Danny...Please waive Von Wafer

[LooseCannon]

So, here's how I feel about Von Wafer.

If you gave him an ultimatum and told him he's on his final chance and he's cut the next time he does something out of line, I would be willing to bet he does something that leads to him being waived before the end of the year.

Will it cause problems with the other players if it isn't made clear that Von Wafer is treading on thin ice and in danger of being replaced?

[kg is king]

Delonte was the cause of all this, not Von Wafer. Delonte is a loser if he sucker punched Von Wafer. I don't care if he's mentally ill or not. You can be mentally ill and still have enough class not to punch someone in the back.
Von Wafer needs to be given the benefit of the doubt. Look at Delonte's history.
I was glad to have Delonte at first but if he is this immature and emotional, and classless, he needs to be let go. He's just not worth it.

I agree, but not to your extreme lol. Delonte is a headcase throughout his whole career and I do feel like Boston is the best place for him to recover some of his lost image. I am a supporter for Delonte and wish the best for him. Therefore, I would hate to see him go. But I really do not understand why there is so much negativity on Wafer. Let's get this straight, DELONTE WAS THE INSTIGATOR! NOT WAFER!

I don't get why everyone is jumping on Wafer and assume he's the bad guy in this situation. I think everyone is playing the "I think Wafer is not as skillful as Delonte, so no matter what happens I am going to back Delonte up". This style of thinking is biased to say the least.

[clover]

Seems to me like they're both wrong in different ways.  Cutting Wafer right now might be too much of an enabling message to Delonte, whom they of course value more as a player.

[fairweatherfan]

I think this is what ultimately will happen - none of us know what really happened with West, but if Wafer's people did leak the fight report, then I'm sure Doc and Danny are VERY unhappy about it.  And his play has made him very expendable too.

But I don't think there's any way we do it until Delonte's back from suspension at the very least.  We're obviously going the Spurs route and resting our top guys, so depth is crucial.  Von'll stick around for at least the next few weeks. 

[screwedupmaniac]

Von Wafer is a punk...just look at his time in Houston as a solid indicator. I didn't like the idea of signing him when we first did, and I can't stand him now. the dude is a malcontent locker room distraction. if he doesn't get along well with west, get rid of wafer. west is the one with game.

[pearljammer10]

You mean Danny please waive DWest right? That would be the title of my thread.

[Andy Jick]

Per today's homepage here at CelticsBlog:

http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/10/30/1783702/more-notes-on-fight-gate

I find the quote, from the Boston Herald, quite interesting in that it appears the players did NOT want to keep Wafer on the team coming out of camp.

I'm not saying Delonte's not without blame...but I don't want a jerk on this team because it very well could become an issue down the road.

[mmbaby]

Von Wafer is a punk...just look at his time in Houston as a solid indicator. I didn't like the idea of signing him when we first did, and I can't stand him now. the dude is a malcontent locker room distraction. if he doesn't get along well with west, get rid of wafer. west is the one with game.

Look at what in Houston? Can you give some examples? I'm really curious because I googled and couldn't find anything.
As far as I can see, Von Wafer did nothing wrong. It was Delonte's crazy butt that caused all this.

[mmbaby]

Andy, that was written by Jeff Clark, us!
And reading it does not bring more facts to the situation.
Again, just what did Von Wafer do in Houston that was so bad?

[Andy Jick]

Andy, that was written by Jeff Clark, us!
And reading it does not bring more facts to the situation.
Again, just what did Von Wafer do in Houston that was so bad?

in the third shaded box, jeff is actually using a quote from a boston globe article.

regarding wafer's past, he had issues with with adelman in which he was told not to show up for a practice (i believe) and there was a contract renewal that houston decided to punt on due to a failed physical (and if memory serves me correctly that became an issue as well).

the bottom line is that i believe this guy is bad news, and i don't think his teammates really want him on the roster.  wouldn't surprise me if, while gathering information on what really happened, danny and doc were talking with the core guys on this roster for their opinions on wafer.

[GreenFaith1819]

Delonte was the cause of all this, not Von Wafer. Delonte is a loser if he sucker punched Von Wafer. I don't care if he's mentally ill or not. You can be mentally ill and still have enough class not to punch someone in the back.
Von Wafer needs to be given the benefit of the doubt. Look at Delonte's history.
I was glad to have Delonte at first but if he is this immature and emotional, and classless, he needs to be let go. He's just not worth it.

