Jordan chimes in on "What Should I Do"

[Assassin70]

Great fan made video.

BTW.  As far a Basketball careers  I can only think of one player who career accomplishments trump or equal Jordan's and that player is Bill Russell.

Other then Mr. Russell I can see a case being made about another player being better then Jordan.

[Celtics4ever]

Bball Tim, your right about Bird averaged 6.3 a game to Jordan's 5.3, my bad all, sorry.

I disagree with you that Jordan would not have lost a finals should he got there.  He has more will to win than James.  He would have never got swept though like LeBron.

Quitting to follow a dream is quite different than quitting on your team.  As for quitting on one's wife, who cares, Bball Tim?  That is a pretty weak example - we don't know the circumstances.  

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2006-12-29-jordan-divorce_x.htm

Hmm, Bbtall sure sounds like mutual consent to me.  Like two people quitting not one.  Since when does one's marriage relate to playing basketball.  How do you know James family didn't want him to stay in Ohio.  

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/lebron_james_will_choose_miami.html

Hmm, sure seems like he quit on his family. Not that it matters, its pretty inane argument to judge someone's on court tenacity from their marriage or family relationships, I hope you can see that now.  I mean Russell got divorced, is he a quitter.   Bird gave up on a child out of wedlock and he was not a quitter.  

Truth we don't know how Jordan would quit on his team in a losing situation because he rarely got there because of his will to win.  I know against us in a losing situation he once scored 63 points.  I don't recall James ever doing that.

Jordan was averaging 31.5 PPG in his seventh year on .539 FG%.  James is averaging 23.6 PPG a game on .455% FG.  Jordan would actually beat up his teamates if they were dogging it or playing poorly.

Jordan is a winner and LeBron is a loser.  How is MIA doing this year?  As of right now they are 8-7 for a .53 winning percentage.  

Jordan once said:
"I want to prove the critics wrong...I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven't seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious attitudes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it's been more or less a joking thing, sort of a 'Well, we're here, so let's have a good time.'"..........

James is proving the critics right.....

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I don't really like MJ, but, like Kobe, who I also can't stand, he was a great player who put in the work that greatness requires and didn't ride on his talent alone, which was enough by itself to make him a star (but not a champion).  Lebron could learn a lot from both MJ and Kobe.

Kobe is not in the same category as MJ, it´s not even close.
He was riding Shaq´s coattail to three championships, which is the only reason why people put these two in the same sentence.

In those 3 seasons and playoffs when he was "riding Shaq's coattail," he averaged over 20 points, to go along with around 5 rebs and 5 assts.  MJ scored a few more points and grabbed an extra rebound in his title years, but I'd say the comparison is valid, and that it is absolutely false that Kobe was riding coattails to 3 titles.  20/5/5 is pretty solid.

[Finkelskyhook]

I don't really like MJ, but, like Kobe, who I also can't stand, he was a great player who put in the work that greatness requires and didn't ride on his talent alone, which was enough by itself to make him a star (but not a champion).  Lebron could learn a lot from both MJ and Kobe.

Kobe is not in the same category as MJ, it´s not even close.
He was riding Shaq´s coattail to three championships, which is the only reason why people put these two in the same sentence.

If you're going to say that Kobe was riding Shaq's coattails,  then you'd have to say Jordan rode Pippen's.  Kobe has won championships without Shaq.  Jordan never did without Pippen.

The messiah will always only compare with the two above on talent.  But the messiah is more consumed with promoting himself than winning.

[Redz]

why does Michael Jordan have to say
"maybe you're just making excuses" ?
who's making excuses, Michael ?

Wilt was the best ever, not Michael.

I don't even care that you don't think MJ's the best ever.

I just want you to educate me on how Wilt allegedly being better than MJ means that MJ's the one making excuses. Making excuses about what, exactly? 

I think in the context of the original MJ ad, he was talking to the viewer/consumer not making excuses for failing to achieve his/her goals.  What MJ's saying is "if you wanna be like Mike, you need to work like Mike". As in Nike's "JUST DO IT".

[nba is the worst]

I applaud the editor of the two videos for making a clever statement.

