bulls/Magic/Celtics then i'll gladly eat my words.

Nothing has changed, still the same team with the same flaws as we saw when we played against them and you can gameplan against their transition game.

Well - they're doing this right now all without Mike Miller/Haslem, who they will have for the playoffs. The Heat's point differential is a huge indicator of how they will play down the road, IMO.

Some interesting notes: Z's opponent's PER: 14.5, Bosh's - about 13 between the C/PF position, Joel Anthony - 13.3, Dampier's - 11.2...

Basically, the Heat's inside defense has actually been pretty good...above average at the very least.

Re: lol@ the heats big accomplishment.
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2010, 11:01:59 AM »

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Then the Heat are formed this season, and they don't face nearly as many doubters as we did. MVP's, best record, championships. You name it, everything is thrown their way. What hardships the Celtics would face back in 2007 would not stop this team, despite the Celtics being a smarter, more complimentary trio. The C's had (and still have) a far superior PG/C combo, much better bench, and excellent coaching staff.

Can you find me a bunch of sources who picked a Heat player to win MVP? And you're forgetting - the C's Big 3, when they arrived to Boston, was past their prime and not nearly as good as the Heat Big 3 in it's prime. I can understand why many analysts would be swayed by that.

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« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2010, 12:58:16 PM »

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I did loll'ar a little bit at MArk Jackson gushing about how they are finally on a roll and all the problems are coming to an end as they beat up on an absolutely awful golden state team sans steph curry.
I believe the qoute was something like

"when you have a few bad games, you can forget how good you are. Games like this will go a long way for preparing them for Boston and Orlando"

uhhhh what? Golden state is tuuurrable,  assure you MJ, we will not be playing man and getting beat up the floor on a made basket, nor playing the matador defense that most of the GS players engage in.



I think we all agree they are a better team but this winning streak thats being touted as them turning it around and "getting it together" is against:

Washington
Detroit
Clev
ATL
Milwaukee
Utah
Golden state

The utah win is a quality one, but outside of that....WEEEEEEEE!

they beat the stuffing out of 4 awful teams (washington, detroit, clev, goldenstate) two "meh" teams (ATL & milwaukee) and one contender in Utah.

Wake me up when they start playing well against the teams they'll see in the later rounds of the playoffs

They still have two superstars who cannot really shoot reliably when the game devolves into a halfcourt battle and no front court size.

It's not surprising to me that they can run teams out of the gym, but against teams like us, orlando, the lakers, san antionio and others that plug the middle and dont try to get into an alley-opp running battle with lebron and dwade I'm less than convinced thier problems are solved by this streak.

I still have the exact same questions i had before thier schedule got easier.
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Re: lol@ the heats big accomplishment.
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2010, 01:16:13 PM »

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Lots of marketing spent on these lads, the league has to spin it someway.  Mark Jackson says whatever David Stern tells him to say, he is a horrible analyst.

Who cares about Miller and Haslem coming back?   They are still vulnerable to any team with decent bigs.   I liked our chances before and I like them even better now.  They have the most over rated player on the planet and they played only one decent team in that whole stretch in Utah.  They should beat those teams I'd expect it. 

Wade is the guy carrying them more than James lately in terms of scoing during this win streak.  This is no surprise because the less James is dribbling and doing nothing the more dangerous they will be.

If we are healthy they don't have a chance come the playoffs.   We will break them and crush them.  Their little roll is going to go off the tracks.

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« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2010, 01:59:22 PM »

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I could only watch half of the game versus Golden State. First, the Sports guy was terrible, and second, the ongoing gushing about the Heat was making me ill. They did ask the Sports Guy about the Celtics once, but he never answered.

As for the heat, Haslem might not see the court again this season, including the playoffs. The current Heat big men are laughable and they have been exposed twice against the Celtics. Dampier is terrible, Joel Anthony is awful and Howard is slow and done.

