Why Did Tony Allen Leave???

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I say it was a mix between him thinking he deserved a little more respect, derived from the effort and results of his play last year, and the lack of forethought or respect that the C's were willing to give him....basically, we wasted 3.5 mill on marquis danails to lose  TA.....because that was the diff...one more year, and another 3.5 mill....

  MD got 3.5 mill this year.....So, if we remembered the great D, the slashing, the GREAT D, and the GREAT D, which, of course is the MAIN thing that makes the Celtics great, and leads to great O.....We would have kept TA, he would be playing all of MD's minutes, take the tough D assignments...that Ray A has to do now...and we would be much better off..!

[housecall]

I think Tony's decisions were based more about the money than about some of the crap he sold the media...He had to sell something to the media otherthan more money being the main reason.How often does a player come out to the media and say im leaving for more money?They usually used the"better fit" excuse on a new team.

[Chris]

The real question is, Why did Tony pick Memphis?

If that was his only offer he should have signed with Boston for shorter years where he can continue to showcase himself as a playoff perimeter stopper. He might get lost in the shuffle in memphis and never get that big payday he thinks he deserves.

The problem is, I think this was his chance for the big payday.  He is 27 years old, and coming off his best season as a pro.  He also happened to be an offseason when owners were throwing around money even more than normal, before the well likely run dry on the new CBA.  Even when you don't take into account the injury risk, the simple risk of not being able to get more than Memphis was offering in a couple years based purely on market and performance was too high.

You are probably right but he should not be surprised about playing time. He should have known going in that he would not have an increased role on Memphis. He went where the most money was not where the most available playing time was. He cant be surprised now and he cant try to spin his departure from Boston as he was looking for a bigger role to get out of the shadows of the big 4.

Im not hating by the way...by all means he did the right thing for himself financially.

Edit: Woo Hoo! Im Bill Walton...sweet.

I agree that he should have known what to expect.  But he never was the smartest guy in the world.

I also am not convinced he didn't know the situation.  I think he may have known exactly what he was doing, but the money was too enticing.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Well, at least he won't get hurt there..! He has time to work on his odd shot.....and get more $$$....Easy money..!

[erisred]

Tony Allen's agent suckered both Tony Allen and Memphis.

That was my thought, too.

[erisred]

Well, at least he won't get hurt there..! He has time to work on his odd shot.....and get more $$$....Easy money..!

Oh, I suspect Tony will make great filler for a trade in the next year or two. Wallace will package his $4 million in with other assets in one of his trades. That seems like a Chris Wallace thing to do.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Trade M. Danials and Wafer for TA...neither is doing the D job we need..BBD shooting makes up for both those guys....TA can help BIG TIME VS Miami, lets shut them down ..!

[Fafnir]

Trade M. Danials and Wafer for TA...neither is doing the D job we need..BBD shooting makes up for both those guys....TA can help BIG TIME VS Miami, lets shut them down ..!

Given how poorly he's played in Memphis, and the solid performance by Marquis there is no need to trade for Tony Allen.

[vinnie]

Marquis has been good to very good off the bench for the Celts this year. And, he has not done a bad job at all defensively. Good luck to Tony and his DNP-CDs in Memphis.

[More Banners]

Let's think for a minute...let's say we had a history of questionable health/availability, and that in exactly one year the financial rules that guide decisions in our business are expected to be rewritten and are more than likely going to result in downward pressure on our earning capacity.

Yes, the extra year, and perhaps a bit more in the first two years, mean quite a bit, and are in themselves a good reason for a role player to change teams.  

If I were in TA's shoes, not knowing whether I'd even get a contract offer for the 3rd year at all if I only signed for two now, and not knowing how little that might be for under a new CBA, I'm jumping on that guaranteed 3.5 million extra right now and moving to Memphis.  It really isn't a tough call, especially if the team I've played for for six years and says they values my contributions so much won't bother to match it (small money in the big scope of NBA salaries).

