No Rebounds; No Glory

[Fafnir]

Whose talking about total rebounds only?

You are. The Celtics are only 12th in rebounds per game if you don't adjust for pace.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortable_team_statistics/sortable2.html?cnf=1&prd=1

Rebounding totals when not adjusted for pace doesn't tell you how well a team rebounds. We're 6th in rebounding differential and 7th for rebounding rate.

[pearljammer10]

On a game that went OT and players played so many more minutes than usual, not one grabbed 10 or more rebounds from our team.  Just looking at the front line numbers.

JOneal           25mins   7rebs
PPierce          40mins   5rebs
KGarnett         38mins   8rebs
GDavis           33mins   4rebs
SErden           5mins    2rebs


-It is clear that KG is not the rebounder he once was and that’s understandable.
 
-As for PP, he is not the scorer he once was but he needs to rebound more.  I understand that on this particular game he was probably shadowing CDelfino in the perimeter taking PP away from rebounding position, but you would expect that playing 40mins he would have more than 5rebs to show for. I mean Rondo had 8rebs while shadowing what's his name...

-I was pleasantly surprised by JOneal  and Erden effort on the boards.

I hope we do better on the boards

  As of now KG's having his best rebounding season he's had since joining the Celts. And isn't this the kind of topic to bring up when we lose a game where we're outrebounded instead of a game where we outrebound our opponents and win? We're probably pretty close to the top of the league in rebounding thus far.

Ranking 12th is not exactly close to the top of the league in rebounding.However they aren't as bad as last year so far.

Ranking 12th out of 350+ NBA players isnt exactly close to the top of the league? I certainly beg to differ, and I would like to know how much closer to the top he could get? I mean really now....


Rebounding definitely isn't an issue so far. The biggest reason the bucks were getting their offensive rebounds is because of our poor pick and roll defense. JO or Baby would switch to guard Jennings, they would see Rondo was on Bogut, jack up a shot and Bogut could easily get in there for the tip in. I would much rather address the poor D on the pick and roll over our good start to rebounding.

[Fafnir]

On a game that went OT and players played so many more minutes than usual, not one grabbed 10 or more rebounds from our team.  Just looking at the front line numbers.

JOneal           25mins   7rebs
PPierce          40mins   5rebs
KGarnett         38mins   8rebs
GDavis           33mins   4rebs
SErden           5mins    2rebs


-It is clear that KG is not the rebounder he once was and that’s understandable.
 
-As for PP, he is not the scorer he once was but he needs to rebound more.  I understand that on this particular game he was probably shadowing CDelfino in the perimeter taking PP away from rebounding position, but you would expect that playing 40mins he would have more than 5rebs to show for. I mean Rondo had 8rebs while shadowing what's his name...

-I was pleasantly surprised by JOneal  and Erden effort on the boards.

I hope we do better on the boards

  As of now KG's having his best rebounding season he's had since joining the Celts. And isn't this the kind of topic to bring up when we lose a game where we're outrebounded instead of a game where we outrebound our opponents and win? We're probably pretty close to the top of the league in rebounding thus far.

Ranking 12th is not exactly close to the top of the league in rebounding.However they aren't as bad as last year so far.

Ranking 12th out of 350+ NBA players isnt exactly close to the top of the league? I certainly beg to differ, and I would like to know how much closer to the top he could get? I mean really now....

I believe he was talking about the Celtics as a team. KG actually is 16th in the NBA for rebounds per game and 14th in rebounding rate.

[clover]

The only guy you can fairly have a beef with on rebounds right now is Baby.  He's been scoring like crazy, but he's got to rebound too. JO is still struggling a bit, but he's fighting injuries and adjusting to a new team.  And you can't really fault Semih for 2 rebounds in 5 minutes: that's over 14 per 36 minutes.  But he's a rookie adjusting to a new language and a new league and has been fighting an injury as well.

PP and KG are off to good starts and a board or two difference in a single game isn't much to pin on them either.  The guy who's got to pick it up is Baby.

[nba is the worst]

How can you complain about rebounding in the Bucks game when the Celtics out-rebounded them? I don't really see how that makes any sense. Garnett's not the rebounder he once was, well obviously. He was averaging 13-14 a game in his prime years... Now hes 34 years old and hes still averaged 10 a game over the first five games this year.

Also, Pierce is having his best rebounding year in a long time and he is fifth at his position in rebounding currently. Rondo is second at his position with 6 a game. Plus the Celtics are in the top half of the NBA in rebounding so far this year and that is without playing 2 games with Shaq and not a lot of minutes from JO... So i'd say rebounding as of now is one of their lesser issues.