I agree, but not to your extreme lol. Delonte is a headcase throughout his whole career and I do feel like Boston is the best place for him to recover some of his lost image. I am a supporter for Delonte and wish the best for him. Therefore, I would hate to see him go. But I really do not understand why there is so much negativity on Wafer. Let's get this straight, DELONTE WAS THE INSTIGATOR! NOT WAFER!

I don't get why everyone is jumping on Wafer and assume he's the bad guy in this situation. I think everyone is playing the "I think Wafer is not as skillful as Delonte, so no matter what happens I am going to back Delonte up". This style of thinking is biased to say the least.

Kg is King - please be careful with the "Headcase" references. What Delonte West is suffering from is real.

Anytime that Ron Artest can give a "Shout Out" to his psychiatrist right after the Lakers won the championship last June lets me know that even he has to have some therapy.

Now - I know that Ron Ron and DWest's cases are somewhat different, but I bring in the comparison because both of them are dealing with issues obviously beyond their control.

Yes - on the surface - from what we know so far - DWest appears to be the instigator. But why would DWest take such a dislike to Wafer and no one else?

Like a few have mentioned, fights and disagreements occur all the time on NBA teams and very seldom do we hear about them.

This one leaked out, to Hoopsworld, for some reason. Got right past Danny and Doc. Wow. Makes you wonder.

[vinnie]

Andy, that was written by Jeff Clark, us!
And reading it does not bring more facts to the situation.
Again, just what did Von Wafer do in Houston that was so bad?

in the third shaded box, jeff is actually using a quote from a boston globe article.

regarding wafer's past, he had issues with with adelman in which he was told not to show up for a practice (i believe) and there was a contract renewal that houston decided to punt on due to a failed physical (and if memory serves me correctly that became an issue as well).

the bottom line is that i believe this guy is bad news, and i don't think his teammates really want him on the roster.  wouldn't surprise me if, while gathering information on what really happened, danny and doc were talking with the core guys on this roster for their opinions on wafer.

I have also read that he was not a great teammate when he played in Europe, Greece I think.

[cornbreadsmart]

     I'm glad we have Danny and Doc here. I trust they'll make the right decision. Danny was a hothead himself back in the day so I think he'll be able to tell if this is competitieness, or if West is dangerous.The Celts have all the info that we don't have.
     I'm not taking a side on this one because, again, I trust the right decision will be made.I'll say this though, striking somebody from behind is cowarly under any circumstances( not saying that happened) and being a rat is more dangerous than someone who is prone to getting into fights. You never can really trust someone again after they rat, or air someone elses business to make them look bad. THAT is some crazy,scary stuff.You gotta watch out for people like that(not saying that happened either).

[Bankshot]

Delonte was the cause of all this, not Von Wafer. Delonte is a loser if he sucker punched Von Wafer. I don't care if he's mentally ill or not. You can be mentally ill and still have enough class not to punch someone in the back.
Von Wafer needs to be given the benefit of the doubt. Look at Delonte's history.
I was glad to have Delonte at first but if he is this immature and emotional, and classless, he needs to be let go. He's just not worth it.

I agree, but not to your extreme lol. Delonte is a headcase throughout his whole career and I do feel like Boston is the best place for him to recover some of his lost image. I am a supporter for Delonte and wish the best for him. Therefore, I would hate to see him go. But I really do not understand why there is so much negativity on Wafer. Let's get this straight, DELONTE WAS THE INSTIGATOR! NOT WAFER!

I don't get why everyone is jumping on Wafer and assume he's the bad guy in this situation. I think everyone is playing the "I think Wafer is not as skillful as Delonte, so no matter what happens I am going to back Delonte up". This style of thinking is biased to say the least.

I agree.  It's ridiculous to want to release Wafer because Delonte acted like a punk. I understand why though.  Delonte can probably help the team more so people are siding with him no matter how wrong he was.  But if you want to keep Delonte regardless of what he did, just say so, but don't demonize Wafer.

[thirstyboots18]

Delonte was the cause of all this, not Von Wafer. Delonte is a loser if he sucker punched Von Wafer. I don't care if he's mentally ill or not. You can be mentally ill and still have enough class not to punch someone in the back.
Von Wafer needs to be given the benefit of the doubt. Look at Delonte's history.
I was glad to have Delonte at first but if he is this immature and emotional, and classless, he needs to be let go. He's just not worth it.

And you know all this how?