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Let's think for a minute...let's say we had a history of questionable health/availability, and that in exactly one year the financial rules that guide decisions in our business are expected to be rewritten and are more than likely going to result in downward pressure on our earning capacity.

Yes, the extra year, and perhaps a bit more in the first two years, mean quite a bit, and are in themselves a good reason for a role player to change teams.  

If I were in TA's shoes, not knowing whether I'd even get a contract offer for the 3rd year at all if I only signed for two now, and not knowing how little that might be for under a new CBA, I'm jumping on that guaranteed 3.5 million extra right now and moving to Memphis.  It really isn't a tough call, especially if the team I've played for for six years and says they values my contributions so much won't bother to match it (small money in the big scope of NBA salaries).

for this post and on the other thread, it is nice to be able to talk sense with someone at last...tp for that. We are missing TA's game in a lot of ways, and the season is just starting. MD hasn't done much on D, and unless he can cover wade and lebron, he won't compare at all to TA, so what does it matter. i have seen md lose a lot of passes and finish weak, if at all, TA dropped some too, but his strong finishes were signs that he had MORE in the tank, more to give. the deal is, we got MD for TA..sort of....and in that light, we got stuck.

[MBunge]

we got MD for TA..sort of....and in that light, we got stuck.

If Boston had given TA what he wanted to stay, I don't think there's anyway they resign Nate and go out and get Delonte.  So, it was really TA vs MD+Nate or TA vs MD+DW.  Granted, Nate's gotten off to a poor start this season, but I'd still rather have either of those two than TA.

Mike

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Well, Nate was here anyway last year, maybe west i agree with....but it was because we lost TA, to get West, and West hasn't proven he'll do anything for us as of yet..MD....not enough...he has given some, but it doesn't compare to TA...put him on wade tonight, or lebron....ugh. So, west might help, and i HOPE he does, for sure...!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth #20]

TA did what anyone in the job market does, he took the job that offered the most money. I don't think this question required 3 question marks, pretty easy question to answer.

[More Banners]

Let's think for a minute...let's say we had a history of questionable health/availability, and that in exactly one year the financial rules that guide decisions in our business are expected to be rewritten and are more than likely going to result in downward pressure on our earning capacity.

Yes, the extra year, and perhaps a bit more in the first two years, mean quite a bit, and are in themselves a good reason for a role player to change teams.  

If I were in TA's shoes, not knowing whether I'd even get a contract offer for the 3rd year at all if I only signed for two now, and not knowing how little that might be for under a new CBA, I'm jumping on that guaranteed 3.5 million extra right now and moving to Memphis.  It really isn't a tough call, especially if the team I've played for for six years and says they values my contributions so much won't bother to match it (small money in the big scope of NBA salaries).

for this post and on the other thread, it is nice to be able to talk sense with someone at last...tp for that. We are missing TA's game in a lot of ways, and the season is just starting. MD hasn't done much on D, and unless he can cover wade and lebron, he won't compare at all to TA, so what does it matter. i have seen md lose a lot of passes and finish weak, if at all, TA dropped some too, but his strong finishes were signs that he had MORE in the tank, more to give. the deal is, we got MD for TA..sort of....and in that light, we got stuck.

Hey, thanks.

I do think, though, that TA was correct to take the extra guaranteed year/money in Memphis, and also that Danny was correct in not giving it to him. 

I also really like our guard situation with Nate, West, and Smokey Q.  If any of them had to play more than 20 minutes/night, even 24-30 in stretches due to [whatever], I wouldn't be too worried.  I didn't feel that way about TA.  If/when he played more than 15 minutes or so, it seemed his limitations (turnovers, inability to space floor with threat of jumper) had more of an impact than his positives (on-ball defense, energy/hustle).

TA's strong finishes had more to do with being a Chicago guy (growing up Jordan--jump/dunk) and having no range whatsoever than a sign of gas in the tank, IMO. 

I'm not really a TA fan..."casino tony" because we never knew what would happen..."tony turnover" because, well, we did know.  Our current guard lineup is much stronger overall.