And for the GOAT discussion - I have always found it funny and fascinating how people are SO interested in discussing, arguing about, and "proving" what  NBA player (and for that matter musician, politician, restaurant, etc) is "best".

Comparing across era's makes meaningful comparisons impossible IMO - but it's clear that for those who feel winning is the best measure, Russell was the best of his time (not Wilt), and MJ the same.

If individual stats matter most, then Wilt has a strong case.

Etc, etc...

[Spilling Green Dye]

I don't really like MJ, but, like Kobe, who I also can't stand, he was a great player who put in the work that greatness requires and didn't ride on his talent alone, which was enough by itself to make him a star (but not a champion).  Lebron could learn a lot from both MJ and Kobe.

Kobe is not in the same category as MJ, it´s not even close.
He was riding Shaq´s coattail to three championships, which is the only reason why people put these two in the same sentence.

If you're going to say that Kobe was riding Shaq's coattails,  then you'd have to say Jordan rode Pippen's.  Kobe has won championships without Shaq.  Jordan never did without Pippen.

The messiah will always only compare with the two above on talent.  But the messiah is more consumed with promoting himself than winning.

What?!  During the 3 championships that they won with Shaq, Shaq was far and away the most productive player and best player on the team.  Kobe then needed the highly talented Pau Gasol to continue to win championships (he couldn't do it w/o Pau, which is logical).  I'd even say that during the 2010 nba finals Pau Gasol was the best player on the court.

Conversely, when the Bulls won their championships Jordan was definitely the best player on the court. 

Therefore, Kobe rode Shaq's coat tails during their 1st 3 championships, and Pippen rode Jordan's. 

[BballTim]

I disagree with you that Jordan would not have lost a finals should he got there.  He has more will to win than James.  He would have never got swept though like LeBron.

  Haha. So in the years Jordan's team got beat in the 1st or 2nd round he would have won in the finals? Seriously? That's pretty ridiculous. And Jordan's teams got swept *in the first round* in consecutive seasons. You're comparing a myth to a player.

Quitting to follow a dream is quite different than quitting on your team.  As for quitting on one's wife, who cares, Bball Tim?  That is a pretty weak example - we don't know the circumstances.  

  I don't have any idea what all of this family nonsense is about.

Truth we don't know how Jordan would quit on his team in a losing situation because he rarely got there because of his will to win.  I know against us in a losing situation he once scored 63 points.  I don't recall James ever doing that.

  I don't recall Jordan ever scoring his team's last 25 points in a playoff game, clearly because he had no will to win.

Jordan was averaging 31.5 PPG in his seventh year on .539 FG%.  James is averaging 23.6 PPG a game on .455% FG.

  How many years did Jordan ever play with scorers like Bosh and Wade? Who's to say he'd have adjusted his game to mesh with them?

  Last year, when LeBron was  in his 7th year he averaged 30/7/9/. That doesn't look that bad compared to MJ's 32/6/6 in his 7th year. Again, if you compare MJ to LBJ at the same point in their careers they don't look that different and their numbers and accomplishments are on roughly the same level. And, again, there's a big difference between looking at Jordan after he won those titles and how he was viewed before he won them.

[BballTim]

I don't really like MJ, but, like Kobe, who I also can't stand, he was a great player who put in the work that greatness requires and didn't ride on his talent alone, which was enough by itself to make him a star (but not a champion).  Lebron could learn a lot from both MJ and Kobe.

Kobe is not in the same category as MJ, it´s not even close.
He was riding Shaq´s coattail to three championships, which is the only reason why people put these two in the same sentence.

If you're going to say that Kobe was riding Shaq's coattails,  then you'd have to say Jordan rode Pippen's.  Kobe has won championships without Shaq.  Jordan never did without Pippen.

The messiah will always only compare with the two above on talent.  But the messiah is more consumed with promoting himself than winning.

  Because Pippin was the best player on those teams and led the Bulls to the titles?

[dark_lord]

that video is awesome! 

i got an easy answer for lbj and "what he should do"....just shut up and play. let your play talk for you (whether its good or bad).

[ManUp]

It's just two different commercials thrown together. I doubt MJ had anything to do with it being made. With that said it does look expertly done. Nice video.