I would have made a thread along the lines of, No Turnovers, More Wins.

Again, Bucks outrebounded the Celtics 53-50:

http://www.nba.com/games/20101103/MILBOS/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021000058#nbaGIboxscore

[Fafnir]

How can you complain about rebounding in the Bucks game when the Celtics out-rebounded them? I don't really see how that makes any sense. Garnett's not the rebounder he once was, well obviously. He was averaging 13-14 a game in his prime years... Now hes 34 years old and hes still averaged 10 a game over the first five games this year.

Also, Pierce is having his best rebounding year in a long time and he is fifth at his position in rebounding currently. Rondo is second at his position with 6 a game. Plus the Celtics are in the top half of the NBA in rebounding so far this year and that is without playing 2 games with Shaq and not a lot of minutes from JO... So i'd say rebounding as of now is one of their lesser issues.

I would have made a thread along the lines of, No Turnovers, More Wins.

Again, Bucks outrebounded the Celtics 53-50:

http://www.nba.com/games/20101103/MILBOS/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021000058#nbaGIboxscore

Unless you look at several other game box scores. Most people don't think about team rebounds.

Team rebounds

Team rebounds are credited to a team that gains possession of the ball after any missed shot that is not cleared by a single player (i.e. deflected out of bounds after the shot, blocked out of bounds, etc.). A team rebound is never credited to any player, and is generally considered to be a formality, as according to the rules of basketball, every missed shot must be rebounded whether a single player controls the ball or not.

[nba is the worst]

How can you complain about rebounding in the Bucks game when the Celtics out-rebounded them? I don't really see how that makes any sense. Garnett's not the rebounder he once was, well obviously. He was averaging 13-14 a game in his prime years... Now hes 34 years old and hes still averaged 10 a game over the first five games this year.

Also, Pierce is having his best rebounding year in a long time and he is fifth at his position in rebounding currently. Rondo is second at his position with 6 a game. Plus the Celtics are in the top half of the NBA in rebounding so far this year and that is without playing 2 games with Shaq and not a lot of minutes from JO... So i'd say rebounding as of now is one of their lesser issues.

I would have made a thread along the lines of, No Turnovers, More Wins.

Again, Bucks outrebounded the Celtics 53-50:

http://www.nba.com/games/20101103/MILBOS/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021000058#nbaGIboxscore

Unless you look at several other game box scores. Most people don't think about team rebounds.

Team rebounds

Team rebounds are credited to a team that gains possession of the ball after any missed shot that is not cleared by a single player (i.e. deflected out of bounds after the shot, blocked out of bounds, etc.). A team rebound is never credited to any player, and is generally considered to be a formality, as according to the rules of basketball, every missed shot must be rebounded whether a single player controls the ball or not.

I would think nba.com is the definitive source (as opposed to "most people").

Do you know if the team rebounds aren't included in the season team rebounding stats?

[BballTim]

How can you complain about rebounding in the Bucks game when the Celtics out-rebounded them? I don't really see how that makes any sense. Garnett's not the rebounder he once was, well obviously. He was averaging 13-14 a game in his prime years... Now hes 34 years old and hes still averaged 10 a game over the first five games this year.

Also, Pierce is having his best rebounding year in a long time and he is fifth at his position in rebounding currently. Rondo is second at his position with 6 a game. Plus the Celtics are in the top half of the NBA in rebounding so far this year and that is without playing 2 games with Shaq and not a lot of minutes from JO... So i'd say rebounding as of now is one of their lesser issues.

I would have made a thread along the lines of, No Turnovers, More Wins.

Again, Bucks outrebounded the Celtics 53-50:

http://www.nba.com/games/20101103/MILBOS/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021000058#nbaGIboxscore

  Not really. It's more the case they retained possession after more shots because of things like balls going out of bounds after a shot or a foul is committed before anyone gains possessions. When JO blocked shots out of bounds, for instance, those were probably counted as Bucks rebounds. Team rebounds aren't rebounds, per se.

[Fafnir]

How can you complain about rebounding in the Bucks game when the Celtics out-rebounded them? I don't really see how that makes any sense. Garnett's not the rebounder he once was, well obviously. He was averaging 13-14 a game in his prime years... Now hes 34 years old and hes still averaged 10 a game over the first five games this year.

Also, Pierce is having his best rebounding year in a long time and he is fifth at his position in rebounding currently. Rondo is second at his position with 6 a game. Plus the Celtics are in the top half of the NBA in rebounding so far this year and that is without playing 2 games with Shaq and not a lot of minutes from JO... So i'd say rebounding as of now is one of their lesser issues.