I agree with those posters laughing at this winning streak. They have played a pretty weak schedule so far, and I believe they still only have 3 wins against teams with a .500 or better record.

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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2010, 03:17:33 PM »

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They still have two superstars who cannot really shoot reliably when the game devolves into a halfcourt battle and no front court size.

Meh, considering that those very same wins were not a gimme for last year's Celtics, I think you're selling the Heat a bit short. It's not like they're eeking out these wins either. The team also blew out Orlando earlier in the year.

Between Dampier/Z/Bosh - I'm not sure that anyone can say that they have no front court size. Joel Anthony is, what, their 3rd - 4th big off the bench? It's their weakest point - but it's certainly an average at least frontcourt. Considering their strengths everywhere else, it's certainly a formidable team.

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« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2010, 04:49:58 PM »

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They still have two superstars who cannot really shoot reliably when the game devolves into a halfcourt battle and no front court size.

Meh, considering that those very same wins were not a gimme for last year's Celtics, I think you're selling the Heat a bit short. It's not like they're eeking out these wins either. The team also blew out Orlando earlier in the year.

Between Dampier/Z/Bosh - I'm not sure that anyone can say that they have no front court size. Joel Anthony is, what, their 3rd - 4th big off the bench? It's their weakest point - but it's certainly an average at least frontcourt. Considering their strengths everywhere else, it's certainly a formidable team.

You really consdier pierce and allen to be the same level of shooter over the top as wade and lebron?

wade and pierce....mabey. but lebron is awful when you make him a jump shooter.

2 slashers and a finesse power forward < a great shooter spot up and off screens, a slasher, and a defensive minded finess PF

Miami's problem is there two superstars have nearly the exact same skill set.
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« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2010, 05:50:57 PM »

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Then the Heat are formed this season, and they don't face nearly as many doubters as we did. MVP's, best record, championships. You name it, everything is thrown their way. What hardships the Celtics would face back in 2007 would not stop this team, despite the Celtics being a smarter, more complimentary trio. The C's had (and still have) a far superior PG/C combo, much better bench, and excellent coaching staff.

Can you find me a bunch of sources who picked a Heat player to win MVP? And you're forgetting - the C's Big 3, when they arrived to Boston, was past their prime and not nearly as good as the Heat Big 3 in it's prime. I can understand why many analysts would be swayed by that.

  The big three certainly weren't past their primes when they came together. PP was 30, and KG (31) was an MVP candidate in the 07-08 season.

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« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2010, 05:58:38 PM »

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You can say what you will about the Heat sitiuation.

1. Charles Barkley was right (WHAT?) they are playing alot faster now than they were early'er and its paying off for them
2. They are still very lost in the half court, running mostly isolation plays, though they do run abit though their pointguard but its not enough.
3. They are still a above avarage defensive team except inside the paint.

That all comes down to the same thing in the end, they still wont win the playoffs by running and gunning and playing without size, if they do manage to take a series against the Bulls/Magic/Celtics then i'll gladly eat my words.

Nothing has changed, still the same team with the same flaws as we saw when we played against them and you can gameplan against their transition game.

Well - they're doing this right now all without Mike Miller/Haslem, who they will have for the playoffs. The Heat's point differential is a huge indicator of how they will play down the road, IMO.


  Most of Miller's minutes will come from Jones and Arroyo, who atre hitting 46% and 52% on threes. I don't know how much of an improvement Miller will be.

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« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2010, 06:46:47 PM »

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  Most of Miller's minutes will come from Jones and Arroyo, who atre hitting 46% and 52% on threes. I don't know how much of an improvement Miller will be.

Mike Miller can do much more on the basketball court than Jones/Arroyo combined.

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« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2010, 07:54:22 PM »

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  Most of Miller's minutes will come from Jones and Arroyo, who atre hitting 46% and 52% on threes. I don't know how much of an improvement Miller will be.

Mike Miller can do much more on the basketball court than Jones/Arroyo combined.

  That might be somewhat of value if he's on the court without Wade and James.