I would have made a thread along the lines of, No Turnovers, More Wins.

Again, Bucks outrebounded the Celtics 53-50:

http://www.nba.com/games/20101103/MILBOS/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021000058#nbaGIboxscore

  Not really. It's more the case they retained possession after more shots because of things like balls going out of bounds after a shot or a foul is committed before anyone gains possessions. When JO blocked shots out of bounds, for instance, those were probably counted as Bucks rebounds. Team rebounds aren't rebounds, per se.

They do use them for calculating rebound rate.

[BballTim]

How can you complain about rebounding in the Bucks game when the Celtics out-rebounded them? I don't really see how that makes any sense. Garnett's not the rebounder he once was, well obviously. He was averaging 13-14 a game in his prime years... Now hes 34 years old and hes still averaged 10 a game over the first five games this year.

Also, Pierce is having his best rebounding year in a long time and he is fifth at his position in rebounding currently. Rondo is second at his position with 6 a game. Plus the Celtics are in the top half of the NBA in rebounding so far this year and that is without playing 2 games with Shaq and not a lot of minutes from JO... So i'd say rebounding as of now is one of their lesser issues.

I would have made a thread along the lines of, No Turnovers, More Wins.

Again, Bucks outrebounded the Celtics 53-50:

http://www.nba.com/games/20101103/MILBOS/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021000058#nbaGIboxscore

  Not really. It's more the case they retained possession after more shots because of things like balls going out of bounds after a shot or a foul is committed before anyone gains possessions. When JO blocked shots out of bounds, for instance, those were probably counted as Bucks rebounds. Team rebounds aren't rebounds, per se.

They do use them for calculating rebound rate.

  Is that universal? You generally see differences between a lot of the advanced stats between, for instance, ESPN and basketballreference.

[Fafnir]

How can you complain about rebounding in the Bucks game when the Celtics out-rebounded them? I don't really see how that makes any sense. Garnett's not the rebounder he once was, well obviously. He was averaging 13-14 a game in his prime years... Now hes 34 years old and hes still averaged 10 a game over the first five games this year.

Also, Pierce is having his best rebounding year in a long time and he is fifth at his position in rebounding currently. Rondo is second at his position with 6 a game. Plus the Celtics are in the top half of the NBA in rebounding so far this year and that is without playing 2 games with Shaq and not a lot of minutes from JO... So i'd say rebounding as of now is one of their lesser issues.

I would have made a thread along the lines of, No Turnovers, More Wins.

Again, Bucks outrebounded the Celtics 53-50:

http://www.nba.com/games/20101103/MILBOS/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021000058#nbaGIboxscore

  Not really. It's more the case they retained possession after more shots because of things like balls going out of bounds after a shot or a foul is committed before anyone gains possessions. When JO blocked shots out of bounds, for instance, those were probably counted as Bucks rebounds. Team rebounds aren't rebounds, per se.

They do use them for calculating rebound rate.

  Is that universal? You generally see differences between a lot of the advanced stats between, for instance, ESPN and basketballreference.

Hmm maybe they do maybe they don't. The formula's both say "team rebounds + opponent rebounds", same formula though.

I'd think they'd have to, since a ball that's been blocked and is heading out of bounds is in fact an "available rebound". I'll do some testing when I get home.

[Who]

Celtics are 6th in rebounding differential at +3.8 per game.

They should be there or thereabouts throughout most of the season. Once Perk comes back, their rebounding should improve some more.

This will be a much improved rebounding team with Shaq here instead of R.Wallace.

[BballTim]

I'd think they'd have to, since a ball that's been blocked and is heading out of bounds is in fact an "available rebound".

  If that's the case, it certainly explains why BBD was a good offensive rebounder last year...

[Q_FBE]

A large part of our rebounding problems have to with bad height and speed matchups that occur sometimes. Like last night, we had nobody to stop Bogut until KG showed up in the last three minutes of regulation.

Jermaine O'Neal and to a lesser extent Shaq and Semih Erden are supposed to help out here. Otherwise, they will have to figure out a boxing out scheme to compensate for lack of hieght and quickness.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

One simple fact, when you have to cover a guy like Bogut, you have to forget a lot of "Helping out" D...and stick with your man...and BOX HIM OUT...early and often, you put a body on him = no TIP INS, no easy living down there.....and don't tell me you don't box out in the NBA...that only tells me you don't, or haven't played ball ever, or you just don't understand basic D......especially on a big like him. Even Perk used to do it on Howard quite well...!

 
it would be nice to have a guy like Lasme there..a classic rebounder..!